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True revelations from God that are not mentioned in Scripture, some of which pertain to what is mentioned in Scripture, exist. Why would those revelations from God be of "lower authority and consideration" as you say?

Look I have already answered your questions....and I do not like repeating myself.

I didn't say that she did, but rather I said, "So, according to you, Mary Magdalene, whom you rightly declared to be the second-greatest woman disciple of JesusGod and teacher Who stressed the importance of repentance and forgivenessdidn't repent and seek forgiveness from Him... all because her moment of conversion isn't explicitly made known in Scripture. At this point in our discussion, on your end of it, it seems reason has gone out the window."

Did this happen on the flying saucer?

My refutation: "You said that it would've been "completely out of character" for Mary Magdalene to have been the repentant woman in Lk. 7:36-50. So, explain why you say that Mary Magdalene, who was healed by Jesus from seven demons (Lk. 8:2, Mk. 16:9), and who you rightly say was the second greatest woman disciple, couldn't have been the woman, a well-known sinner (Lk. 7:39), repenting of her sins, and seeking forgiveness from Jesus in the house of Simon the Pharisee? (Lk. 7:36-50)"

None of these scripture identify Mary Magdalene as the person involved....I do not like repeating myself. If you want to debate me pick a different topic I am done with this one.

Here is a new topic for you.
As far as anointing goes, find out how many women anointed Christ. What does anointing mean? What is the significance of women anointing Christ?
 

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If you want to debate me pick a different topic I am done with this one.

You've said that before, but since I'm not done with this topic, I replied to other remarks that you made. You chose to reply to me, and since I'm still not done with this topic, these are my replies to you. If you don't want to engage on this topic, then you shouldn't reply, but I do want to, so I will leave you with the following, in case you decide to re-engage.

Look I have already answered your questions....

Which ones? Because, for example, you haven't answered this one: "[...] but true revelations from God that are not mentioned in Scripture, some of which pertain to what is mentioned in Scripture, exist as well. Why would those revelations from God be of "lower authority and consideration" as you have said?"

Did this happen on the flying saucer?

Is that your way of denying that Jesus stressed the importance of repentance and forgiveness?

None of these scripture identify Mary Magdalene as the person involved....

I don't appreciate the misrepresentation of my post that you're referring to. In actuality, I was quoting myself where I asked you to explain why Mary Magdalene couldn't have been the repentant woman in the house of Simon the Pharisee.
 
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Which ones? Because you haven't answered this one: "[...] but true revelations from God that are not mentioned in Scripture, some of which pertain to what is mentioned in Scripture, exist as well. Why would those revelations from God be of "lower authority and consideration" as you say?"

Flying saucers are not mentioned in the Bible.....so why is it not true that Yeshua ascended to the Father in a flying saucer. No why to verify that a revelation is true.

I don't appreciate the misrepresentation of my post that you're referring to. In actuality, I was quoting myself where I asked you to explain why Mary Magdalene couldn't have been the repentant woman in the house of Simon the Pharisee.

Like I said I am done with this topic.
And again none of the scriptures you posted point to Mary.
Nothing in her character that would suggest that she is the prostitute.
I am not going to reply to this topic anymore.
God Bless and Be Good and Do Good.
 

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Like I said I am done with this topic.
I am not going to reply to this topic anymore.

Like I told you time before last, you've said that before, but since I'm not done with this topic, I replied to other remarks that you made. You chose to reply to me, and since I'm still not done with this topic, these are my replies to you. If you don't want to engage on this topic, then you shouldn't reply, but I do want to, so I will leave you with the following, in case you decide to re-engage.

Flying saucers are not mentioned in the Bible.....so why is it not true that Yeshua ascended to the Father in a flying saucer. No way to verify that a revelation is true.

It's a fact that Scripture doesn't consist of all there is to know, much less all the details surrounding what is known in Scripture, and thus there are truths not mentioned in Scripture. So, since true revelations from God that are not mentioned in Scripture, some of which pertain to what is mentioned in Scripture, exist as well, do you really think that God can't make His revelations verifiable? If so, why?

