Silence in heaven - Revelation

[CTK]

Again, just started to look into Revelation and just wanted to throw a question out there....

When Jesus opens the 7th seal there is a silence in heaven. Does this mean that all believers have been raptured into the presence of God and now the judgement on all who rejected Him would begin on the earth?

 

[ewq1938]

Again, just started to look into Revelation and just wanted to throw a question out there....

When Jesus opens the 7th seal there is a silence in heaven. Does this mean that all believers have been raptured into the presence of God and now the judgement on all who rejected Him would begin on the earth?

Doesn't sound like a time that would have silence, nor does the bible say the raptured saints go to heaven anyways. IMO it's more related to when satan and his angels are kicked out of heaven and those in heaven are silent as they watch what happens on Earth at this time.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Rev 8:1

• And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

God silenced in heaven means God silenced on Earth. No Word of Truth from heaven means no Word of truth in the kingdom of heaven on Earth, which is the Church. A silence meaning the Word of God is no longer proclaimed there in the church, and ultimately, it is God's doing as the beginning of His judgment.

Lam 2:8-10

• The LORD hath purposed to destroy the wall of the daughter of Zion: he hath stretched out a line, he hath not withdrawn his hand from destroying: therefore he made the rampart and the wall to lament; they languished together.
• Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD.
• The elders of the daughter of Zion sit upon the ground, and keep silence: they have cast up dust upon their heads; they have girded themselves with sackcloth: the virgins of Jerusalem hang down their heads to the ground.

Silence indeed means the Lord is not speaking, nor saving, because His judgment is upon His house just as it was upon Israel over 2000 years ago. Why? Because God has finished sealing all of His People before Satan is loosened. This is why after the beast comes out of bottomless pit, he will kill Two Witnesses. Not physically but silence our truthful testimony so the day of salvation has ended and the judgment of the unfaithful church has come.

Now what does half an hour mean? God is NOT talking about 30 minutes of silence here!! Rather it is symbolic of the first half of the judgment of God upon His unfaithful people who spiritually become as Babylon, which judgment is spoken of as coming in "one hour". The first part of one hour is the silence first! About an hour! And then God pours out His judgment upon them. Again, much like with Old Testament Isreal where there was 400 (signifying testing) years of silence before the first coming of Christ and his judgment upon them. In Revelation, this hour of judgment upon the New Testament congregation is broken down between the witnesses being killed and their call by God to come out of Babylon. Thus the 1/2 hour represents the first half of that hour of trail. Selah! We are either faithful and kept from succumbing to false prophets and christs, or refuse to receive the love of truth and remain to be judged of God over that hour period of time. We will either be partaker with Babylon the Great in her sins, or come out of her that we won't be. For example:

Revelation 3:10

• "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

Revelation 14:7-8

• "Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
• And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

Revelation 17:12

• "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

Revelation 18:4-5

• "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
• For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."

Revelation 18:10

• "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come."

This one hour where the Lord judges that unfaithful city (the church) compasses the first 1/2 hour where they are within her, and the second 1/2 where they have come out and she is left desolate until Christ returns.

Selah!

 

[quietthinker]

Again, just started to look into Revelation and just wanted to throw a question out there....

When Jesus opens the 7th seal there is a silence in heaven. Does this mean that all believers have been raptured into the presence of God and now the judgement on all who rejected Him would begin on the earth?

Silence in Heaven!...I'd say the angels are gob smacked. They are at a loss for words for HOW God has dealt with the sin problem.

 

[Galgal]

Again, just started to look into Revelation and just wanted to throw a question out there....

When Jesus opens the 7th seal there is a silence in heaven. Does this mean that all believers have been raptured into the presence of God and now the judgement on all who rejected Him would begin on the earth?

"Half an hour" is approximately half a month. There is a standard substitution, when 1 day is considered equal to a year (Ezekiel 4:6). The first seal is the news that the Third Temple will be built in the Judean desert, according to the prophecy of Ezekiel, and there, in the Temple, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will take place, Who will be incarnated in people who entered the eastern gate of the Temple during the 10 days from Yom Teruah to Yom Kippur. This breaks all religious ideas of believers. All other "seals" follow from this. The sixth seal, when mountains and islands begin to move from their places, means that the Teachings ("mountains") and religious platforms ("islands") are forced to urgently correct due to their obvious erroneousness. For example, the platforms of pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation and post-tribulation - all are erroneous, because they do not understand the essence of the Second Coming of Christ, Who will now appear in people, in believers from the Philadelphia Church of Revelation.

