Grailhunter
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Ya right, I don't think they took their swords.I don't remember the early church complaining because Rome had taken their swords.
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Ya right, I don't think they took their swords.I don't remember the early church complaining because Rome had taken their swords.
LolWe're in the middle of a WINTER STORM, and I figured what would NORMALLY be THIN ICE, might have been a LITTLE THICKER.
It seems I FIGURED WRONG!
WITH VERY BEST REGARDS,
... says the guy now sitting in a corner, -- Bobby Jo![]()
Old news, N2. Not worth getting back into.
As far as I know, only Enoch and Elijah (in the bible) did not see death (physical) So, I suppose we can presume it can happen again and Jesus actually say's that some will (remain (alive) to be taken after those who have already died)
I don't think that Hebrews 9:27 is saying everyone MUST die but, WHEN one dies they go to the judgement. Christians will not be judged for their sin, but will be judged by what they did or did not do in their bodies on earth, not to be sent to hell but, for rewards...I really do not believe everyone will be, across the board, given the same glory but, will have different heights perhaps. Some will be punished with many stripes, some with few... Luke 12:47, 48.
As far as "when" Christ takes us from the earth, I'm back and forth it seems, on Mid or Post...cannot say as, just don't know!
Anyhow, I can see why this might bother you as, it does seem contradictory. I'm not saying I am correct here bro, just my take. :)
The Second Coming is given in verse 1. Everything else that comes after verse 1 happens after the Second Coming according to Paul.
The deception by Satan started when Daniel claims, almost 2500 years ago, with the Greeks. Paul says it was at work during his days, the first century. Any attempt to expose Satan was squashed, and a lot of believers were martyred by the Roman church, herself. What Paul declared has happened. Yet Satan will not jump the gun, if he can help it. He will continue to deceive without being exposed, and no one can give the time of the Second Coming. Hint, it is not 42 months after Satan already established the AoD. Every one claims to know that event, but the Second Coming cannot be known.
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Well if you accept Satan has been deceiving the world for 2500 years, then you know who the deceiver and lawless one is. That is about as big a revelation you may get about Satan. Satan sends his False Prophet first.No , that can't be correct, yes verse one is the 2nd coming, however ,as he (Paul )stated, that Day can't and won't come until after all the verses after verse one happens .
The deception starts after satan arrives ,don't get me wrong ,people are being deceived now but the below has not come to pass
Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."
This beast coming up out of the earth looks like a Lamb [Jesus Christ], yet he speaks like a dragon; because he is the dragon [Satan]. He claims to be Jesus, and most Christians will believe him.
Revelation 13:12 "And he exerciseth all the power [authority] of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."
Satan [the Antichrist] uses all the power and authority he has, because it is given to him by God. God allowed the "one worldism" to take place, because it is in God's plan. He gave us that plan, and that is what we are studying now. It is Satan that will cause the wounded political beast, "one world system" to come back together after it falls apart. Then that system, and all the people on the face of the earth will worship Satan. All, except the elect of God, and those sealed in their minds.
Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."
Satan will snap his fingers and lightning will come down from heaven. Satan will bring miracles, and supernatural wonders with him, and these wonders are given by God to perform to test the people of the world.
Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."
This is the whole object for the great tribulation. "DECEPTION"! Satan is going to make an image of this "one world system" [religious beast] and breath life into system. Their will be something symbolic created within the system that will cause the whole world to bow. This reminds me of the "image" created in Babylon's "one world government" under king Nebuchadnezzar, in Daniel 3. At that time there were only three that would not bow to the image.
I know the 2nd coming can't be known ,however we are to know the season .
What Paul wrote has not happened as satan has not arrived on this earth
You giving types of what happened then that will happen again ,but much deeper
I Corinthians 10:11 "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."
"Ensamples" in the manuscripts is the Greek word "tupos", number 5179 in the Strong's Greek dictionary. "a sample, or type; i.e. a model for imitation, a fashion, for manner, or form." So Paul is telling us that those things that we read about in the Old Testament, of the events of the prophets of old are examples of what we should be looking for in our day. This is written to alert all people to be aware of how it shall be before Christ returns. What was written in the Exodus, or in Amos is written as examples for our admonition or warning. All of the Scriptures is given as a warning to those who are living in the times of the ends of this world age of the flesh. We will see the end of the flesh age come to a close, and there are many things that will come to pass right before our eyes that were written about in detail way back in the Old Testament time, and Paul is telling you and I to wake up to those warnings.
