The answer of Moses & Elijah...

[face2face]

Well I need to give some credit to @Enoch111 who opened the door on this question for which now I will give an answer.

It is true that Moses and Elijah represent the Law and the Prophets focusing in on what the Lord Jesus Christ is about to accomplish as per Mark 9:4

It was more than just a death the Lord was to experience! His decease held more import to Moses and Elijah than we could ever imagine!

One commonality that all three had was God's manifestations in the high mountain, as per Exodus 34:4-8 and 1 Kings 19:9-12

But this in not what they all had in common, which was cause for them being hand picked by God in the Mountain to strengthen Christ!

In Luke 9:31, which Enoch took us to, we have the word "exodus" and this is the work which all three have in common!

It's all about their EXODUS!

Moses:

Led the first Exodus - Psalms 77:20 (past)

Elijah:

will led the second exodus - Malachi 4:5 (future)

The Lord Jesus Christ:

led the greatest exodus of all time - Luke 9:31 & Ephesians 4:8 (present)

Moses in speaking to Christ explained how Israel (those faithful dead and buried) and their hope was 100% reliant on Christ fulfilling his mission to crucify the flesh and take those who have been in slavery all their lives into his resurrection and glory.

Elijah has unfinished work to bring Israel into the New Covenant, not without great judgements and suffering. His future work will be all about turning hearts toward God and the Lord Jesus Christ. His work could not be done without the Lord's sacrifice!

Jesus exodus is here: Ephesians 4:8 & Hebrews 2:15 (and many more verses!)

Moses exodus revealed a nation being baptised through a parted sea! 1 Corinthians 10:2
Christ exodus revealed in his own life the true baptism both in life and in death Luke 12:50
Elijah's future work will be to bring refined Israel into this baptism. Mark 9:12 & Elijah’s work will be a total success after the rebels are purged Ezekiel 20:35-38. You will recall John only turned the hearts of “many” Luke 1:16-17 but the work through Elijah will restore "all things"

Moses and Elijah encouraging Jesus Christ to take those who are captive into the captivity of his own life.

No greater work could be done than on that Mount encouraging the Lord to press on toward his crucifixion.

Moses & Elijah's very salvation depended on it!

Thanks all for participating in this study!

God bless
F2F

 

[face2face]

The great plan and purpose of God has long been the exodus of His People both Jew and Gentile. It was prophesied by Joseph in Hebrews 11:22

By faith Joseph, at the end of his life, mentioned the exodus of the sons of Israel and gave instructions about his burial.

Joseph’s prophecy about the exodus of the sons of Israel is found in Genesis 50:24

I hope having been enlightened to the work of Moses, Elijah & Jesus in bringing this great exodus of God's People to salvation we can some finer detail into God's plan (Kingdom on Earth) with His People and our involvement in their education as per Jeremiah 3.

First through Moses
Then in the Lord Jesus Christ a son of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob
And finally revealed through Elijah in the last days

To learn more on this work of Elijah and the Saints see here I will send my messenger

F2F

 

[BeyondET]

Well I need to give some credit to @Enoch111 who opened the door on this question for which now I will give an answer.

It is true that Moses and Elijah represent the Law and the Prophets focusing in on what the Lord Jesus Christ is about to accomplish as per Mark 9:4

It was more than just a death the Lord was to experience! His decease held more import to Moses and Elijah than we could ever imagine!

One commonality that all three had was God's manifestations in the high mountain, as per Exodus 34:4-8 and 1 Kings 19:9-12

But this in not what they all had in common, which was cause for them being hand picked by God in the Mountain to strengthen Christ!

In Luke 9:31, which Enoch took us to, we have the word "exodus" and this is the work which all three have in common!

It's all about their EXODUS!

Moses:

Led the first Exodus - Psalms 77:20 (past)

Elijah:

will led the second exodus - Malachi 4:5 (future)

The Lord Jesus Christ:

led the greatest exodus of all time - Luke 9:31 & Ephesians 4:8 (present)

Moses in speaking to Christ explained how Israel (those faithful dead and buried) and their hope was 100% reliant on Christ fulfilling his mission to crucify the flesh and take those who have been in slavery all their lives into his resurrection and glory.