Most believers, it seems to me, do not even understand that we now live in heaven:

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: (Ephesians 2:6)

We live in heaven if we are in Christ. I suspect that many Christians today are not in Christ because they live like everyone else in this world.

But God will not do anything for them, the Sermon on the Mount was written for all of us to do as it is written there. Only then will we be in Christ and in heaven, and that must be here and now. "The Rapture of the Church" is a deeply erroneous term that misleads everyone. In reality, the "Rapture of the Church" will be the taking of the faithful part of Christ's believers to the Lord in Israel, after the Lord becomes incarnate there in the people who entered the eastern gate of the Third Temple. "Caught up" means "taken" (as in John 6:15), "clouds" means "crowds" (as in Hebrews 12:1), "in the air" means "in the midst of this world" (as in Ephesians 2:2). No one will fly away anywhere, the Kingdom of Heaven is within us and we live there (or we don’t live there, but we live “on earth” - in religious denominations, or “at sea” - in the midst of the unbelieving world).

 

[Keraz]

Revelation 8:1 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about a half hour.
We are clearly told that the ‘about a half hour’, is in heaven. Time in heaven is not and cannot be the same as earthly time, heaven doesn’t rotate or orbit the sun. God is eternal, His ways are not our ways. Anyway, the Bible informs us twice that one day in heaven is like [as] 1000 years on earth. Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 Genesis speaks of ‘6 days’ of creation, it seems more logical that they were actually 1000 year periods, or allegorically pointing to God’s 7000 year Plan for the earth.

We have a date for the completion of the 6000 year era of mankind’s rule, obtained from the careful addition of the given Biblical time periods and the commencement of Jesus’ ministry in 29/30 AD. Luke 3:1 2

The three tranches of 2000 years: Adam to Abraham, Abraham to Jesus. The first Advent to the glorious Return, then the thousand year Millennium reign of King Jesus. Gods 7000 year Plan for Mankind on the physical earth.

It had been assumed that the ‘half hour’ starts soon after the Sixth Seal and finishes at the commencement of the Trumpet and Bowl punishments of the Great Tribulation. That is: 3½ years before the Return. But the Sixth Seal commences the Wrath of God and the Lamb, Rev. 6:17, then we see it isn’t until the completion of the Great Tribulation, that the Wrath of God is finished. Revelation 15:1

The calculation of 1000 divided by 48 gives us a heavenly half-hour of about 20 earth years. But that is only the centre of a range of years possible because it is "about" a half-hour.

Calculating the range of years is based upon statistical rules: Since the text tells us a half-hour, we examine the next divisible time period which is a quarter-hour. We simply find the distance between 30 minutes and 15 minutes (above and below) and find the half-way points. This gives us +/- 5 centred on 20 years. Therefore the range is from 15 years to 25 years. If the actual year is outside of this range, then the Revelation account would have read "about a quarter of an hour” or “about three-quarters of an hour." But, Revelation says "about a half-hour." Thus we know it can't be outside the range of 15 to 25 years (including anything in between) otherwise "about an half-hour" would be wrong .

Therefore if, as seems likely, if the Sixth Seal – the great and terrible Day of the Lord, happens very soon – then the Seventh Seal follows immediately afterwards. So that will be the period of ‘silence in heaven’ but of tumult and huge changes on earth! As Revelation 8 to 19:10 tells us.

A lot must happen during that time – the regeneration of the Land, many prophesies about that – the Lord will send rain. Then the gathering, and settling of His people, again many prophecies – houses rebuilt, land productive... The selection of the 144,000, The Gog Magog attack and 7 years clean up. The treaty with the Anti-Christ, the AoD in the new Temple and 3½ years of the Great Tribulation. Then the glorious Return in 2031.

It all fits and I see the Hand of God in it.

