The answer of Moses & Elijah...

[face2face]

@Earburner

Check out Romans 11:8 cmp Romans 11:25

What do you see?

 

[Earburner]

For others reading this... you will note how ScottA is hanging all of his beliefs on Matthew 11:14, which ironically is Jesus trying to get the people to listen not said mockingly but ironically!

Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah, who is to come. 11:15 The one who has ears had better listen!

Two points

1. Accept John as Elijah and allow him to prepare your hearts to accept me or perish! (no other opportunity once you are dead!)
2. John is Elijah "who is to come"...Christ acknowledges a second messenger!

Very easy to interpret, if you have ears to hear.

F2F

"Church-ianity".....we have a problem!
The KJV states Matthew 11:14-15 this way:
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven [both John and Jesus] suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
[15] He that hath ears to hear, let him hear [the KJV].

 

[BeyondET]

"Church-ianity".....we have a problem!
The KJV states Matthew 11:14-15 this way:
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven [both John and Jesus] suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
[15] He that hath ears to hear, let him hear [the KJV].

What Bible has [ both John and Jesus] stated as such in Matthew 11:12?

 

[Earburner]

@Earburner

Check out Romans 11:8 cmp Romans 11:25

What do you see?

I see it, but you really don't!!
Are there not a remnant of Jews being converted to Christ out of every generation, since Pentecost?
Pentecost IS Joel 3:14 BEING FULFILLED, simply known as "the valley of decision", aka this present Age of God's GRACE.....TO ALL.

Try not to let "church-ianity" cause you to lie to yourself. It is THE generator of all the denominationally flavored Bible versions.

 

[BeyondET]

I see it, but you really don't!!
Are there not a remnant of Jews being converted to Christ out of every generation, since Pentecost?
Pentecost IS Joel 3:14 BEING FULFILLED, simply known as "the valley of decision", aka this present Age of God's GRACE.....TO ALL.

Try not let "church-inanity" cause you to lie to yourself. It is THE generator of all the denominationally flavored Bible versions.

As well the valley of Jehoshaphat; decisions the judgment no one knows the age of that.

 

[Earburner]

What Bible has [ both John and Jesus] stated as such in Matthew 11:12?

The "Two Anointed ones"* were both taken by force.
John-beheaded and Jesus Crucified.
* KJV Zechariah 4[12] And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil** out of themselves? [aka the Holy Spirit].
[13] And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

[14] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand [H5975-fast, firm] by the LORD of the whole earth.
** Note: see Matthew 25:1-12 about "oil", which is symbolic for the "anointing" of the Holy Spirit.
Of all people who have lived, only John and Jesus were physically born WITH the Holy Spirit.

 

[Earburner]

As well the valley of Jehoshaphat; decisions the judgment no one knows the age of that.

Sorry, it appears that church-ianity got the best of you. I can't help you, "go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourself". Matthew 25:9

 

[BeyondET]

The "Two Anointed ones"* were both taken by force.
John-beheaded and Jesus Crucified.
* KJV Zechariah 4[12] And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil** out of themselves? [aka the Holy Spirit].
[13] And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

[14] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand [H5975-fast, firm] by the LORD of the whole earth.
** Note: see Matthew 25:1-12 about "oil", which is symbolic for the "anointing" of the Holy Spirit.
Of all people who have lived, only John and Jesus were physically born WITH the Holy Spirit.

John said the kingdom is near, it's about One, and there's nothing wrong with making a comments on the verse but implying the concept into the verse isn't wise.

 

[BeyondET]

Sorry, it appears that church-ianity got the best of you. I can't help you, "go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourself". Matthew 25:9

Your not letting scripture tell the whole story your coming up with your own.

Joel 3:2
2 I will gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will execute judgment upon them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations: and they have parted my land,

12 Let the nations bestir themselves, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat; for there will I sit to judge all the nations round about.

 

[face2face]

I see it, but you really don't!!
Are there not a remnant of Jews being converted to Christ out of every generation, since Pentecost?
Pentecost IS Joel 3:14 BEING FULFILLED, simply known as "the valley of decision", aka this present Age of God's GRACE.....TO ALL.

Try not to let "church-ianity" cause you to lie to yourself. It is THE generator of all the denominationally flavored Bible versions.