And again none of the scriptures you posted point to Mary.
Nothing in her character that would suggest that she is the prostitute.

It's important to note that there are personal gestures, which are repeated and are peculiar to a person like the person’s style. They are unmistakable gestures. The following are two distinct scenes where the woman in each scene honored Jesus by means of the same gesture.
  • The Repentant Woman in the House of Simon the Pharisee
"A woman in the city who was a sinner, when she knew that he was reclining in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster jar of ointment. Standing behind at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears, and she wiped them with the hair of her head, kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment." (Lk. 7:36-50)

  • Mary of Bethany
"Then six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, who had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. So they made him a supper there. Martha served, but Lazarus was one of those who sat at the table with him. Therefore Mary took a pound of ointment of pure nard, very precious, and anointed Jesus’s feet and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the ointment." (Jn. 12:1-3)

"While he was at Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at the table, a woman came having an alabaster jar of ointment of pure nard—very costly. She broke the jar, and poured it over his head." "Most certainly I tell you, wherever this Good News may be preached throughout the whole world, that which this woman has done will also be spoken of for a memorial of her.” (Mk. 14:3;9)

"Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, a woman came to him having an alabaster jar of very expensive ointment, and she poured it on his head as he sat at the table.' "Most certainly I tell you, wherever this Good News is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be spoken of as a memorial of her.” (Matt. 26:6-7;13)

Based on the Evangelist accounts above, can you still really reasonably say that Mary Magdalene—a woman healed by Jesus from seven demons, and who, by your own admission, became the second-greatest woman disciple—and the repentant woman in the house of Simon the Pharisee and Mary of Bethany—both of whom were well-known sinners, and honored Jesus by means of the same gesture using their hair, with the gesture made in Bethany being memorialized by Jesus—couldn't have been the same woman?

Additionally, based on the account of Maria Valtorta, another true spokesperson of God, she confirms that Mary Magdalene, the repentant woman in the house of Simon the Pharisee, and Mary, the sister of Lazarus and Martha of Bethany, were the same person. Their father, Theophilus, a Syrian, was the governor of Antioch, and faithful servant of Caesar, and their mother was Eucheria. Mary was a well-known prostitute, even among the Romans in Israel, and thus the disgrace of her family. By extension, her family was affected. They couldn't go among people without having to put up with their mockery, including from the Pharisees and scribes, and Martha never married, because no one married the sister of a prostitute. Mary's conversion was a process, rather than an event. I highly recommend reading A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on the proofs, and The Story of Mary Magdalene (extracts from The Poem of the Man-God).

God Bless and Be Good and Do Good.

My thanks to you and likewise.
 
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It's a fact that Scripture doesn't consist of all there is to know, much less all the details surrounding what is known in Scripture. Therefore, there are truths not mentioned in Scripture. So, I'm back to saying that true revelations from God that are not mentioned in Scripture, some of which pertain to what is mentioned in Scripture, exist as well. Do you really think that God can't make it verifiable that revelations that come from Him are true? And, if you think that God can, do you think it would be enough for some people, considering, for example, that Jesus made it verifiable that He's God, and still disbelief wasn't and isn't found lacking?

I believe in tongues and in revelations. And I consider them for their merit but not as scripture. And again you are making me repeat myself.....cannot verify revelation....tongues on the other hand are more reliable.
 

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I believe in tongues and in revelations. And I consider them for their merit but not as scripture. And again you are making me repeat myself.....cannot verify revelation....tongues on the other hand are more reliable.

Do you really believe that God can't make His revelations verifiable? If so, why?
 
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God can't make it verifiable that the revelations that come from Him are true?

God can make revelations that come from Him and are true. But revelations cannot be verified, you do not know which ones are true. So you consider them for what they are worth....Thousands of people come up with revelations....Some from visions and some say from the Holy Spirit. No way to keep up with them.....Do not make me repeat myself.
 

