Socalism & Christianity, a perfect match or a complete clash of ideologies?

[Taken]

What can socialism offer the world?

Can't think of anything.

False promises.
It’s called ear tickles.

 

[Adam]

Quick question, which socialist thinker was it that gave the west Drag Queen Story Hour?

 

[Brakelite]

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

Don't think much of it at all. See above post 16

 

[Brakelite]

Sure. The point the OP @Jaxy (a new believer) makes is that in their observation of the life and teachings of Jesus- the things he says are in closer alignment to what some might call 'socialist ideals' as opposed to a money-oriented approach to everything. It's a keen observation and I could offer several scriptural references that indicate this attitude in Jesus, in addition to the one above.

Jesus: To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them (Luke 6:27).

Jesus: No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despite the other. You cannot serve both God and wealth (Matthew 6:24).

Jesus: I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:23).

Jesus: Blessed are the humble, for they shall inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5).


There are more. There is the living community in early Acts- which followed a communal model sharing and caring for members based on need. The community at Qumran also held all thing/property in common and gave up their right to private ownership as a condition of joining.

Are you guys telling me that a brand new Christian picking up the Bible for the first time can see things clearly that you 'experts' just can't see?

Yes, we all understand that. What we don't accept is what has become a foundational concept of Catholic teaching under Pope Francis, the compelling of conscience and the forced aquisition of resources and finance to support this so called more egalitarian society you purpose. The book of acts reveals a church that voluntarily gave all their possessions that no church members would go without. This was not a government sponsored global financial goal such as Pope Francis and the new world order are attempting to create. The difference between current socialist ideals and the first century church is the former is but a pale masquerade, a farcical ideal built on a concept of global thievery and extortion. No comparison with biblical ideals whatsoever. Modern socialism, even under Pope Francis, is nothing other than a global power grab, which sadly many well meaning Christians are falling for.

 

[Enoch111]

What can socialism offer the world?

SLAVERY.

Strangely enough the majority of blacks in America chose voluntary slavery after their ancestors were freed. They gave their allegiance to the enslaving Democrats. How does one explain such stupidity? The same with American Jews. Their ancestors came out of Egyptian bondage and these went into Democratic bondage. How does one explain such stupidity?

 

[Wrangler]

Robin Hood, even though a myth, was the first socialist who became part of popular culture.

False. You have invoked the socialist myth of Robin Hood, "Steal from the rich and give to the poor." But this is not what Robin Hood actually did.

What Robin Hood actually did was follow the evil Sheriff of Nottingham who extorted excessive taxes from one town after another. In between Hood and his Freedom Fighters aid in weight in the woods. Hood took the money and returned it to the rightful owners in the town it was coerced from.

 

[amigo de christo]

I am NOT a socialist, commie, Marxist, liberal....
You knew that right?

Yeah i knew that my friend .

 

[Taken]

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

You believe you as a member of society should help the less fortunate....

Would you be willing to set up an account with me, whom you do not know, but you be required to consistently send me an amount of money I determine is necessary to help others, that I determine are in need of your monetary aid?

Would it be okay with you if I determine ...
* Parents are to busy to feed their children breakfast, so the children are in need for you to pay for the children to buy their breakfast?
* How about if girls are in need of an abortion because they wanted to engage in sex but did not use protection? Okay with you, to pay for their need?
* How about if a neighboring country has a drought and in need of assistance, and you are required to aid with that?
* Are you okay with never seeing the books and records of all the people, being required to put in my account...and I am deciding who the needy are, how much, how little, how often, I dole out your contribution to Them?
* Okay with you, if I determine I have a backache from mulling over all the people’s needs, that I need, a private health spa, a lovely park to walk about, a limo and driver, and private Jet to travel about and visit all the people I have doled out your money to...to tell them what a great scam I am running?

...and all other members of society should do the same as you?

It seems you have not noticed...
... The difference between an occasional helping hand ... and a lifestyle of the same one whose hand is alway open For a Handout, and Never a participant in helping another.

Biblically... A helping hand Is a Temporary Aid, “A”...sharing of “A” meal, “A” night of shelter...”Expressly” intended “To share the Word of God”.

Your idea is FORCED participation, VOID of Gods Intended PURPOSE of Temporary Aid as an Opportunity To SHARE the Word of God, with a person who is hungry and weary and POOR in Spirit.

Scripture Teaches...
Man requires Food and Rest...to sustain his BODY’s Temporary life.

God Teaches...
Man requires His Spiritual Word of Food and His Spiritual Peace Of Rest To: Permanently sustain his Soul and Spirit Eternal life.

No, I do not Agree with your proposal of FORCED participation of Society being Required to Endlessly send Dollars as a Solution FOR a Spiritual Problem.

