So pre mills actually think when they come down to this earth after a rapture, their stuff left behind will still be there?

[Scott Downey]

As if I can pick up my old life again?
Drive my car down the street.
Sleep in my bed
Take a shower
Swim in the pool
Operate electrical tools.
Mow the grass.
Marry a wife, have sex and birth children
I recall them saying babies will be born.
Go to the temple and offer blood sacrifices for sins.
and so on, that is the impression I get from them.

 

[Gottservant]

I'm not sure what you prayed for, when you started this thread?

 

[Truth7t7]

As if I can pick up my old life again?
Drive my car down the street.
Sleep in my bed
Take a shower
Swim in the pool
Operate electrical tools.
Mow the grass.
Marry a wife, have sex and birth children
I recall them saying babies will be born.
Go to the temple and offer blood sacrifices for sins.
and so on, that is the impression I get from them.

Yes that's exactly what dispensationalism teaches, hard to believe but true

To think Jesus being on a literal throne in Jerusalem, watching mortal humans around him dying physical death "Morbid"

 

[Scott Downey]

Who will have children in the Millennium?

WHO WILL HAVE CHILDREN IN THE MILLENNIUM? by Shawn Brasseaux Before answering your question using the Bible, for the benefit of our readers unfamiliar with the passage to which you are referring, w…

forwhatsaiththescriptures.org

Example here

In Isaiah’s prophecy above, we see “a little child” (verse 6) leading the wolf, the lamb, the leopard, the kid (baby goat), the calf, the young lion, and the fatling (a young animal such as a calf or lamb). “The sucking [nursing] child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’s den” (verse 8). These human children are playing by the hole of the asp (a venomous snake) and by the den of the cockatrice (another type of venomous snake), and yet they are unharmed because the curse on creation has been lifted! From where did these human children come?

The greatest number of children born during the Millennium will evidently come from believing Gentiles who blessed believing Israel during the seven-year Tribulation. These Gentiles are described in Matthew 25:31-40 (which read in your Bible). Furthermore, there are a number of believing Jews who will not die during the seven-year Tribulation. In that group of Jewish believers, a large number of Jews will be hiding out in the wilderness, free from the wrath of the Antichrist, God taking care of them until the seven years end (Revelation 12:5-6,13-17). Believing Jews (we do not know the exact number) will be physically alive to see Jesus Christ literally come back to Earth at His Second Coming (Zechariah 13:8-9; cf. Zechariah 12:10; Matthew 24:30-31; Mark 13:26-27; Luke 21:27-28). Evidently, these Jews, having never died, will also enter the 1,000-Year Reign of Jesus Christ with the ability to reproduce.

CONCLUSION

Considering what the Lord Jesus said in Matthew 22:30, and what Isaiah wrote in chapter 11, the children born during the Millennium will be the children of believing Jew and believing Gentile parents who survived Daniel’s 70th week, those who never died, those who did not receive resurrected bodies.

 

[Scott Downey]

animal sacrifices for sin in Ezekiel's temple

Q: Why will people offer animal sacrifices in the Millennial Temple? – Israel My Glory

israelmyglory.org

Q: Why will people offer animal sacrifices in the Millennial Temple?​

People often ask, “If Jesus’ sacrifice was the only efficacious, once-for-all sacrifice to expiate sin (Heb. 9:12), why should animal sacrifices, which could never take away sin (10:4), be offered in the Millennial Temple during the Millennium?”

It is true the sacrifices in the Millennial Temple will not expiate sin, just as the Mosaic offerings could not take away sin (v. 4). Many conservative commentators believe these offerings will be memorials, similar to communion that Christians take in remembrance of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. They believe the offerings will serve as visible reminders of Christ’s efficacious work.

Although true, it seems these sacrifices also will have an additional function. Scripture says they will be offered “to make atonement for the house of Israel” (Ezek. 45:17; cf. vv. 15, 20). This sacrificial system will not constitute a return to the Old Testament Mosaic Covenant or Law but will be a new system set up by the Lord with a dispensational distinctive applicable to the Millennial Kingdom.

The Hebrew word for atonement means “covering.” The blood sacrifices that made atonement never removed sin; they simply covered it, staving off God’s divine anger and punishment by providing a ransom. Christ’s death on the cross—not the Levitical sacrificial system—made it possible for people’s sins to be taken away.

The animal sacrifices during the Millennium will primarily remove ceremonial uncleanness and prevent human defilement of the Millennial Temple. This system will be needed because God’s glorious presence will again dwell on Earth in the midst of sinners.
This purging act propitiates God, enabling Him to dwell among
His people.

