The 42 months is a “sign” of time.

[Stewardofthemystery]

Many believe the 42 months mentioned in Revelation should be taken literally, like a literal 3 and a half year tribulation period.

But I believe the 42 months is a sign (symbolism) of time which should be “spiritually discerned.”

Let’s look at why this 42 months, or 1,260 days is not a literal 3 and half years, but is rather symbolic of time.

In Revelation 12:5-6 we read “5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (1,260 days or 42 months)

Most would agree this verse is speaking about the birth of Jesus Christ, and his being caught up to God, and the woman being the sign of the spiritual Israel, because these are those who “ have the testimony of Jesus Christ” as seen in Rev. 12:17.

But no matter who you believe the woman represents, the timing of when she fled into the wilderness is shown to be right after the “man-child” was caught up to God and to His throne.”

This time is confirmed again here in Revelation 12:14 “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”

So now we have this same 1,260 days shown as “time, times, and half a time” which is also mentioned in the book of Daniel.

This prophecy given to Daniel had to do with “the days of vengeance on the Jews” and ending with the “time of trouble such as the world has never seen” (Daniel 12:1) Which Jesus also mentioned in Matthew 24:21.

And this time of 1,260 days was to begin with the destruction of the Temple, and this time period would also run 1335 days all the way to the redemption of Gods people as Daniel was told in verse 1 “at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book of Life.”

And then there is mention of the resurrection as mentioned here in Daniel 12:2 “2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”

Then this time is again confirmed in Daniel 12:7 “7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

So according to the word of the Lord, all those things mentioned to Daniel shall be finished in that same time period.

Now let’s look at how this time period is also shown as the same amount of time given to the fullness of the Gentiles.

Jesus spoke of “after the tribulation of those days” in accordance with the tribulation period of the Jews and also for “the fullness of the Gentiles.” ( “that all things which are written may be fulfilled” Luke 21:22)

In Luke 21:24 Jesus says “ And they(the Jews) shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until “the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

So how long was the times of the Gentiles? Well, were given that time as well in scripture.

Revelation 11:2 “But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
This confirms the Gentile ingathering periods fulness, the tribulation of those days, and all those things being fulfilled as listed in the book of Daniel could not possibly be a literal 42 months, or 1,260 days, but rather it is a sign of time.

We also know by Paul’s words that this time of the Gentiles being fulfilled would be marked by ungodliness being removed from Jacob.

Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”

So we know by scripture the start point of the Gentile period, and when the abomination that desolated the temple mount and Jerusalem was in fact set up in 70 a.d.

And we also know the second coming and resurrection of the dead in Christ has not happened yet, as we also know ungodliness has not yet been removed from Israel at the Lords second coming.

So people need to rethink this sign of time because there is no way it can be a taken at face value and as literal when you understand the start point and end point.


Just more food for thought, Peace.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The Lord gave us a sign of time in the number 42 concerning the first coming of Christ.

In Numbers chapter 23. We see Balaam was commanded by God to have Balak build 7 altars, and he was to offer a bullock and a ram on each of the 7 altars; or 14 animals total.

This act was to be performed 3 times. In this we see 3x7 altars=21 total altars. And we also see 3 x 14 animals= 42 animals total, or 21 being rams and 21 being bullocks.=42

Another sign of this is shown in Job chapter 42 verse 8 where Job is told by God to offer 7 bullocks and 7 rams for Jobs 3 friends. Again we see 3 x 7=21 and also both animals combined would be 3 x 14=42

I believe both these were “signs given”to represent the 42 generations leading up to the birth of Jesus.

Notice In Matthew 1:17 we see a similar sign as the previous ones.


Here we see 3 groups of 14 generation periods, or 3 x 14=42

God uses many similitudes, symbolisms, types, shadows, and patterns for those who can see them.


This 42 generation period leading up to Jesus’ birth was roughly about 2,000 years.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Here is something else I want you to notice in the 42 generations, and that is how they are shown in 3 separate groups.

Matthew 1:17

King James Version

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; (1st group)

and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; (2nd group)

and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.”(3rd group)

This grouping of 3 groups is shown in several different places in scripture. Even in the Revelation we see the judgment on “thirds”…

Revelation 8:7
The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Revelation 8:8
And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

Revelation 8:9
And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Revelation 8:10
And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Revelation 8:11
And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Revelation 8:12
And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Revelation 9:15
And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 9:18
By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

So there is a pattern to the numbers.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

To understand future prophecy you must understand the types, shadows, and patterns shown in the past.