Each of the events that took place, the opening of the Red sea, the building of the false religious forms, and so on. God is telling us "look little children that is what is going to happen to you at the close of this earth age". We are living in that age, and these things are happening now. Can you learn by this? It is so simple. God did not leave us helpless nor hopeless in these end times, and that is why we must become skilled in all of His Word. It is all an example of what is going to befall us in our generation.
Now back to Paul and why what you said can't be after the 2nd coming
II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"
The subject is our gathering back to Christ, ie His return ,now what does the next 2 verse say ?
II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is [the Lord is just] at hand."
Paul is saying, don't let anyone trouble you [confuse you], and tell you that the "day of Christ" is at hand. The "day of Christ [the Lord]" is the day when Jesus Christ will return to earth, and gather His saints to Him. This gathering will happen at the sounding of the seventh trumpet. This is one of those tradition's of men [false doctrines] that can deceive you.
II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
What day? He told us in verse one, in other words how can His coming be after the things of verse one , when he's telling us everything that must and will happen before verse one takes place ?
Well if you accept Satan has been deceiving the world for 2500 years, then you know who the deceiver and lawless one is. That is about as big a revelation you may get about Satan. Satan sends his False Prophet first.
Also the 7th Trumpet is when Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven. They were loosed when the 5th Trumpet allowed the pit to be opened up. So between the 5th Trumpet and the 7th Thunder, Satan will be gathering his angel army and setting up the FP.
What has to happen first is Christ coming to gather the final harvest before Satan gets a chance. So of you accept Satan is the one who has deceived the world since he gave knowledge to the Greeks, you know more than Paul gives us. Paul just knew Satan was already at work. But he would continue to stay behind the scenes until he thinks he can get an advantage over Christ. The Second Coming will definitely reveal all the deception.
both these scriptures have been misapplied in your post n2thelight!The key to understand that the location of this happening is in Jerusalem, is in the term, "Where also our Lord was crucified." Jerusalem was referred to as "Sodom and Egypt" in Isaiah 1:9-10, and Ezekiel 16:46, as well as many other passages. The Holy Spirit of God, thus points to Jerusalem as the only place possible, to make that location completely clear.
What has to happen first is Christ coming to gather the final harvest before Satan gets a chance.
both these scriptures have been misapplied in your post n2thelight!
They have been taken from their context and superimposed on a faulty interpretationHow so ?
They have been taken from their context and superimposed on a faulty interpretation
its speaking in metaphor re this matterWhat's faulty, the location of Christ crucifixion ,as that was the point ?
I don’t really know that much about Seventh Day Adventist, but in all honesty I am non denominational now.As most of you know, I am a Seventh Day Adventist. We believe we have a prophet. Before being an Adventist however I was 15 years a pentecostal. I attended numerous meetings where people would 'prophesy', giving a word of encouragement, warning, knowledge, whatever, that they believed was coming from God. I did on occasions myself. Some may have been genuine, some just people wanting attention. Others, just mistaken... They were hearing their own egos, or the devil, but certainly not God. I do believe in the gifts of the Spirit. Absolutely. But when it comes to the more recent so called manifestations with regard politics and the affairs of this world, I think the so called prophets are just off the charts altogether. Just sayin.
So sorry, what an awful thing to have happened xxxxI hear you. I and my family have experienced spiritual abuse exploiting and counterfeiting spiritual gifts.
Our former pastor spoke a "word of knowledge" over my husband from the pulpit... "Brother ___ is afraid that he will come home from work one night to find that his entire family is burned up in a house fire." I asked my husband if this was something he'd spoken to the pastor. He said no. (It was a threat given covertly to us because we were planning to leave the church.)
1. The local fire department was founded by our former pastor.
2. The local fire department was filled with "volunteers" 98% from our church.
3. After we left the church, our barn was arsoned.
4. The arson was after my children and I were sexually assaulted/tortured inside our barn on the 2yr anniversary of my decision to leave the church.
Idk why exactly I'm sharing that, except to confirm that the true spiritual gifts can be counterfeited and used in very corrupt ways.
Do you understand what BLM stands for? What did BLM do other than demand justice ?
What is Black Lives Matter?
Black Lives Matter was founded by Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi as both a hashtag and a political project after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the 2012 killing of Trayvon Martin. Distraught at the verdict, Oakland, Calif., community activist Garza wrote an impassioned Facebook plea ending with the words "black lives matter." Cullors, a community organizer from Los Angeles, shared the Facebook post and put a hashtag in front of those three words. The ideals expressed — the economic, political and social empowerment of African-Americans — resonated nationwide.
Black Lives Matter: A primer on what it is and what it stands for (usatoday.com)
You have a problem with that ?