The Bible is Father-Centric not Christo-Centric

[Mindcruiser]

Where do you place the Holy Spirit in your personal belief ?

I found your source I think , but it said 2007 .

Father-Centric Christianity — THE SPIRIT OF YAHOWAH

www.yahowah.net

Yes, you found the source, although I may have put in the wrong date on it or this was a revised later edition. Thx..

That other part is easy...The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father himself. It's his design or composition. He is the Father of all spirits, and I mean all. So this feature of the Father is already built-in, he cannot separate himself from himself... There is only the Father and the Son reunion, so to speak...no extra person spirit hanging around..

 

[talons]

Yes, you found the source, although I may have put in the wrong date on it or this was a revised later edition. Thx..

You are welcome .

That other part is easy...The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father himself. It's his design or composition. He is the Father of all spirits, and I mean all. So this feature of the Father is already built-in, he cannot separate himself from himself... There is only the Father and the Son reunion, so to speak...no extra person spirit hanging around..

Is Jesus a "feature" of the Father also ?

What interaction do you have with the Holy Spirit ? Are you blessed with any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit ?

 

[Mindcruiser]

You are welcome .

Is Jesus a "feature" of the Father also ?

What interaction do you have with the Holy Spirit ? Are you blessed with any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit ?

I need to go to an appt with my wife...won't be back for at least 3 hrs.

I'll pick it up from where you left off here..

you have great questions...

later then...

 

[talons]

I need to go to an appt with my wife...won't be back for at least 3 hrs.

I'll pick it up from where you left off here..

you have great questions...

later then...

I must attend to things here too , exercise is one of them . TTYL

 

[Jericho]

My caution then for anyone mesmerized by Jesus actions, miracles and acts of selfless giving is know what is Christ's position in the big scheme of things, and to always acknowledge the power behind him, his Father God. And to necessarily always refocus, for the right perspective, onto the Father-Centric view of scripture, as it is designed by the same God.

How then would you reconcile Philippians 2:10-11? Quote:

"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father".

This scripture would only make sense within the context of God and Jesus being one. For to bow to anyone other than God would be blasphemous. Jesus is essentially a distinct manifestation of God, as is the Holy Spirit. The problem is we cannot fully comprehend their triune nature given our limited human grasp.

 

[ScottA]

The service of the 1st century church isn’t finished. It has, teaches, and preaches all of the promises which have been given. I’m in his service. I invite you, as I invite all, to it.

That sounds nice, but you have rejected the word of God which does not say that the best of Christian service was according to those of the 1st century, but that there is "A time for every purpose under heaven."

So be it. So shall it be written of you.

 

[Matthias]

That sounds nice

It‘s better than nice.

…. but you have rejected the word of God …

I haven’t gone beyond what is written. You have.

… which does not say that the best of Christian service was according to those of the 1st century, but that there is "A time for every purpose under heaven."

The two aren’t mutually exclusive. The purpose of the 1st century church is my purpose.

So be it. So shall it be written of you.

It doesn’t matter at all what you write about me.

Go your way. I’m not following you.

 

[ScottA]

The two aren’t mutually exclusive. The purpose of the 1st century church is my purpose.

Again, you reject that there is "A time for every purpose under heaven."

And your purpose--as it is written, is greatly flawed. How is it that you do not know that during those days Christ had "somewhat against" 5 out of 7 churches; and that as "there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction?"

But don't follow me--heaven forbid! But do actually follow Christ, and also what is actually written.

 

[Matthias]

Again, you reject that there is "A time for every purpose under heaven."

What I reject is your misuse of it to justify going further than what is written.

And your purpose--as it is written, is greatly flawed.

It’s the purpose of the 1st century church in the 21st century that you’re bucking against.

How is it that you do not know that during those days Christ had "somewhat against" 5 out of 7 churches; and that as "there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction?"

You’ve characteristically made a false assumption regarding what I know.

But don't follow me--heaven forbid!

I won’t follow anyone who has your attitude toward the 1st century church.

But do actually follow Christ, and also what is actually written.

I do actually follow the Messiah and what is actually written. It’s the devil who says that I’m not.

See again A.E. Harvey and the other trinitarian scholars whom I’ve quoted.

 

[ScottA]

What I reject is your misuse of it to justify going further than what is written.



It’s the purpose of the 1st century church in the 21st century that you’re bucking against.



You’ve characteristically made a false assumption regarding what I know.



I won’t follow anyone who has your attitude toward the 1st century church.



I do actually follow the Messiah and what is actually written. It’s the devil who says that I’m not.

See again A.E. Harvey and the other trinitarian scholars whom I’ve quoted.

No, but you will see. It is enough.

 

[Matthias]

No, but you will see. It is enough.