James 5:17-18

King James Version

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17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

Elijah fled into the wilderness during this time where he was nourished by God….

1 Kings 17:1-6

King James Version

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17 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the Lord God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
2 And the word of the Lord came unto him, saying,
3 Get thee hence, and turn thee eastward, and hide thyself by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
4 And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.
5 So he went and did according unto the word of the Lord: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
6 And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.”

The pattern repeats with the saints fleeing into the wilderness where they would be nourished for a time, times, and half a time.

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The law and all the prophets prophesied during the 42 generations leading up to Jesus….

Matthew 11:13
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

The Lords 2 witnesses (Word and Spirit) would also prophesy through the saints in the same manner…

Revelation 11:3
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

 

[Davidpt]

For example. If Amils take this same approach pertaining to 42 months like you have, we then end up with the following, at least as far as I can tell. This 42 months and the thousand years are the same era of time, they are running in parallel. Except they have the beast in the pit the entire thousand years. Therefore, for any Amil to agree with what you are proposing concerning this 42 months, makes zero sense to me since they would be contradicting their view that the beast is in the pit the entire thousand years.

Of course though, if one's position is that the thousand years are post the 2nd coming, and they agreed this 42 months should be being understood the way you are proposing it should be, at least it wouldn't be causing an issue with the thousand years since it wouldn't be running in parallel with it to begin with.

What it might be causing an issue with though if being understood like you are proposing, would be this.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

At the time of John having seen these visions and writing about them, he indicated that the beast is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit. Obviously, can't ascend out of the bottomless pit unless it's in the pit first. Which seems to mean 'is not' is meaning it's in the pit.

At the time of John having seen these visions and writing about them, Christians were already being martyred and persecuted. But how could it involve the beast at that point if it is still in the pit and is to ascend out of the pit in John's future?

Surely, Revelation 13 is involving when the beast ascends out of the pit, and that what is meant by verse 1 and rising up out of the sea, is meaning what John predicted in Revelation 17:8 when he said this---and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.

And then we see this in verse 5 after the beast has risen up out of the sea---and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.


Obviously, power wasn't given to him before he rises up out of the sea first. The text then says, and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Meaning after, not before, he rises up. Keeping in mind that John indicated that the status of the beast during his days was 'is not' and that Christians were already being persecuted and killed while the beast 'is not'.

Then we have to factor this in.

Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.


It is during it's 42 month reign when one can receive the mark of the beast, etc. And that it makes zero sense that it's 42 month reign can be spanning centuries. The text doesn't say some men which had the mark of the beast, a noisome and grievous sore did not fall upon them. The text says it does. But how could it if the 42 month reign of the beast is spanning centuries and that they too had the mark of the beast? They would obviously already be dead by the time Revelation 16:2 is meaning, right?

Therefore, the 42 month reign of the beast has to be involving an era of time where everyone that the first vial is poured out on, they are all living at the same time.

I guess I better stop here. Already too lengthy the way it is.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

At the time of John having seen these visions and writing about them, he indicated that the beast is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit. Obviously, can't ascend out of the bottomless pit unless it's in the pit first. Which seems to mean 'is not' is meaning it's in the pit.

This proves the beast is not a man because there is no resurrection of the dead before Christ returns.

At the time of John having seen these visions and writing about them, Christians were already being martyred and persecuted. But how could it involve the beast at that point if it is still in the pit and is to ascend out of the pit in John's future?

The 7 headed beast with 10 horns was already in place trying to kill Jesus as soon as he was born in Rev. 12:3-4

Surely, Revelation 13 is involving when the beast ascends out of the pit, and that what is meant by verse 1 and rising up out of the sea,

The beast rising out of the sea means he would rise up out of the Nations, the woman sits on the beast, the woman sits on many waters, which represents many peoples, nations and tongues.

And then we see this in verse 5 after the beast has risen up out of the sea---and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Those who are of the beasts spirit prophesy during the same period of time as those who are of God’s Spirit.

It is during it's 42 month reign when one can receive the mark of the beast, etc. And that it makes zero sense that it's 42 month reign can be spanning centuries.

It does when you understand the mark of the man/ beast is the sin/sin nature working in those who are of the serpents seed.

The text doesn't say some men which had the mark of the beast, a noisome and grievous sore did not fall upon them. The text says it does.

