So what does the divinity of Jesus really mean, anyway?

[Ritajanice]

Another question that I have asked @CadyandZoe ..if Jesus was fully God, why is he seated at his Father’s right hand,

The Bible shows us that Jesus speaks to the Father on our behalf. Romans 8:34says that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” In 1 John 2:1 we read that Jesus is our “advocate with the Father,” and from Hebrews 7:25 we learn that Jesus “always lives to intercede” for us.



plus Jesus doesn’t know the day hour of his own return.

If he was fully God, then he would know when his return is imminent would he not?

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◄ Mark 13:32 ►

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Audio Cross Study Comm Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. New Living Translation “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. English Standard Version “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Berean Standard Bible No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Berean Literal Bible And concerning that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

I don’t believe he was / is fully God....I do believe that he was the only begotten / divine Son Of God.

Also why would God exalt his own name?...does that make sense, God exalted the Name Of Jesus did he not...Name above all other Names..?

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◄ Philippians 2:9 ►

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Audio Cross Study Comm Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, New Living Translation Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, English Standard Version Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, Berean Standard Bible Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, Berean Literal Bible Therefore God also highly exalted Him, and granted to Him the name above every name, King James Bible Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: The Humbled and Exalted Christ 5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Taken]

Personally, I am deeply interested in what my Lord actually said and I want to obey him.

Sure, not in doubt or question.

Do you believe your Lord was/ is a human terrestrial man?

 

[Lizbeth]

Another question that I have asked @CadyandZoe ..if Jesus was fully God, why is he seated at his Father’s right hand,

The Bible shows us that Jesus speaks to the Father on our behalf. Romans 8:34says that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” In 1 John 2:1 we read that Jesus is our “advocate with the Father,” and from Hebrews 7:25 we learn that Jesus “always lives to intercede” for us.



plus Jesus doesn’t know the day hour of his own return.

If he was fully God, then he would know when his return is imminent would he not?

​

◄ Mark 13:32 ►

​

Audio Cross Study Comm Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. New Living Translation “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. English Standard Version “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Berean Standard Bible No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Berean Literal Bible And concerning that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

I don’t believe he was / is fully God....I do believe that he was the only begotten / divine Son Of God.

Also why would God exalt his own name?...does that make sense, God exalted the Name Of Jesus did he not...Name above all other Names..?

Jesus was and is the Lord from heaven sister. He was born a quickening spirit (He was GOD'S spirit living in a physical body, not a human spirit), unlike regular humans who are only born as living souls and need to be spiritually reborn as spiritual children of God.

1Co 15:45-47

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The thing is, being born of a woman and found in the form of a man, Jesus laid down His omnipotence and omniscience in obedience to the will of the Father..........in order to fulfill God's will on earth and to set an example for us in relying completely on the Father, not on Himself. That is why He only knew what it pleased God to reveal to Him.

Phl 2:5-11

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


I hope this helps. It is a mystery as to how these things can be, how God can rely on God and serve and submit to Him, much like it is a mystery as to how God can be everywhere at once. We may not understand the "hows" or why's of everything the word of God says, but we need to believe/receive His word anyway, and not lean/rely on our own understanding. In this way we emulate Jesus, and if it pleases the Lord to reveal a thing to us, amen, but if not, amen.

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus was and is the Lord from heaven sister. He was born a quickening spirit (He was GOD'S spirit living in a physical body, not a human spirit), unlike regular humans who are only born as living souls and need to be spiritually reborn as spiritual children of God.

1Co 15:45-47

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The thing is, being born of a woman and found in the form of a man, Jesus laid down His omnipotence and omniscience in obedience to the will of the Father..........in order to fulfill God's will on earth and to set an example for us in relying completely on the Father, not on Himself. That is why He only knew what it pleased God to reveal to Him.

Phl 2:5-11

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


I hope this helps. It is a mystery as to how these things can be, how God can rely on God and serve and submit to Him, much like it is a mystery as to how God can be everywhere at once. We may not understand the "hows" or why's of everything the word of God says, but we need to believe/receive His word anyway, and not lean/rely on our own understanding. In this way we emulate Jesus, and if it pleases the Lord to reveal a thing to us, amen, but if not, amen.

So you keep saying ...not everyone believes what you believe...you believe what you believe, which doesn’t make it 100% Gods truth...as my questions keep going unanswered ...can you answer my questions above that is presented to CadyandZoe?

Here are the questions again?

Another question that I have asked @CadyandZoe ..if Jesus was fully God, why is he seated at his Father’s right hand,

The Bible shows us that Jesus speaks to the Father on our behalf. Romans 8:34says that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” In 1 John 2:1 we read that Jesus is our “advocate with the Father,” and from Hebrews 7:25 we learn that Jesus “always lives to intercede” for us.



plus Jesus doesn’t know the day hour of his own return.