Elijah has unfinished work to bring Israel into the New Covenant, not without great judgements and suffering. His future work will be all about turning hearts toward God and the Lord Jesus Christ. His work could not be done without the Lord's sacrifice!

Jesus exodus is here: Ephesians 4:8 & Hebrews 2:15 (and many more verses!)

Moses exodus revealed a nation being baptised through a parted sea! 1 Corinthians 10:2
Christ exodus revealed in his own life the true baptism both in life and in death Luke 12:50
Elijah's future work will be to bring refined Israel into this baptism. Mark 9:12 & Elijah’s work will be a total success after the rebels are purged Ezekiel 20:35-38. You will recall John only turned the hearts of “many” Luke 1:16-17 but the work through Elijah will restore "all things"

Moses and Elijah encouraging Jesus Christ to take those who are captive into the captivity of his own life.

No greater work could be done than on that Mount encouraging the Lord to press on toward his crucifixion.

Moses & Elijah's very salvation depended on it!

Thanks all for participating in this study!

God bless
F2F

Nice read, seems there was many reasons of the appearance, some were saying Jesus was Elijah or one of the prophet of old Moses represents. So probably the disciple was a witness that He wasn't either.

Mark 6:15
15 But others said, It is Elijah. And others said, [It is] a prophet, [even] as one of the prophets.

 

[BeyondET]

And may have switched places sort of, John the Baptist

Luke 1:17

 

[face2face]

And may have switched places sort of, John the Baptist

Luke 1:17

Also note that John the Baptist was adamant he was not Elijah. His work was yet to come i.e. second advent of the Lord.

 

[BeyondET]

Also note that John the Baptist was adamant he was not Elijah. His work was yet to come i.e. second advent of the Lord.

That's a good point about what John was saying, another reason for the mountain visit

Matthew 17
11Jesus replied, “Elijah does indeed come, and he will restore all things. 12But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him whatever they wished. In the same way, the Son of Man will suffer at their hands.”

13Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist.

 

[face2face]

That's a good point about what John was saying, another reason for the mountain visit

Matthew 17
11Jesus replied, “Elijah does indeed come, and he will restore all things. 12But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him whatever they wished. In the same way, the Son of Man will suffer at their hands.”

13Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist.

Correct - also see Luke 1:17 "in the Spirit of Elijah"....not Elijah himself.

It was very clever of God to provide another messenger to prepare the way which obviously caught Israel off guard. Unfortunately next time it will be the Christian who is caught sleeping.

 

[face2face]

For example any community (such as the JW's) who believe God has abandoned His People Israel wont have a hope of being involved in the ends times unless they repent of their false teachings.

It's a real warning for all who claim to know God and His Plan.

F2F

 

[BeyondET]

Correct - also see Luke 1:17 "in the Spirit of Elijah"....not Elijah himself.

It was very clever of God to provide another messenger to prepare the way which obviously caught Israel off guard. Unfortunately next time it will be the Christian who is caught sleeping.

But let's say he was are you willing to accept it?

 

[face2face]

But let's say he was are you willing to accept it?

No, John the Baptist denies emphatically John 1:19 John 1:20 John 1:21 John 1:22 John 1:23 because he understood his preparing the way for Christ was not the same as Elijahs work in preparing Israel for Christs second coming.

John was the voice of Isaiah 40 not the messenger of Malachi 4:5

Also Christ first coming wasn't the great and terrible day!

 

[BeyondET]

No, John the Baptist denies emphatically John 1:19 John 1:20 John 1:21 John 1:22 John 1:23 because he understood his preparing the way for Christ was not the same as Elijahs work in preparing Israel for Christs second coming.

John was the voice of Isaiah 40 not the messenger of Malachi 4:5

Also Christ first coming wasn't the great and terrible day!

Well Matthew 11 Jesus speaks about the willingness to accept John is the Elijah how do you interpret what is being said in Matthew.