That is yet future during the pouring out of Gods wrath on the Nations

Therefore, the 42 month reign of the beast has to be involving an era of time where everyone that the first vial is poured out on, they are all living at the same time.

When you understand the beast is not a man but is a spirit working in mankind, and that the mark of sin has been around since Cain, then you will see this prophecy is not limited to a short 31/2 year period of time.

 

[Davidpt]

This proves the beast is not a man because there is no resurrection of the dead before Christ returns.

I have no dispute with that. But what about the false prophet then? Can you also argue he is no man? Nothing pertaining to the 42 month reign of the beast is involving an era of time where there is no false prophet also involved. Therefore, if the false prophet is human, no human can live for centuries. Maybe they could back in the beginning, but they certainly can't do it now.

The 7 headed beast with 10 horns was already in place trying to kill Jesus as soon as he was born in Rev. 12:3-4

John said the beast was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bp. Which can then mean that it is maybe meaning when it 'was', meaning before it it is ever in the pit. Which would then mean it's time in the pit started after what you brought up here, and that it continues until it ascends out of the pit.


IOW, A) was = not in the pit yet. B) is not = is in the pit. C) shall ascend out of the pit = is no longer in the pit

Therefore, Rev. 12:3-4 is pertaining to A) in this case.

The beast rising out of the sea means he would rise up out of the Nations, the woman sits on the beast, the woman sits on many waters, which represents many peoples, nations and tongues.

Maybe, maybe not. The pit is meaning the deep. The sea is also meaning the deep. Therefore, per this context what is meant by the sea could be meaning the bottomless pit. It's not like both are not describing something 'deep'. Who would ever propose that a sea is not deep?

It does when you understand the mark of the man/ beast is the sin/sin nature working in those who are of the serpents seed.

Why are you not an Amil then? You reason and argue some of these things the way Amils do. Are you sure you are not an Amil? You sure sound like you could be.

That is yet future during the pouring out of Gods wrath on the Nations

At least we agree about that, yet it still misses the point I was trying to make. It would be unfair of God to punish some men which have the mark but not other men in the past that allegedly also had the mark, except they are all dead at this point. IOW, they got to worship the beast and it's image, receive it's mark, but not have to endure any of the vials of wrath. While these other ones, when they do the exact same things in the future, they won't be able to escape God's wrath. Seems like God is being unfair to me that the earlier ones get a free pass involving God's wrath but these later ones don't.

When you understand the beast is not a man but is a spirit working in mankind, and that the mark of sin has been around since Cain, then you will see this prophecy is not limited to a short 31/2 year period of time.

And when you understand that I never said to begin with one single time that the beast is man, you will then quit assuming that I don't understand that the beast is not a man. What about the false prophet then? Is he also not a man and has been around since Cain?

And speaking of Cain, I have heard Amils argue the exact same thing you are arguing here. Except the mark of Cain couldn't possibly be involving what the mark of the beast is involving.

Genesis 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.


Can you not see in the text that God is the one that put this mark on him, where if anyone were to slay Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. It really makes sense that God is going to set the mark of the beast upon someone, and then if that someone with the mark is slain by someone, the someone that slayed them, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. You and these Amils that propose this nonsense have no clue what you are even talking about here. Not according to me, according to the texts that prove you are talking nonsense here.

Can some of you not read in Revelation 13, that until there is first a beast that rises up out of the sea, another one out of the earth, and then the latter fulfills everything recorded concerning him, in the meantime there is no mark to take or not take?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I have no dispute with that. But what about the false prophet then? Can you also argue he is no man?

Yes, because the false prophet spirit is the spirit of antichrist which the scriptures confirm was already in the world when John wrote about “it”. This false prophet spirit that works in many deceivers is also shown as the little horn and the tail of the Red Dragon in scripture.

John said the beast was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bp. Which can then mean that it is maybe meaning when it 'was', meaning before it it is ever in the pit..

The beast “that was” alive but “is not” means he is no longer alive spiritually. He is now “twice dead”.
It is the opposite of Jesus ….
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

The pit is meaning the deep. The sea is also meaning the deep.

The bottomless pit is hell, it is called the bottomless pit because hell is never full.
Proverbs 27:20
Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Jesus called the serpents seed the children of hell, being they were spiritually dead.

you sure you are not an Amil? You sure sound like you could be.

I don’t follow the doctrines of men, I was taught by Christ via the Holy Spirit.