If he was fully God, then he would know when his return is imminent would he not?

◄ Mark 13:32 ►

Audio Cross Study Comm Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. New Living Translation “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. English Standard Version “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Berean Standard Bible No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Berean Literal Bible And concerning that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

I don’t believe he was / is fully God....I do believe that he was the only begotten / divine Son Of God.

Also why would God exalt his own name?...does that make sense, God exalted the Name Of Jesus did he not...Name above all other Names..?

◄ Philippians 2:9 ►

Audio Cross Study Comm Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, New Living Translation Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, English Standard Version Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, Berean Standard Bible Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, Berean Literal Bible Therefore God also highly exalted Him, and granted to Him the name above every name, King James Bible Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus was and is the Lord from heaven sister. He was born a quickening spirit (He was GOD'S spirit living in a physical body, not a human spirit), unlike regular humans who are only born as living souls and need to be spiritually reborn as spiritual children of God.

1Co 15:45-47

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The thing is, being born of a woman and found in the form of a man, Jesus laid down His omnipotence and omniscience in obedience to the will of the Father..........in order to fulfill God's will on earth and to set an example for us in relying completely on the Father, not on Himself. That is why He only knew what it pleased God to reveal to Him.

Phl 2:5-11

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


I hope this helps. It is a mystery as to how these things can be, how God can rely on God and serve and submit to Him, much like it is a mystery as to how God can be everywhere at once. We may not understand the "hows" or why's of everything the word of God says, but we need to believe/receive His word anyway, and not lean/rely on our own understanding. In this way we emulate Jesus, and if it pleases the Lord to reveal a thing to us, amen, but if not, amen.

Yes indeed dear sister . It sure is a mystery . And how do we know if one is adding too or taking from
this mystery , when they omit words in that bible to fit what they beleive is this mystery .
In other words , while its true many might not understand this mystery
the one thing we DO need to understand is DO NOT OMIT words in that bible .
And i happen to know it says GOD IS THE WORD . I happen to know JESUS even said
I am alpha and omega , first and the last , was dead but am alive .
SO whether or not one understands that , LET NO MAN DENY IT . yet many do DENY this
with their so called doctrines . The only way a man is gonna truly learn the truth
IS from GOD and you can bet GOD wont twist HIS own words of truth to teach us anything , let alone a mystery .
IF any man is removing key doctrines , replacing THE WORD with perhaps a word . HEED NO such man .
IF any man is saying we ought not to worship CHRIST
then i suggest they read some bible , in even hebrews
IT was commanded BY GOD to the every angel TO WORSHIP HIM .
In fact i can show us many places where people would rush up and worship CHRIST
and i never once seem him correct them . OR THOMAS either .
I truly beleive great blasphemy is occuring by many who sure seem to deny HIS own words .
They say loudly to HE who said I AM ALPHA and OMEGA , that he lies . BUT JESUS DID say this .

 

[Lambano]

Another question that I have asked @CadyandZoe ..if Jesus was fully God, why is he seated at his Father’s right hand,

Remember, Jesus and His Father are different persons.

 

[Lizbeth]

So you keep saying ....can you answer my questions above that is presented to CadyandZoe?

Here are the questions again?

Another question that I have asked @CadyandZoe ..if Jesus was fully God, why is he seated at his Father’s right hand,

The Bible shows us that Jesus speaks to the Father on our behalf. Romans 8:34says that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” In 1 John 2:1 we read that Jesus is our “advocate with the Father,” and from Hebrews 7:25 we learn that Jesus “always lives to intercede” for us.



plus Jesus doesn’t know the day hour of his own return.

If he was fully God, then he would know when his return is imminent would he not?

◄ Mark 13:32 ►

Audio Cross Study Comm Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. New Living Translation “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. English Standard Version “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Berean Standard Bible No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Berean Literal Bible And concerning that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

I don’t believe he was / is fully God....I do believe that he was the only begotten / divine Son Of God.

Also why would God exalt his own name?...does that make sense, God exalted the Name Of Jesus did he not...Name above all other Names..?

◄ Philippians 2:9 ►

Audio Cross Study Comm Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, New Living Translation Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, English Standard Version Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, Berean Standard Bible Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, Berean Literal Bible Therefore God also highly exalted Him, and granted to Him the name above every name, King James Bible Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

He was/is God but being found in the form of a man, He laid down the powers of His Divinity in order to depend on the Father's power. That included laying down His omniscience sister...that 's why there were things that Jesus didn't know. It happened that the Father didn't reveal the day/hour of His return to Jesus. This is why there are things the Lord may not reveal to us either, because it is a way in which He always reserves the right to be God, so to speak.