It isn’t over. I‘ll be vindicated by God and everyone will see it.

 

[AngelicArcher]

And, is there anymore to it than that? Have a great and beautiful day.

Yes.

All that exists for eternity and beyond.

 

[AngelicArcher]

It isn’t over. I‘ll be vindicated by God and everyone will see it.

That's some egocentric self gratification faith you've got going there.


What a shame.

 

[Matthias]

That's some egocentric self gratification faith you've got going there.

No. It’s confidence that the God who vindicated the Messiah will vindicate his disciples, of which I am one.

What a shame.

 

[Matthias]

What they should be saying is a shame -> the anathemas in the trinitarian creeds.

 

[AngelicArcher]

What they should be saying is a shame -> the anathemas in the trinitarian creeds.

The shame is abrogating God telling us he is One. And besides him there is no Savior.

 

[Matthias]

The shame is abrogating God telling us he is One. And besides him there is no Savior.

Jewish monotheism doesn’t abrogate that.

Why are you not ashamed of the anathemas in your creeds?

 

[AngelicArcher]

Jewish monotheism doesn’t do that.

Why are you not ashamed of the anathemas in your creeds?

Cute.

 

[Matthias]

Cute.

Serious.

 

[bdavidc]

Why did you waste your and my time with this form of drawn-out confession of faith of the popular pagan religious system you idolize? I know of it quite well. I do not need a re-run of it. You do not see a one person, and personal Father God in scripture, and there lies the real issue and rub.

So, I will not address your text because you are at the point of believing I now require another salvific repentance act, this time for your god or gods of three persons. No thank you.

You know the only reason why you can legally call your god and your practice of it monotheism, is because of the 'common one substance' clause invented to gel or unify the Triune theory of a non-descript god together. That is why your god will always be an 'it' a 'what' and never a personal 'who' or him. I think you can figure this out with some research.
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So you think you truly know scripture?

You speak boldly, but I urge you to tread carefully when speaking of the living God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You will one day answer to Him, and I would caution you strongly against calling Him a "pagan god." That is not only deeply irreverent, but a fearful accusation against the Holy One who has revealed Himself in His Word.

You accuse me of presenting a pagan system, yet it is not I who invented the truth of who God is. The Scriptures testify plainly of the unity and complexity of God's nature. From the very beginning, we see God speaking in plurality: “Let Us make man in Our image” (Genesis 1:26). Jesus Himself declared, “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58), directly identifying Himself with the eternal name God gave to Moses in Exodus 3:14. Thomas, a Jew who would never call a man "God," looked upon the risen Christ and said, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28), and Jesus did not correct him. The apostle Paul says plainly, “In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9), and that Jesus is “God over all, blessed forever” (Romans 9:5).

You claim to know Scripture, but Scripture itself warns that not all who read it will understand it rightly: “The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him” (1 Corinthians 2:14). “Always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth” (2 Timothy 3:7). Jesus said of such people, “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about Me” (John 5:39). Yet still, many refuse to come to Him and live.

You say our God is a "what" and not a "who," but I say plainly: He is the living, personal God—Father, Son, and Spirit—eternal in glory and one in essence. He is not an invention of men but the Creator of all, and His Word stands forever. I do not ask you to repent for a system or a theory—I call you to bow to the Lord Jesus Christ, whom the Father has exalted and given the name above every name (Philippians 2:9–11). If you truly knew the Scriptures, you would recognize Him.

Yes, I do know the bible and I also know when I am hearing from a false teacher.

At this point, it’s obvious you’re not here for real discussion and your goal isn't truth-seeking but creating conflict through argumentation. I understand from our previous posts that you won't accept answers even though I could provide them. No amount of Scripture or reasoning is going to change that. The Bible clearly shows that individuals who turn away from truth fail to comprehend it. As it is written, “The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: The natural man sees God's things as foolishness because he cannot understand them since they require spiritual discernment (1 Corinthians 2:14). In their endless pursuit of knowledge they fail to grasp the truth as stated in 2 Timothy 3:7. Your heart has become hardened as the scriptures state: “Having eyes you fail to see?” and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?” (Mark 8: The people's hearts have grown gross while their ears became dull and their eyes remained shut as stated in Matthew 13:15. Before God you stand accountable as I do and we must both give an account of our actions regarding the truth. Belief is a personal choice, you can believe whatever you want.

I’ve spoken the truth according to God’s Word, and I will not continue arguing with someone who mocks the living God—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You will answer to Him, not to me. “Do not be deceived: God is not mocked.” (Galatians 6:7)

At this point, continuing this conversation would be casting pearls before swine (Matthew 7:6), and I will not do that. I pray your eyes are opened before it’s too late. I’m done here. May God have mercy on you.