Seems like God is being unfair to me that the earlier ones get a free pass involving God's wrath but these later ones don't.

The Lake of fire is not a free pass.

What about the false prophet then? Is he also not a man and has been around since Cain?

The Old Serpent is the father of the false prophet spirit, “it” is what bruises the head (darkens the mind) of the serpents seed from receiving the Spirit of Truth.

Can you not see in the text that God is the one that put this mark on him, where if anyone were to slay Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.

You misunderstand, vengeance is taken on Cain sevenfold. Notice what Lamech says…

Genesis 4:23-24

King James Version

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23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.”

The punishment was on both Cain and Lamech to their own wounding and hurt.

God marks sinners….

Psalm 130:3
If thou, Lord, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

Jeremiah 2:22
For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord God.

Job 7:20
I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?

Job 10:14
If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine iniquity.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

For example. If Amils take this same approach pertaining to 42 months like you have, we then end up with the following, at least as far as I can tell. This 42 months and the thousand years are the same era of time, they are running in parallel. Except they have the beast in the pit the entire thousand years. Therefore, for any Amil to agree with what you are proposing concerning this 42 months, makes zero sense to me since they would be contradicting their view that the beast is in the pit the entire thousand years.

It wouldn't make sense only if we agreed with your understanding of what it means for the beast (and Satan) to be in the bottomless pit, but we don't. You never even attempt to look at things from the amil perspective. You try to force your premil perspective onto amil. Well, of course it's not going to make sense from that perspective! If you actually looked at it from the amil perspective, as you never do, where being bound in the bottomless pit is not to be taken literally as if it means that the beast (or Satan) is completely incapacitated, then it might make sense to you. But, I have no hope that you will ever do that.

Tell me how the beast being in the bottomless pit can mean it's completely incapacitated despite it saying that one of the beast's heads "is" at that time when the beast itself "is not"?

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

How can you make sense of your understanding that the beast, (or Satan, or the demonic locusts of Rev 9), being in the bottomless pit means that it is completely incapacitated when it says that one of its heads "is" at the time John wrote the book? The beast "is not" at the time but one of its heads "is". Can you explain that with your view? I can with my view.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have no dispute with that. But what about the false prophet then? Can you also argue he is no man?

If the beast out of the sea isn't a man, then why would the beast out of the earth be a man? There is no consistency in your interpretive approach. I have told you that many times before, but you just don't get that and, apparently, never will.

By the way, since you don't believe the beast is a man (since when?), what is your understanding of the beast? I have told you many times that your view can't be taken seriously about anything related to the beast until you can actually explain what the beast is. So, what is your understanding of the beast then? What do you believe the beast symbolically represents?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why are you not an Amil then? You reason and argue some of these things the way Amils do. Are you sure you are not an Amil? You sure sound like you could be.

LOL. He thinks we are evil. I have indicated to him that I do agree with him on a few things such as his understanding that the 42 months/1260 days/time-times-half a time are not meant to be taken literally, that the mark of the beast is not physical, but spiritual, and things like that. But, he thinks believing in Amil is evil and he thinks we're children of the devil. Even though a few of the things he believes are things that, typically, only Amils believe. He's a strange one.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

He's a strange one.

The Lord call us a peculiar people.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Lord call us a peculiar people.

That's not really the same context as what I was thinking, but, sure, you can go with that if you want.

 

[Davidpt]

You misunderstand, vengeance is taken on Cain sevenfold. Notice what Lamech says…

Genesis 4:23-24

King James Version

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23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.”

The punishment was on both Cain and Lamech to their own wounding and hurt.

God marks sinners….

Psalm 130:3
If thou, Lord, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

Jeremiah 2:22
For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord God.

Job 7:20
I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?

Job 10:14
If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine iniquity.

You have it backwards. It is not me that is misunderstanding that, it is you that is. Not according to me, but according to the texts involved.

Try reading what the texts actually say. You have verse 24 contradicting verse 15 not agreeing with it.


Genesis 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Genesis 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

Your interpretation of verse 24 apparently has verse 15 saying this---Therefore whosoever Cain slayeth, vengeance shall be taken on Cain sevenfold for slaying that person---rather than what the text actually says---Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken sevenfold on the person slaying Cain

Lamech's point in verse 24 appears to be this. If the slaying of Cain is worthy of being avenged sevenfold for having done that, then what I have done is far worse than if someone were to slay Cain, a man already guilty of having slain his brother. For I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. Truly I deserve seventy and sevenfold.

