BarneyFife
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That was Henry Ford - lol.God didn't institute the two-day weekend, silly.![]()
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That was Henry Ford - lol.God didn't institute the two-day weekend, silly.![]()
It’s no secret this is what SDA’s push, which explains their obsession with the sabbath day. I was recently in a discussion with a SDA on a different Christian forum who made this statement below:Uh, no straw man here, friend. Sabbath keeping is pushed as the mark of the genuinely saved person. That means if you ain't keeping it, you ain't saved!
Lol....well established "on this thread" by you and your ilk, which make up less than 1% of Christianity, but NOT well established by 99.9% of Christians who observed The Lords Day; Sunday!No, you don't have to be a Jew to obey God's Commandments. That has been well established in this thread.
I didn't answer your question because it makes no sense and it is a logical fallacy. You ask me if I obey 9 of the 10 commandments and then you say that I "oppose Commandment Keeping"! If I oppose commandment keeping how is it that I obey 9 of the 10? That makes no sense...Perhaps you could rephrase the question so that it makes sense?If you obey 9 of the 10 Commandments, forsaking the Sabbath Commandment, isn't that still hypocrisy, seeing as how you oppose Commandment Keeping?
Good morning B5,OK :cool:
The point is not moot. We have no "images" or images. We have no "men" or men. What we have is the Bible. But I doubt you'll ever entertain these ideas. So, do two wrongs make a right or not?![]()
Jesus said he is the Lord of the Sabbath. In Scripture and historical Christian writings from the time it is made clear that converted Jews no longer have to observe the Jewish Sabbath and that they began to observe The Lords Day; Sunday. Soooooo I still can't figure out why you listen to those men from the mid 1800's who started the Christian Sabbath theory and threw away 1,800 years of The Lords Day; Sunday? Were you raised SDA and that is why you adhere to it? Or did you come to it on your own as an adult?Yes, the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, given by the Lord of the Sabbath.
Good point. And a compliment to boot.Lol....well established "on this thread" by you and your ilk, which make up less than 1% of Christianity, but NOT well established by 99.9% of Christians who observed The Lords Day; Sunday!
Hmmm.....sooooo you and your fellow Sabbatarians are the only ones who will fit thru the gate? Sounds like Satan has already won since you called it "the devils world"! What your men have taught you is that 99.9% of current Christians are wrong. All Christians before your denomination started were wrong and the Sabbath theory that started 200 years ago is right. Fascinating theory....Good point. And a compliment to boot.
It's not trendy, or popular, to be right with God in the devil's world.
Goes to show who travels which road.
"... wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: ... (very narrow) is the gate, and (difficult) is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Matthew 7:13-14
Only the truly blind brag about being one with the masses.
God knows who His sheep are.
They are few and far between.
It is the Truth of the matter.I didn't answer your question because it makes no sense and it is a logical fallacy. You ask me if I obey 9 of the 10 commandments and then you say that I "oppose Commandment Keeping"! If I oppose commandment keeping how is it that I obey 9 of the 10? That makes no sense...Perhaps you could rephrase the question so that it makes sense?
You are hypocrites for claiming we are not to obey any of the 10 Commandments anymore, and ridiculing and condemning any and all who do - while you continue to obey 8 or 9 of the 10 Commandments yourselves.I think you are accusing me and 99.9% of Christianity of not obeying 1 of the 10 commandments and we are hypocrites for doing so.
I wouldn't place it at that exact percentage, but yes. Apparently so.Do you really believe that Satan has won over (deceived) 99.9% of Christianity ... ?
You crack me up....you do realize that you and your ilk could be the fulfillment of those passages? Especially since what you have been taught is a new theory that came from men and women of the 1800's who couldn't even agree with each other?It is the Truth of the matter.
And the whole point is that it makes zero sense.
Nice attempt at deflecting. All you accomplished was confirming and emphasizing my point.
You are hypocrites for claiming we are not to obey any of the 10 Commandments anymore, and ridiculing and condemning any and all who do - while you continue to obey 8 or 9 of the 10 Commandments yourselves.
I wouldn't place it at that exact percentage, but yes. Apparently so.
Matthew 7:13-14
Matthew 7:22-23
Matthew 25:41
Matthew 25:46
Your ongoing false accusation that this thread, and all in agreement with it, are Seventh Day Adventists is growing very tired.Hmmm.....sooooo you and your fellow Sabbatarians are the only ones who will fit thru the gate? Sounds like Satan has already won since you called it "the devils world"! What your men have taught you is that 99.9% of current Christians are wrong. All Christians before your denomination started were wrong and the Sabbath theory that started 200 years ago is right. Fascinating theory....
Because your Millennium theory, borne from just 7 consecutive verses in Revelation, is absolute nonsense. That's why.I wonder why the 2nd coming hasn't happened yet if this is.....as you said...the devils world?