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So, you don't believe that God can make His revelations verifiable then. Don't be of little faith! God made it verifiable that Maria Valtorta was truly His spokesman. I highly recommend reading A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on the proofs.

Faith in people and faith in God is not the same. If God appears to me and tells me a revelation I get it.
If God appears to you and ten's of thousands of other people about different vision there is no way to verify that. You take it for what it is worth...consider the possiblity, but it not going to change foundational beliefs. Now this topic is closed because I am not going to keep repeating myself.
 

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I'm not surprised, because people can and do find reason to bring anything into question.
I think I read someone that these verses aren't in the oldest manuscripts we have on hand.

Another thought is that they were removed by the early church fathers because it seemed to allow adultery to go unpunished.
 

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Now this topic is closed because I am not going to keep repeating myself.

You may be done discussing this topic, but since I'm not, these are my replies to you, in case you decide to re-engage.

Faith in people and faith in God is not the same.

I did't say that faith in people and faith in God are the same, because they aren't—though both involve trust and belief—but rather, "Don't be of little faith!".

If God appears to me and tells me a revelation I get it.
If God appears to you and ten's of thousands of other people about different vision there is no way to verify that. You take it for what it is worth...consider the possiblity, but it not going to change foundational beliefs.

I didn't recommend that you verify alleged revelations from God given to "tens of thousands" of people, but rather that you read the proofs regarding one spokesperson of God, specifically Maria Valtorta. Do you want to do that?
 

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I think I read someone that these verses aren't in the oldest manuscripts we have on hand.

Another thought is that they were removed by the early church fathers because it seemed to allow adultery to go unpunished.

People never cease to amaze me. I once talked to a Christian who believes that angels, not Jesus, performed miracles, and that Jesus made it look like He did.
 

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Additionally, based on the account of Maria Valtorta, another true spokesperson of God, she confirms that the repentant woman in the house of Simon the Pharisee, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the sister of Lazarus and Martha of Bethany, were the same person. Their father, Theophilus, a Syrian, was the governor of Antioch, and faithful servant of Caesar, and their mother was Eucheria. Mary was a well-known prostitute, even among the Romans in Israel, and thus the disgrace of her family. By extension, her family was affected. They couldn't go among people without having to put up with their mockery, including from the Pharisees and scribes, and Martha never married, because no one married the sister of a prostitute. Mary's conversion was a process, rather than an event. I highly recommend reading A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on the proofs, and The Story of Mary Magdalene (extracts from The Poem of the Man-God).
Sorry but MAry of Bethany and Mary of Magdala are two different Mary's.

Also Maria Valtarta spouts the Roman line about Mary- Jesus human mother.

She is not ever virgin, she is not conceived without sin, she was not kept from sin by a special grace, She is not the Mother of God, She is not the Queen of heaven. Her adoration of Mary is enough to know, she may have many truths in her extraordinary lengthy work, but many parts are not from God.
 

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Sorry but MAry of Bethany and Mary of Magdala are two different Mary's.

I replied to that here.

All that these give credence to is that the origins are supernatural. Whether God or devil is the issue

Well, at least we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin. And, the fact that you reached that conclusion is because of the Holy Spirit and your good will. So, praise God, stay humble, keep the faith and good will. :)

Also Maria Valtarta spouts the Roman line about Mary- Jesus human mother.

She is not ever virgin, she is not conceived without sin, she was not kept from sin by a special grace, She is not the Mother of God, She is not the Queen of heaven. Her adoration of Mary is enough to know, she may have many truths in her extraordinary lengthy work, but many parts are not from God.