All good, you dont see it otherwise you would have stated it clearly in line with the prophecies already mentioned. It's an event we are discussing but you have something else in mind.

 

[face2face]

Your not letting scripture tell the whole story your coming up with your own.

Joel 3:2
2 I will gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will execute judgment upon them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations: and they have parted my land,

12 Let the nations bestir themselves, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat; for there will I sit to judge all the nations round about.

You however, can see the event.
Most Christians dont allow the prophecy to speak for itself. I am yet to deal with Armegeddon - I am sure we will get to it eventually.

 

[BeyondET]

Sorry, it appears that church-ianity got the best of you. I can't help you, "go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourself". Matthew 25:9

I don't recall asking for any oil, what's the verse got to do with the price of eggs?

 

[quietthinker]

The answer of Moses & Elijah...
Moses told Pharaoh he wasn't the boss after being a shepherd for 40yrs....in the desert.....try raising sheep in the desert!
Elijah was bold and murderous but ran for his life when a woman had it in for him.....that's what PTSD does for you...
....yet
both where translated to heaven and later seen talking to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration
....kinda throws a spanner in the theories of how to get to heaven!

 

[Earburner]

Your not letting scripture tell the whole story your coming up with your own.

Joel 3:2
2 I will gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will execute judgment upon them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations: and they have parted my land,

12 Let the nations bestir themselves, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat; for there will I sit to judge all the nations round about.

God's judgment of Eternal Life was for to negate His judgment of eternal death through having faith in Jesus. The judgment in the valley of Jehoshaphat is John 3:18.
God the Father came to Israel through the persons of John the Baptist, in the spirit (manner) of Elijah, and through Jesus, the eternal Son of God, the Messiah.
John was the witness of who God the Son is, and Jesus was the witness of who God the Father is.
Deuteronomy 19:15.....at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Both witnesses were rejected and killed by Israel. It was a physical joint ministry for 1260 days.
John's ministry lasted six months, and Jesus' ministry lasted for three years, all totaling to 3.5 years. Revelation 11:3

Jesus said it of John, and yes, His words are spirit.

Question is...why don't you and many count and receive what Jesus said?

Yes, why don't they??
John 1[51] And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

 

[Earburner]

John said the kingdom is near, it's about One, and there's nothing wrong with making a comments on the verse but implying the concept into the verse isn't wise.

No, KJV-Joel 3:14 says this:[14] Multitudes, multitudes IN the valley of decision: for the [terrible] day of the LORD is near [at any time] IN [during] the valley of decision [the age of Pentecost- God's Grace].

Matthew 24[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Romans 9[28] For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

 

[Earburner]

I don't recall asking for any oil, what's the verse got to do with the price of eggs?

Luke 11:13, Romans 8:9, Revelation 3:20.

 

[Earburner]

You however, can see the event.
Most Christians dont allow the prophecy to speak for itself. I am yet to deal with Armegeddon - I am sure we will get to it eventually.

He sees the event according to the wisdom of men, aka church-ianity. 1 Corinthians 2:5.
Armageddon is Gog and Magog, and ARE the same event, told using two different references.

 

[BeyondET]

Luke 11:13, Romans 8:9, Revelation 3:20.

That has nothing to do with implying that i originally ask you for oil.

 

[BeyondET]

No, KJV-Joel 3:14 says this:[14] Multitudes, multitudes IN the valley of decision: for the [terrible] day of the LORD is near [at any time] IN [during] the valley of decision [the age of Pentecost- God's Grace].

Matthew 24[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Romans 9[28] For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

You adding alot to scripture, verse 14 does not say all that you have added to the verse.

 

[Earburner]

No he did not because Malachi 4:5 is left unfulfilled sorry!
The work of restoring all things with Israel is a future work not yet started.
Be patient it will happen!
F2F

Wake up!
Its not about physical Israel, but rather spiritual Israel of faith, which is all who had/have faith in the Messiah who was to come/did come, and is STILL COMING to us without observation, until he comes again in all His visible, Immortal Glory from Heaven.
Count the "comings", and you will see that pharisaical church-ianity has it totally messed up.
Is it any wonder why there is so much confusion and contention over the words of the prophets, and WHEN they were to be fulfilled?
Pharisaical church-ianity can only see two comings, when all the while, there are THREE comings of the Lord.
1. In the flesh-past.
2. In the Spirit-present.
3. In immortality-future.