 

[quietthinker]

Revelation 8:1 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about a half hour.
We are clearly told that the ‘about a half hour’, is in heaven. Time in heaven is not and cannot be the same as earthly time, heaven doesn’t rotate or orbit the sun. God is eternal, His ways are not our ways. Anyway, the Bible informs us twice that one day in heaven is like [as] 1000 years on earth. Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 Genesis speaks of ‘6 days’ of creation, it seems more logical that they were actually 1000 year periods, or allegorically pointing to God’s 7000 year Plan for the earth.

We have a date for the completion of the 6000 year era of mankind’s rule, obtained from the careful addition of the given Biblical time periods and the commencement of Jesus’ ministry in 29/30 AD. Luke 3:1 2

The three tranches of 2000 years: Adam to Abraham, Abraham to Jesus. The first Advent to the glorious Return, then the thousand year Millennium reign of King Jesus. Gods 7000 year Plan for Mankind on the physical earth.

It had been assumed that the ‘half hour’ starts soon after the Sixth Seal and finishes at the commencement of the Trumpet and Bowl punishments of the Great Tribulation. That is: 3½ years before the Return. But the Sixth Seal commences the Wrath of God and the Lamb, Rev. 6:17, then we see it isn’t until the completion of the Great Tribulation, that the Wrath of God is finished. Revelation 15:1

The calculation of 1000 divided by 48 gives us a heavenly half-hour of about 20 earth years. But that is only the centre of a range of years possible because it is "about" a half-hour.

Calculating the range of years is based upon statistical rules: Since the text tells us a half-hour, we examine the next divisible time period which is a quarter-hour. We simply find the distance between 30 minutes and 15 minutes (above and below) and find the half-way points. This gives us +/- 5 centred on 20 years. Therefore the range is from 15 years to 25 years. If the actual year is outside of this range, then the Revelation account would have read "about a quarter of an hour” or “about three-quarters of an hour." But, Revelation says "about a half-hour." Thus we know it can't be outside the range of 15 to 25 years (including anything in between) otherwise "about an half-hour" would be wrong .

Therefore if, as seems likely, if the Sixth Seal – the great and terrible Day of the Lord, happens very soon – then the Seventh Seal follows immediately afterwards. So that will be the period of ‘silence in heaven’ but of tumult and huge changes on earth! As Revelation 8 to 19:10 tells us.

A lot must happen during that time – the regeneration of the Land, many prophesies about that – the Lord will send rain. Then the gathering, and settling of His people, again many prophecies – houses rebuilt, land productive... The selection of the 144,000, The Gog Magog attack and 7 years clean up. The treaty with the Anti-Christ, the AoD in the new Temple and 3½ years of the Great Tribulation. Then the glorious Return in 2031.

It all fits and I see the Hand of God in it.

....you interpret as would 'men' Keraz. You interpret as did the Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes......and my guess is, you don't have a clue what I'm saying.

 

[TribulationSigns]

It all fits and I see the Hand of God in it.

Not at all. You threw in with many private opinions and interpretations without Scripture support whatsoever here as you did with the Sun.

And by the way, the heaven in Revelation 8:1 is not third heaven where God is, but rather the kingdom of heaven on Earth. It is the congregation on Earth that represents God's kingdom. Silence indeed means the Lord is not speaking, nor saving, because His judgment is coming upon His unfaithful house (congregation) as the rest of the context in Revelation 8 shows!

 

[ewq1938]

And by the way, the heaven in Revelation 8:1 is not third heaven where God is, but rather the kingdom of heaven on Earth. It is the congregation on Earth that represents God's kingdom.

The conext shows that Earth is elsewhere so heaven there is the actual heaven not a kingdom of heaven on Earth:

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Silence indeed means the Lord is not speaking, nor saving, because His judgment is coming upon His unfaithful house (congregation) as the rest of the context in Revelation 8 shows!

There is nothing in the passage suggesting only God is silent. It says heaven is silent, so it is everyone and everything in heaven being silent. It is also actual heaven not what you are suggesting.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The conext shows that Earth is elsewhere so heaven there is the actual heaven not a kingdom of heaven on Earth:

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.





There is nothing in the passage suggesting only God is silent. It says heaven is silent, so it is everyone and everything in heaven being silent. It is also actual heaven not what you are suggesting.