Regarding the Virgin Mary, do you consider that what Maria Valtorta wrote about Her could be the Truth? Because we agree that her writings have a supernatural origin, though whether it is God's Work or Satan's work, you're still undecided. Well, to help figure that out, let's use what you read about the Virgin Mary (none of which places Her above God) and our reason. Why would Satan speak about the Virgin Mary in such a way? He hated Her Son to the point of killing Him, so how much more would he hate Her for bringing Him into the world? And, Satan wants to lead people away from God, and Mary wants to help lead people to God, and thus, wouldn't it be more fitting for Satan to either downplay or deny Who Mary is, what She's done, and the degree of influence that She has, and so on, and get people to believe that, in order to lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Virgin Mary in a way that draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants.
 
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Regarding the Virgin Mary, do you consider that what Maria Valtorta wrote about Her could be the Truth? Because we agree that her writings have a supernatural origin, though whether it is God's Work or Satan's work, you're still undecided. Well, to help figure that out, let's use what you read about the Virgin Mary (none of which places Her above God) and our reason. Why would Satan speak about the Virgin Mary in such a way? He hated Her Son to the point of killing Him, so how much more would he hate Her for bringing Him into the world? And, Satan wants to lead people away from God, and Mary wants to help lead people to God, and thus, wouldn't it be more fitting for Satan to either downplay or deny Who Mary is, what She's done, and the degree of influence that She has, and so on, and get people to believe that, in order to lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Virgin Mary in a way that draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants.
What Maria wrote is a lie!

Mary had sex with Joseph as the bible says and Mary also had at least 6 children with Joseph as the bible says. I weighed Marias Word with the infallible inspired Word of God and found them desperately wanting here.
 

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All that these give credence to is that the origins are supernatural. Whether God or devil is the issue

Well, at least we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin. And, the fact that you reached that conclusion is because of the Holy Spirit and your good will. So, praise God, stay humble, keep the faith and good will. :)

And, why would Satan speak about the Virgin Mary in such a way, when he hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world?

Maria wrote is a lie!

Mary had sex with Joseph as the bible says and Mary also had at least 6 children with Joseph as the bible says. I weighed Marias Word with the infallible inspired Word of God and found them desperately wanting here.

So, we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin, but you think it's Satan's work not God's, and that he's saying lies about the Virgin Mary. I take it that you've ruled out the possibility that people's interpretation of certain scriptural verses are wrong, and that what Maria Valtorta was told and shown is actually the Truth? How did you come to rule out that possibility?

And, why would Satan speak about the Virgin Mary in such a way, when he hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world?

And, Satan wants to lead people away from God, and Mary wants to help lead people to God, and thus, wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She has, and so on, and get people to believe that, and lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants, don't you think?
 
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Well, at least we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin. And, the fact that you reached that conclusion is because of the Holy Spirit and your good will. So, praise God, stay humble, keep the faith and good will. :)



So, we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin, but you think it's Satan's work not God's, and that he's saying lies about the Virgin Mary. I take it that you've ruled out the possibility that people's interpretation of certain scriptural verses are wrong, and that what Maria Valtorta was told and shown is actually the Truth? How did you come to rule out that possibility?

And, why would Satan speak about the Virgin Mary in such a way, when he hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world?

And, Satan wants to lead people away from God, and Mary wants to help lead people to God, and thus, wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She has, and so on, and get people to believe that, and lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants, don't you think?
I am not going to speculate on Satan's motives and schemes. I only take God's word as He inspired it to be written and it clearly and explicitly says Jesus Mother had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born, and She had at least 6 other children besides Jesus. Brothers James, Simon, Joses and Judah and it mentions "sisters" meaning at least two!

Mary was also born with a sin nature and committed sin.;

Once again we see Gods word go against Marias Word and many in the roman church who claim Mary was conceived without sin and was kept free of sin by some special grace. the bible does not say that! but it does say this:

From Romans 3:

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

All and none are words that have no exclusions. and nowhere in gods Inspired Sacred word does it say Mary never sinned or never had children when it says it does! Maria is wrong and that brings into question all her writings.

I am sure there are many many true things in her writings, but even Satan will extensively quote Scripture to lead people astray.

I say this for love of you and to protect you from false doctrine.