And Jesus set the example for us, who likewise need to learn to rely on God, and no longer on our self or other people. Which includes relying on His wisdom and understanding, not on our own. He says to any that lack wisdom to ask HIM for it and He will give it liberally without upbraiding......and so I recommend you seek the LORD for understanding and answers to your questions.

 

[amigo de christo]

He was/is God but being found in the form of a man, He laid down the powers of His Divinity in order to depend on the Father's power. That included laying down His omniscience sister...that 's why there were things that Jesus didn't know. It happened that the Father didn't reveal the day/hour of His return to Jesus. This is why there are things the Lord may not reveal to us either, because it is a way in which He always reserves the right to be God, so to speak.

And Jesus set the example for us, who likewise need to learn to rely on God, and no longer on our self or other people. Which includes relying on His wisdom and understanding, not on our own. He says to any that lack wisdom to ask HIM for it and He will give it liberally without upbraiding......and so I recommend you seek the LORD for understanding and answers to your questions.

Remember when the jews boldy told Christ , IF YE are the CHRIST then tell us plainly .
He said i have but ye have not heard me . IT was HIS words and HIS actions PROVING ALL ALONG
HE was the CHRIST . but they did not hear them for as JESUS said to them YE are not my sheep .
MANY today now cry , BUT SHOW us where JESUS ever once said HE is GOD .
WELL i invite them to take a real good look at HIS OWN words .
IS GOD TRUTH . YES . IS GOD LIFE . YES .
I AM THE TRUTH THE LIFE and the way .
I AM the RESSURECTION . HE IS LIFE ITSELF as GOD IS LIFE .
GOD IS LIGHT and in HIM is no darkness and HIS LIGHT IS CHRIST JESUS .
GOD IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT and i think folks simply cannot grasp that .

 

[Lambano]

By making the term "God" an ousia ("essence" or "substance") describing the nature of a hypostasis ("person" or "fundamental state"), the Nicaean fathers effectively made Jesus a person whose essence was "God". This effectively justifies the NWT translation of John 1:2, "... and the Word was a god".

What was Jesus's "essence" in 30 A.D.?

Was Jesus's "essence" in existence before the creation of the universe?

What is Jesus's "essence" right now?

What will Jesus's "essence" be when He comes back to clean up the mess?

 

[Ritajanice]

Remember, Jesus and His Father are different persons.

Yes.God The Father.

Jesus the Son.

We the Born Again are partaker Of the divine nature...that doesn’t make us fully God.

 

[Lambano]

Verse please?

How 'bout this one?

 

[Ritajanice]

How 'bout this one?

Where is that saying that Jesus was fully God?

Why would God exalt himself?

Jesus has been exalted by His Father, do you know why?

 

[amigo de christo]

How 'bout this one?

Yes if one claims to abide In HE and HE IN US
they ought to WALK as HE DID .
He sure would never once have held up rainbows or kissed korans for world peace n safety .

 

[Lambano]

Yes.God The Father.

Jesus the Son.

We the Born Again are partaker Of the divine nature...that doesn’t make us fully God.

Then the question is, "What is the essential nature of Jesus, the Son of God?"

 

[Lambano]

Where is that saying that Jesus was fully God?

Verse 6. "Who, being in the form of God...."

That's a more literal translation of the Greek. This translation morphs morphe into "Nature", because something's "form" and "nature" are interrelated.

 

[Ritajanice]

Then the question is, "What is the essential nature of Jesus, the Son of God?"

Who said he had Gods nature?

Where does it say that?

His Spirit ,nature, will, was in line with his Father’s..he was fully obedient to his Father’s Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Verse 6. "Who, being in the form of God...."

That's a more literal translation of the Greek. This translation morphs morphe into "Nature", because something's "form" and "nature" are interrelated.

Which doesn’t make him fully God.

Not once did Jesus say that he was God.

Where does scripture say that Jesus had Gods own nature?

 

[Lambano]

Why would God exalt himself?

"God" means the person of "God the Father" in this context.

 

[APAK]

Understanding the Divinity of Jesus is to come to a more full and more complete understanding of Him.

Some would rather remain ignorant of this Truth regarding Jesus = who Himself said that He is "I AM".. which is God's name for Himself, as He gave it to Moses from the burning bush.

Trinity haters would remain willfully ignorant of the divinity of the "Word of God" who is "God manifested in the Flesh".

On the other hand you have those who are deceived also, who teach that you MUST believe in the Deity of Christ to be a Christian, and that is not true.

You said a lot of nothing, and again went extreme in your assumptions and opinions Behold. Maybe next time you might want to think more before write a post.

 

[Lambano]

Who said he had Gods nature?

Where does it say that?

Paul did, in Philippians 2:6. I posted a graphic of it in post #232 for your convenience.