The heaven "IS" the kingdom of Heaven. Period. You already forgot that Two Witnesses are Christians who were empowered by God to preach Gospel to the world while Satan was bound. After this, the beast comes out of bottomless pit and will be able to overcome and kill (silence) Two Witnesses. They are spokesmen of God on Earth but without them, God is silent in church. And do you know what the Earth in verse 5 represents where the fire of the altar (prayers of the Saints - the one who have been silenced and prayed to God to avenge them) is cast on it, humm?

Rev 13:13-14
(13) And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
(14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 20:7-10
(7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
(8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
(10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Do you understand what these verses talk about?

The Bible does NOT say the beast "called" down fire from heaven, it says he does great wonders so that he makes fire to come down from heaven. That's not semantics, it's a very different idea from him calling down fire from heaven "as if" he were a prophet. No! The real question is, "HOW does he make fire come down from heaven?" Does he call or command it to come from heaven (as is the implication you may be making), or in context does he cause it to come down "BY" the great wonders he does, which are clearly an abomination to God. When you look at the passage carefully, that's exactly what he does. And the additional passage I gave in Revelation 20:9 makes it plain that it is correct that he caused it to come down by his actions against God's church (camp of the saints), including killing two witnesses, which is why God consequently sent it to destroy them. Again:

Revelation 20:9

• "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

Fire came down from heaven to devour the beast because it compassed or encircled the camp of the saints - the CHURCH! For example, it's judgment upon them, not something they themselves wanted and so called it down upon themselves. They weren't seeking judgment upon themselves, they were seeking converts as they were under strong delusion in thinking they were doing God a service. In Biblical context we see that these are the "deceived." The beast or false prophets cannot call fire from heaven anymore than the false prophets in Elijah's day could call down fire from heaven. However, they did make or cause fire to come down from heaven to devour them "because" of their abominations. God is using their own abominations as judgment upon themselves! Selah!

As saith the preacher, there is nothing new under the sun, yep!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Here is something extra to explain about the purpose of cast fire on false prophets in the church:
Matthew 24:24

• "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

Yes, their works (abominations) are a sign. And their works "are" so deceptive that it might even deceive the very elect if that were possible! Thus it cannot be miraculous literal signs, because that would fool no one but the gullible. The signs are false teachings so cleverly put forth as to actually be believable to most professing Christians. There isn't any literal miracles even close to deceiving the elect, but what is close to deceiving them are the signs which are doctrines that appear righteous, but that re actually transgressions of God's laws. i.e., lawlessness masquerading as love, anti-lordship policies, free will, sentimentality over obedience, grace by works, workless grace, situational ethics, immorality disguised as liberty, etc., etc. Iniquity abounds because it is like that--it dresses itself up to appear to be fair, good and righteousness. Satan isn't called the great deceiver and the father of lies for nothing. It's because he hopes you don't know his names and recognize his deceits.

Isaiah 30:8-13

• " Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
• That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
• Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
• Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.
• Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:
• Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant."

The false Christs and false prophets do arise and do show forth great signs and wonders. The sun is tuned into darkness and the stars fall from heaven because they are false prophets. If that's not a sign, I don't know what signs are. And these signs are so deceptive that if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect. However, God has opened the eyes of the elect that they not only "see" the signs, but more importantly recognize them for what they really are. Not worldly, earthly or physical, but spiritual. Now let read Matthew 24:24:

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Because the signs are spiritual, they are the same signs that were taking place when Christ came the first time as the Sun was turned into blood and

Joel 3:15-16

• "The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
• The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel."

The end result was that the Lord cleanse the blood of people that He had not cleansed (gentiles), and the New Testament church was established. The stars didn't literally/physically withdraw their shinning or fall from the heavens, this all indicated the darkness in apostasy that was in Israel as the messengers of God fell away from Him and the Kingdom taken from them. God's definition of signs, not the false teachers definition.

Acts 2:16-21

• "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
• And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
• And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
• And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
• The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
• And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Did the moon literally/physically turn into blood? The answer of course is no. And yet this was the fulfillment of the signs prophesied in Joel of the fall of the Old Testament congregation. Likewise, when the church falls away from God in this same way, these same sns show themselves. The Sun being dark, the moon bnot giving her light and the stars falling from heaven. Signs of the apostasy, the falling away, the fall of what is spiritually Babylon. Bottom line, it isd the false prophets working so tremendously that is the sign hat would even deceive the elect if that were possible. By the grace of God, it is not possible. Why?