 

[mailmandan]

 

[Earburner]

A collective is a community of individual members who have had their conscience appealed to. It’s not the Borg.

Secondly, I’m not advocating for socialism. In fact I’ve never met a single living example of someone who was able to live up to such ideals.

But I am advocating for understanding the perspective of a new believer just dipping their toes into the gospels.

I was saying— “Yeah… I can see that. I understand why you would think that”

"A new believer just dipping their toes into the gospels" are going to see and learn that ALL PEOPLE are equally sinful, no matter what one may think of themselves to be in this world, for monetary gain or influence.

In the very beginning of God's Grace to all the world, through the early church in this present age of Pentecost (God's Grace), we read in Acts 2:44-45, how the early disciples all had the understanding, that through faith in Jesus, all were "common" [G2839] with each other, being that all are equally sinful before God, no matter how wealthy or how poor. By that thinking, all then reacted by selling what they had, both rich and poor, then taking the money and "laying it before the apostles' feet", for distribution among them all.

Common
Strong's Number - G2839
Greek: κοινός
Transliteration: koinos
Pronunciation: koy-nos'
Definition: Probably from G4862; common that is (literally) shared by all or several or (ceremonially) profane: - common defiled unclean unholy.
KJV Usage: common (7x), unclean (3x), defiled (1x), unholy (1x).
Occurs: 12
In verses: 10

 

[Bob Estey]

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

One thing I don't like about socialism is that some socialists would require hard-working people to support able-bodied people who refuse to work.

 

[Marc94]

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

I’m not sure about socialism but I do think capitalism is not the way forward

 

[mailmandan]

One thing I don't like about socialism is that some socialists would require hard-working people to support able-bodied people who refuse to work.

In socialism the elites get the gold mine and the hard-working people get the shaft.

 

[Taken]

Socalism & Christianity, a perfect match or a complete clash of ideologies?​

OP ^

The USA was established upon Godly standards and principles FOR a people with Godly standards and principles.

The US Federal Constitution was established FOR the governed to KNOW the express FEW and LIMITED duties of their elected and appointed officials.


When a huge portion of America’s land is occupied by foreigners with foreign standards, principles and beliefs...The American People suffer the results.


When elected and appointed officials are most interested in remaining glued to their seats (by any means), they have lost sight of their duty to serve the citizens according to Lawful LIMITS, and Godly standards and principles.

We full know the WARNING, “FEW” shall Hear and Be Included in Christ Jesus’ offering, of the Order, Way and How to be “included” WITH Him...

It is disheartening to observe Corrupt, deceiving clowns (FOR DECADES, AS IF, they are ENTITLED ROYALTY)... being glued to seats of honor.

Solace for the FEW...? This charade is temporary. IN Christ is forever WITH Him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

One thing I don't like about socialism is that some socialists would require hard-working people to support able-bodied people who refuse to work.

Socialism REQUIRES a common pot and they with $$ compelled (forced) to fill and continually refill the pot...

Jesus taught charity...to happily give to help another, temporary shelter, temporary needs, a helping hand and a lasting Word of God, that they learn to do for themselves. It’s called Liberty not Compulsion.

 

[Rockerduck]

Hello,

I will sing " This world is not my home, I'm justa passing through. My treasure's are laid up, somewhere beyond the blue". Albert Brumley

Just as Jesus told Pilate, " My Kingdom is not of this world". (John 18:36).

If the op likes socialism, it is under the control of Satan. So you are worshiping a Satanic Government.

 

[LouisWilliams]

I’m not sure about socialism but I do think capitalism is not the way forward

The issue is that most socialists seem to be strongly critical of religion and spirituality...I think the best solution would be to support a free market economy with certain balances and regulations to prevent certain groups and companies from gaining too much power too quickly.

I also agree that unbalanced capitalism is very exploitative, even lots of Republicans don't like big corporations and lobbyists, for example in American society. Especially as lots of big corporations today such as Apple, Disney, Google, all seem to be very left-wing.

‘I’m selling my blood’: millions in US can’t make ends meet with two jobs

More Americans have been working two or more jobs over the past few decades, census data shows

www.theguardian.com

‘People are tired of being ignored while the rich get richer’: Bernie Sanders on anger and hope in the US and UK

The Vermont senator rose from the political margins to become hugely influential within the American left. As he prepares to speak at a London rally, he explains why unions on both sides of the Atlantic must reassert their power

www.theguardian.com

My personal views of Communism and Marxism are very negative, I mean, look at China, North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba today as the best examples.

But I am aware that Germany and the Scandinavian countries seem to have regulated capitalism in such a way that lots of their people do enjoy a much higher standard of living than in most places. Perhaps we should emulate them a little?