You're really not very good at this, are you?You crack me up....you do realize that you and your ilk could be the fulfillment of those passages? Especially since what you have been taught is a new theory that came from men and women of the 1800's who couldn't even agree with each other?
Hmmmm.....So you don't want to be tied to the SDA denomination. Ok...but the point is still the same....you are a Sabbatarian, just like them, and that is the gist of our discussion; Sabbatarianism.Your ongoing false accusation that this thread, and all in agreement with it, are Seventh Day Adventists is growing very tired.
I've cleared that up repeatedly, but you are purposely ignoring it in an attempt to minimize the thrust of this thread. You are failing miserably.
I am not SDA so the ridiculing, and belittling, of a single denomination is completely pointless. I am a Bible-believing Christian and that's all it takes to arrive at all of the conclusions presented by myself and others in this thread pertaining to the 10 Commandments; of which the Sabbath happens to be a part of.
SDA's will not be the only denomination saved; there will be many from all denominations who are not saved. But those who faithfully obey God, and His Commandments, and pursue Truth and Righteousness, following Jesus Christ and all His ways will be justified by God at His discretion.
I can tell you that those who practice disobeying God though, and all who teach it, will find their place elsewhere when the time of Judgment comes.
Plain and simple; and fully backed by scripture in its entirety.
Because your Millennium theory, borne from just 7 consecutive verses in Revelation, is absolute nonsense. That's why.
And Jesus Himself, as well as John, confirm that this current physical realm belongs to the enemy.
John 14:30
1 John 5:19
Not to fear, though. Jesus destroys him upon His return.
Isaiah 13:9-11
1 Corinthians 15:23-26
Not sure why you have to be so nasty and belittling, but it does expose who you really are. Have i been that way to you?You're really not very good at this, are you?
How long have you been here? No matter, your skill at maintaining a line of reasoning in discussion is pitiful.
You, yourself, pointed out that the vast majority of Christendom agrees with your faulty positions, but you turn around and claim that those few, who believe as I do, must be the ones who fulfill the prophetic verses about the many claiming Lord, Lord and traveling the wide (very populated) road.:
You're really reaching and finding nothing of any significance to save your sinking position in this debate.
Maybe you should concede and just embrace the Truth.
Just a thought.
HI, MARY!!! :):):)Good morning B5,
I'd like to think there's something to be said for simply being able to choose to worship God according to the dictates of my own conscience, which I've decided is what I perceive the Bible to say. I won't stand for some ecclesiastical bureaucrat telling me how I must relate to my maker. That's all. I know that makes me a heretic to the universal church.You and your Protestant brothers have no images??????????? Scroll up to my previous post and look at the statues and images I provided that your Protestant men have made in adoration of your men. All those men are just like you. They all said they had the bible...just like you say... and it is from the bible where they got their truth....just like you say....but all their truths are different truths....weird!!! You all read the same book but come up with different truths. I said weird when I should have said how sadYou all think you right and the other is wrong...that is unless they agree with YOU and then they are right....And the Catholic Church is definatly wrong.....that is unless you agree with The Church then it is right....Sad and Weird!
Okay, then, I guess you're not going to entertain that idea, either. No worries.Your question, do two wrongs make a right, is rhetorical.
I simply don't believe The LORD has been as careful to preserve the veracity of historical Christian writings as He has His Holy Word. And there's no theoretical Sabbath of the 1800s. Only the Sabbath of the 4th commandment. The Bible is sufficient to prove that.Jesus said he is the Lord of the Sabbath. In Scripture and historical Christian writings from the time it is made clear that converted Jews no longer have to observe the Jewish Sabbath and that they began to observe The Lords Day; Sunday. Soooooo I still can't figure out why you listen to those men from the mid 1800's who started the Christian Sabbath theory and threw away 1,800 years of The Lords Day; Sunday?
All I knew about Seventh-day Adventists growing up is what my grandmother told me:Were you raised SDA and that is why you adhere to it?
I became a Seventh-day Adventist in the vigor and soundness of mind of my youthful manhood, because I was searching for a place to start the religious education of my pre-school children and I found the Seventh-day Adventists to have the Theology that seemed the most cohesive to me. I had been taught by Southern Baptists as a child that the ten commandments were the moral code for Christians and I found out later that that was only 9/10 true for them.Or did you come to it on your own as an adult?
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I better understand now where you are coming from.HI, MARY!!! :):):)
I'd like to think there's something to be said for simply being able to choose to worship God according to the dictates of my own conscience, which I've decided is what I perceive the Bible to say. I won't stand for some ecclesiastical bureaucrat telling me how I must relate to my maker. That's all. I know that makes me a heretic to the universal church.