The atonement-cleansing was necessary in Leviticus because the Shekinah Glory dwelt in the Tabernacle (Ex. 40:34). God resided in the midst of sinful, unclean people. Similarly, Ezekiel predicted the return of God’s glory to the Millennial Temple. Thus people worshiping at the Temple will need to atone for their uncleanness, so it won’t cause defilement.

The future animal sacrifices will not deal with eternal salvation but, rather, with finite cleansing of impurities from everyone who survived the Great Tribulation (they will have mortal bodies) and the children born to them during Christ’s thousand-year reign. Those born will still have to trust Christ by faith to become saved.

 

[Scott Downey]

Who will occupy the Millennial Kingdom? | GotQuestions.org

Who will occupy / populate the Millennial Kingdom? Who will be allowed to enter the 1000-year Millennial Kingdom of Christ?

www.gotquestions.org

During the millennial kingdom, the saints in earthly, natural bodies will enjoy long lives (Isaiah 65:20), and they will produce children. By the end of the thousand years, the world is fully populated, and there are many—“in number they are like the sand on the seashore”—who rebel against the Lord (Revelation 20:7–8).

Children born during the millennial kingdom will have the responsibility to exercise faith in Christ, the same as all people of past ages. Some of those born during the millennial kingdom will choose to not believe. That is why Scripture speaks of those who die under a curse (Isaiah 65:20) and why the Lord lays out consequences for nations that do not worship Him: “If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain” (Zechariah 14:17).

For a further look at who will live in the millennial kingdom, see these passages: Isaiah 2:2–4; Zechariah 14:8–21; Ezekiel 34:17–24; Daniel 7:13–14; Micah 4:1–5.

 

[Scott Downey]

I'm not sure what you prayed for, when you started this thread?

Exposure, do you understand what the pre mills actually believe?

 

[Scott Downey]

 

[Gottservant]

Exposure, do you understand what the pre mills actually believe?

I think you're going to get to Heaven, and you are not going to care?

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus contrarily to these doctrines says this about marriage in the resurrection, there is none.
Whereas like the Dr Jeremiah blog says everyone in the Millenium will start out saved, but some will marry and have children.
And their kids will fight against Christ's rule on the earth.


Mark 12
24 Jesus answered and said to them, “Are you not therefore [a]mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God?

25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

 

[Scott Downey]

I think you're going to get to Heaven, and you are not going to care?

This forum is about the end, eschatology discussion.
Sure, I wont care as my citizenship is in heaven as is yours. Not all have the same faith, some believe very differently.

 

[Gottservant]

This forum is about the end, eschatology discussion.
Sure, I wont care as my citizenship is in heaven as is yours. Not all have the same faith, some believe very differently.

I'm not trying to corner you, I'm just saying "try to speak from a position of authority" (where you are going to end up, will give you authority)

 

[marks]

Exposure, do you understand what the pre mills actually believe?

If you think I think I'm coming back to drive a car around that's absurd. I'm seeing a mix of truth and falsehood mixed together to make us sound ridiculous.

So having said that, have a nice thread! Y'all can have a grand ole' time celebrating how stupid us pre-mils are!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes that's exactly what dispensationalism teaches, hard to believe but true

If that's what you think, you obviously are not the right spokesman for premil views. Enjoy! I'm sure you all will!

Much love!

 

[Scott Downey]

If you think I think I'm coming back to drive a car around that's absurd. I'm seeing a mix of truth and falsehood mixed together to make us sound ridiculous.

So having said that, have a nice thread! Y'all can have a grand ole' time celebrating how stupid us pre-mils are!

Much love!

Prove me wrong...

 

[Truth7t7]

If that's what you think, you obviously are not the right spokesman for premil views. Enjoy! I'm sure you all will!

Much love!

Dwight Pentecost was a modern father of dispensationalism, and it's head quarters at Dallas Theological Seminary, he's one of its authoritative voices regarding dispensationalism

Yes Pentecost taught that Jesus is going to return to this earth leaving the right hand of the father and take a literal physical throne in Jerusalem amongst mortal humans in earthly dying bodies, that will surround him on a throne in Jerusalem as seen in "Bold Red" below (A Lie)!

Any physical body taking a throne in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Jesus Christ, this will be the false christ, the man of sin, the beast, the antichrist

Jesus returns in fire and final Judgement dissolving the heavens and earth at his return, the unsaved wicked will be destroyed by this fire judgement complete eternity begins

Wikipedia: J. Dwight Pentecost​

Pentecost held a B.A. from Hampden–Sydney College (1937) and Th.M. (1941) and Th.D. (1956) degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary. During his academic career he taught biblical subjects for over 60 years (Philadelphia College of Bible, 1948–55; Dallas Theological Seminary, 1955–2014). He was Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Bible Exposition at DTS, one of only two so honored.[2]

Doctrine of the Second Coming
Dwight Pentecost

Source: See page 392 in Things to Come

Concerning the second advent certain facts may be observed.