Matthew 11
13For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

 

[face2face]

Well Matthew 11 Jesus speaks about the willingness to accept it John is Elijah how do you interpret what being said in Matthew.

Matthew 11
13For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

Jesus is saying, for your generation Elijah (in Spirit) has come - if you accept him and his message you have an opportunity of salvation otherwise reject him as you will reject me and you lose it!

What you must remember also is John was "last" of the prophets in a long line of warning prophets sent to Israel to repent.

Both advents will have a prophet to prepare the way

1st John the Baptist (Jews reject the messenger but the Gentiles accept the messenger of the covenant (Jesus))
2nd Elijah (Jews accept messenger and Jesus though most Christians will reject Christ at his second coming)

The plan is well underway.

F2F

 

[BeyondET]

About the great and terrible day probably is for those who experience it, on a cross dark clouds above last breath.

 

[face2face]

About the great and terrible day probably is for those who experience it, on a cross dark clouds above last breath.

That's speaking of a future time of great judgement on Jew and Gentile. Revelation 1:10 calls it the Lord's day where he will judge the world in righteousness. This is after the resurrection when the Lord and His Saints begin the process of subjugating the earth. It will be great and terrible especially for those who are not prepared for him.

 

[Earburner]

Since this thread seems to be a series of threads by "face2face", I will re-post my conclusion from "Who can give an answer?"
1. 500 years+/- had passed upto Jesus' first appearance.

2. Making images of people was against the 2nd commandment, therefore the three disciples had no visual memory of what Moses or Elijah looked like.

3. Malachi 3:16 explains that those who died, and were of faith from out of Israel, had their names written in "a book of Remembrance" before God. All of such were still waiting for "The Promise" of Eternal Life. They are figuratively seen in Revelation 6:9-11.

4. It would have been impossible for Moses and Elijah to appear alive, because no one could be living after death until after Jesus' first resurrection. Only He is the firstborn from the dead.

5. Jesus said in John.1[51] And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

My conclusion: in the transfiguration of Jesus, the disciples saw two angels talking with Jesus.

 

[ScottA]

Elijah:

will led the second exodus - Malachi 4:5 (future)

So...(rhetorical question)...Did Elijah show up at the transfiguration?

Second (rhetorical) question: What was that to be a sign of??

Third (rhetorical) question: Why would anyone still be waiting for him to show up???​

 

[face2face]

So...(rhetorical question)...Did Elijah show up at the transfiguration?

Second (rhetorical) question: What was that to be a sign of??

Third (rhetorical) question: Why would anyone still be waiting for him to show up???​

1st Elijah was raised to strengthen Christ so yes!
2nd Elijah will led the second exodus of Israel through the wilderness of the peoples - refine, purge and deliver!
3rd God has promised it! - whether you are looking or not, changes nothing concerning what He will do in the earth.

 

[face2face]

4. It would have been impossible for Moses and Elijah to appear alive, because no one could be living after death until after Jesus' first resurrection. Only He is the firstborn from the dead.

No it's possible for God to raise a person for this purpose only to return them to the ground to await the resurrection, judgement and putting on of immortality.

What's not possible as you say is to make Moses and Elijah the firstfruits of them that sleep as we know who is! 1 Corinthians 15:20

 

[Earburner]

No it's possible for God to raise a person for this purpose only to return them to the ground to await the resurrection, judgement and putting on of immortality.

What's not possible as you say is to make Moses and Elijah the firstfruits of them that sleep as we know who is! 1 Corinthians 15:20

Incorrect on your first thought.
Correct on your second thought.
Therefore, the disciples did not see Moses and Elijah! They saw angels, as Jesus said they would, when they were allowed to see heaven briefly opened.

 

[face2face]

Incorrect on your first thought.
Correct on your second thought.
Therefore, the disciples did not see Moses and Elijah! They saw angels, as Jesus said they would, when they were allowed to see heaven briefly opened.

The significance of Moses and Elijah has already been proven from the record. It you want to believe they were angels that's fine by me...the exodus theme is to compelling for me to consider otherwise.