There is zero anywhere in Genesis 4 having to do with the mark of the beast. What now, since Lamech did something even worse that if someone were to slay Cain, where Cain is already a guilty man for having murdered his brother, does God now place the mark of the beast on Lamech as well? Aren't some of you taking this mark to be meaning the mark of the beast rather than a mark that serves as a warning? If you avenge anyone with this mark I have put on them, when vengeance belongs to me to begin with not you, vengeance will be taken on you sevenfold for having done that. IOW, if God didn't see it necessary to punish Cain with death for having killed his brother, He sure isn't going to allow someone else to do something He wasn't going to do Himself, and then He be happy about it that they did what He didn't want to do, slay Cain for having killed his brother. Therefore, if anyone goes against His will, vengeance will be taken on them sevenfold

Once again, zero to do with mark of the beast Revelation 13 is involving.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

There is zero anywhere in Genesis 4 having to do with the mark of the beast. What now, since Lamech did something even worse that if someone were to slay Cain, where Cain is already a guilty man for having murdered his brother, does God now place the mark of the beast on Lamech as well?

The sign of 7 times and being marked by sin and having to bear one’s sins is shown in several places in scripture. God warned the children of Israel that if they disobeyed His words that 7 times more the curses shall fall upon them than the blessings, and they would have to bear their iniquities during that time. The same sign was shown in Nebuchadnezzar who was given the heart of a beast till 7 times had been fulfilled.
Daniel 4:16
Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

If you avenge anyone with this mark I have put on them, when vengeance belongs to me to begin with not you, vengeance will be taken on you sevenfold for having done that. IOW,

So you think if anyone were to avenge the death of Abel by Cain they would be punished 7 times? Now that IS backwards.

Cain is of that Wicked one.

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The mark of the Man/beast

I am going to spend some time explaining by scripture what the mark, name, and number of the man/beast truly is. It is important that one use scripture to confirm all these truths, as I will do in my following posts. First let’s explore what the mark of the man/beast is by first looking at...

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[Timtofly]

So according to the word of the Lord, all those things mentioned to Daniel shall be finished in that same time period.

No, that would be according to your interpretation.

The Word of the Lord is to be rightly divided, not poured into a mixing bowel, and claiming one single symbolic event.

The time of safety at the first coming was about 70 years after the birth of Jesus.

The other time mentioned in Revelation 12 will be Israel waiting on the sea of glass during Satan's 42 months referred to as the mystery Babylon empire.

The time, times, and half a time in Daniel 12 is 3500 years. That spans from Daniel until the GWT Judgment.

I agree that all things from Daniel until the GWT Judgment will be finished in 3500 years. Even Jesus was born in that 3500 years. We are in that 3500 years. The Millennial Kingdom is in that 3500 years.

We are literally running out of time. That is not to be taken symbolically.

 

[Timtofly]

So there is a pattern to the numbers.

That is why the Seals pertain to the church, and the Trumpets pertain to Israel. Even the Trumpets are divided into 2×3. There are 3 woes.

The 7th Trumpet is after the 7 Thunders.

Satan only symbolically overcomes. Satan cannot defeat Jesus, but Jesus hands over the kingdoms of the earth to Satan 3.5 days after the 7th Trumpet starts to sound.


Or not. The Atonement Covenant is confirmed in the midst of that 7 day week of the 7th Trumpet. If Satan is given that authority and power those 42 months split the week in half. The last 3.5 days are when the 2 witnesses are killed and lay in Jerusalem for 3.5 days. Those 3.5 days are when the 7 vials are poured out on that mystery Babylon empire. The Sunday being the first day of week is when they ascend into heaven early in the morning, and the Battle of Armageddon is from 5pm until 6pm. Then the Millennium starts at 6pm.

There will be 3 such weeks given to Israel.

The first was a week of marching around Jericho, and the walls fell on Sunday.

The second was the week of the Cross, and Jesus ascended to Heaven on Sunday.

The last is found in Daniel 9:27, but will be the week of the 7th Trumpet. Either Satan will be bound on Sunday, or defeated 42 months, and 3.5 days later on a Sunday, and then bound.

 

[Timtofly]

This proves the beast is not a man because there is no resurrection of the dead before Christ returns.

Neither is the "man of sin". Satan is the beast and "man of sin" that goes in and out of the pit, until placed there in chains for a thousand years.