C. The second advent is necessary. The large body of unfulfilled prophecy makes the second advent absolutely essential.49 It has been promised that He shall come Himself (Acts 1:11); that the dead will hear His voice (John 5:28); that He will minister unto His watching servants (Luke 12:37); that He will come to earth again (Acts 1:11), to the same Mount Olivet from which He ascended (Zech. 14:4), in flaming fire (2 Thess. 1:8), in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (Matt. 24:30; 1 Pet. 1:7; 4:13), and stand upon the earth (Job 19:25); that His saints (the church) shall come with Him (1 Thess. 3:13; Jude 14); that every eye shall see Him (Rev. 1:7); that He shall destroy Antichrist (2 Thess. 2:8); that He shall sit on His throne (Matt. 25:-31; Rev. 5:13); that all nations will be gathered before Him and He will judge them (Matt. 25:32); that He shall have the throne of David (Isa. 9:6-7; Luke 1:32; Ezek. 21:25-27); that it will be upon the earth (Jer. 23:5-6); that He shall have a kingdom (Dan. 7:13-14); and rule over it with His saints (Dan. 7:18-27; Rev. 5: 10); that all kings and nations shall serve Him (Ps. 72:11; Isa. 49:6-7; Rev. 15:4); that the kingdoms of this world shall become His kingdom (Zech. 9:10; Rev. 11:15); that the people shall gather unto Him (Gen. 49:10); that every knee shall bow to Him (Isa. 45:23); that they shall come and worship the King (Zech. 14:16; Ps. 86:9); that He shall build up Zion (Ps. 102:16); that His throne shall be in Jerusalem (Jer. 3:17; Isa. 33:20-21); that the Apostles shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel (Matt. 19:28; Luke 22:28-30); that He shall rule all nations (Ps. 2:8-9; Rev. 2:27); that He shall rule with judgment and justice (Ps. 9:7); that the temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt (Ezek. 40—48), and the glory of the Lord will come into it (Ezek. 43:2-5; 44:4); that the glory of the Lord will be revealed (Isa. 40:5); that the wilderness shall be a fruitful field (Isa. 32: 15); that the desert will blossom as the rose (Isa. 35:1-2); and His rest shall be glorious (Isa. 11:10). The entire covenant program with Israel, which has not yet been fulfilled, necessitates the second advent of Messiah to the earth. The principle of literal fulfillment makes it essential that Christ return.

 

[Truth7t7]

Prove me wrong...

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 52-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[BarneyFife]

No

 

[ewq1938]

So pre mills actually think when they come down to this earth after a rapture, their stuff left behind will still be there?​

That is not part of Premill. People's "stuff" will be irrelevant.

 

[Keraz]

Jesus contrarily to these doctrines says this about marriage in the resurrection, there is none.
Whereas like the Dr Jeremiah blog says everyone in the Millenium will start out saved, but some will marry and have children.
And their kids will fight against Christ's rule on the earth.
Mark 12
24 Jesus answered and said to them, “Are you not therefore [a]mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God?
25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

You confuse and mix up the four stages of mankind's redemption, since Jesus came.
1/ Our situation for the last 2000 years and now:
The acceptance of Christianity by many people, but mainly those actually descended from the House of Israel. The ten Northern tribes.
The fulfilment of Jesus' Promise; Matthew 15:24 & Matthew 21:43

2/ Soon to happen:
The terrible world changer of the Lords Day of fiery wrath, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17
All of the faithful Christian peoples will gather into all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, Revelation 7:9
They will at last; be the people God always wanted there. His Witnesses and His Light to the nations.

3/ Jesus Returns:
All the wicked peoples destroyed. The people will live in peace and prosperity, under the benign Kingship of Jesus. People will still marry, procreate and die, albeit for much longer lives. Isaiah 65:20
But near the end of that thousand years, Satan will be released and he will be successful in seducing many to rebel against Jesus.
I think that all of the original people in the Millennium will have died by then.

God will burn up all of those rebels and Satan as well. He will Judge everyone who has ever lived, including those who remain alive at that time; 1 Corinthians 15:50-56

4/ Eternity:
Those whose name are found in the Book of Life, will go with God into Eternity, as Spiritual beings. Mark 12:25, Revelation 21:3-4