It's very, very unfortunate that folks don't agree on what God wants. But I don't think I had any hand in that mess. Protestants aren't really Protestants anymore for the most part so what difference does it make? I have no loyalty to any church other than my own. That really bothers a lot of people, but what can I say? I'm not going to lie about it. I am a Protestant mostly in that I'm in favor of (or pro) testing doctrine against the Bible.
Okay, then, I guess you're not going to entertain that idea, either. No worries.
I simply don't believe The LORD has been as careful to preserve the veracity of historical Christian writings as He has His Holy Word. And there's no theoretical Sabbath of the 1800s. Only the Sabbath of the 4th commandment. The Bible is sufficient to prove that.
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All I knew about Seventh-day Adventists growing up is what my grandmother told me:
"They go to church on Saturday and they don't believe in Santa Claus." - lol
Oh, and their churches had funny-looking signs out front with 3 angels blowing trumpets. I spotted that on my own. :cool:
I became a Seventh-day Adventist in the vigor and soundness of mind of my youthful manhood, because I was searching for a place to start the religious education of my pre-school children and I found the Seventh-day Adventists to have the Theology that seemed the most cohesive to me. I had been taught by Southern Baptists as a child that the ten commandments were the moral code for Christians and I found out later that that was only 9/10 true for them.
You see, I couldn't get straight answers to my questions from anyone but the Adventists, and I didn't have forever to get settled somewhere (my kids wouldn't stop growing!). And, wouldn't you just know it, the more I dug into what Adventists believe the more sense it made to me. I even began to understand things like regeneration! And atonement and Soteriology and Christology and the different kinds of hermeneutical approaches to Theology and Religious Liberty and all kinds of stuff and how it all pertains to and centers on Jesus! I'm still learning! It's great! :)
I think I've got you figured out. Instead of teaching your team anything at all about scripture, they just rounded you all up and taught you how to twist anything and everything somebody posts in every way possible to distort it from the Truth. And that is who you are, Mary.Hmmmm.....So you don't want to be tied to the SDA denomination.
Oh, that dirty, stigmatized word you use to shame and belittle those who obey the 4th Commandment. What do you call somebody who obeys the 1st, or the 2nd, or the 3rd? Heck, what do you call yourselves for obeying EIGHT or NINE of the Commandments? That's gotta be an interesting slur....you are a Sabbatarian, just like them, and that is the gist of our discussion; Sabbatarianism.
I don't claim any allegiance to any specific denomination to make the point that denominations are really irrelevant. After all, it's all about God and His Word. Yes, SDA's teach to obey the 4th Commandment, so does the Bible. We are in agreement.Soooo why are you not an SDA? After all, they teach what you believe concerning the Sabbath?
This is something you're intentionally all screwy about. It's not about denominations, it's not about groups. We, who truly have the Holy Spirit and worship God in spirit and in Truth, are all one in Christ. God will not save any one denomination in total; nor any one race, nor any one church. It's all about the individual and their personal relationship to God.Also, how or why is YOUR "fully backed by Scripture in it's entirety" interpretation from Scripture about the Sabbath accurate and a majority of Christian theologians since the NT times NOT "fully backed by scripture in its entirety"? They don't understand Scripture but YOU, a bible believing Christian, DO understand Scripture? Help me out here....
Nope.It is not MY "faulty position"....it is what Christianity has taught for 2022 years. Your position (and yes I can say YOUR position since you read/interpret Scripture on your own) became popular around 200 years ago and separated from Christianity.
Thanks for your strange reply. I'm afraid I failed to give you a correct impression of where I am coming from. No worries. :)Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I better understand now where you are coming from.
I know nothing about the SDA's so your one step ahead of me.
It sounds like you are saying that you are a church of one: You read the bible, you interpret it BUT you are still learning which means you could change your mind at anytime on what you previously thought was the Truth. (that's my take away from your post)
Please remember one thing in our debates about Scriptural interpretation: you are still learning so please don't ever tell me that I am wrong about what I tell you to be the Truth because in the future you just might learn that I was right and you were wrong....After all, you are still learning.
Also, Scripture says "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." Why didn't you obey the leaders of the SDA denomination when you became a member? Or do you believe no one should rule over you?
I believe that after 2,000 years we already know the Truth. If we don't, why is God still hiding it from us?
Mary
When I need to use Scripture to destroy what you have been taught by your 19th century men, I will use Scripture. Otherwise I will continue to use logic and historical (before the 19th century) to destroy your beliefs. Which is what I have been doing. None the less, here is some Scripture and Christian history that was written before the 19th history you adhere to:Do you realize that I looked at the last TEN posts of yours in this thread and not one of 'em contained a single reference to scripture by any specific verse. That speaks volumes about you and your purpose here.
You are here to distract, dissuade, disinform, derail and diminish the Word of God. Period..