John 8:46-47

• "Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
• He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."

Even so, either convict Christ of sin and reject Him or if you cannot, then that beg the question, "why were they standing against His claims and proclamations?" The fact was, they couldn't hear Christ's words on a spiritual level because they didn't have the Spirit to do so. He that is of God hears God's words, and therefore if they could not hear them,tey were not of God. The True believers have God's word as their ultimate authority, therefore they receive His word. When God says the stars are the messengers of the church, they receive hat. When God says the church is a candlestick (or lamp stand) that is not to be hid under a bushel, they believe that. Because when the light goes out, the candlestick is useless as a source of light. That's a sign. Not a miraculous sign as Charismatics and Pentecostals believe messengers can do, but God authored signs. A sign that God has sent fire down from heaven upon them.

Ezekiel 9:5-6

• "And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
• Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house."

Same as the fire from the mouth of the two witnesses that slaw the wicked. It's the judgment of God upon the false.

1st Peter 4:17

• "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

Contrary to what some professed Christians believe about a church never being judged, all must pass under the judgment of God, and God's own household first (just as the congregation Israel because we are no better).

 

[ewq1938]

You already forgot that Two Witnesses are Christians who were empowered by God to preach Gospel to the world while Satan was bound.

satan isn't bound and imprisoned during the time of the two witnesses. There also is nothing about preaching the gospel. They speak prophecy according to Rev 11.

 

[TribulationSigns]

satan isn't bound and imprisoned during the time of the two witnesses.

Have you read Scripture at all?

Read carefully:

Rev 11:3-7
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
(5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
(6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
(7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Where was the beast (Satan) during the Two Witnesses testimony before their testimony is finished? Duh!

 

[ewq1938]

Have you read Scripture at all?

Read carefully:

Rev 11:3-7
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
(5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
(6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
(7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Where was the beast (Satan) during the Two Witnesses testimony before their testimony is finished? Duh!

Have you read Scripture at all?


satan isn't the beast in Revelation. He is the dragon.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

 

[TribulationSigns]

satan isn't bound and imprisoned during the time of the two witnesses. There also is nothing about preaching the gospel. They speak prophecy according to Rev 11.

Again you do not read Scripture or compare Scripture with Scripture:

Act 1:8
(8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Rev 11:3-4
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Yes, the Two Witnesses are Elect who have received the power (with the Holy Spirit) to be God's witnesses by preaching the Word of God to the world. You do not know what the word prophesy means. We are to be spokesmen of God with His Word. Thats prophesying!

Also...do you realize that we can speak with fire coming out of our mouths? No, I don't mean that we can spew fire on enemies literally. Go look up in Scripture like...

Jer 5:14
(14) Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

Do you understand this? Do you think God talked about His people having literal fire in their mouths to spew upon people? No, of course not. You need spiritual discernment to understand what God is talking about. Same with Revelation!

Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Have you read Scripture at all?

I am already WAY AHEAD of you. I know Scripture very well and knows what the Lord talked about after receiving spiritual discernment.

satan isn't the beast in Revelation. He is the dragon.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Sigh...

The beast of Revelation are a figure or representation of the body of Satan, the spiritual kingdom of Satan. The beast are, spiritually speaking, his body, just as those of the Spirit of Christ are spiritually His body. Selah! The beast represents his carnal kingdom, those who are his children and his ministers. Satan is personified as this beast representing his kingdom! The Dragon, which is Satan himself, gives the beast or his kingdom its power (Revelation 13:4). This signifying Satan gives them their strength. Just as the four beasts (or four living creatures) of Revealtion are a figure or representation of the body of Christ (Revelation 4:6), the spiritual kingdom of God in heaven. The Lamb (God Himself) gives these living creatures their power!

As for Revelation 16...

Revelation 16:12-14

• "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
• And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
• For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

Again, the same cryptic imagery and symbology of the plagues God poured out upon Egypt, except this is poured upon spiritual Egypt, a rebellious house that wants a false Christ instead of the true Christ sitting on the throne. They are sent as "locusts," "frogs," to poison rivers and bring pestilence. And note God identifies them as "the spirits of Devils" that go forth to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Even as Revelation 20 so plainly reiterates. These aren't literal frogs anymore than Revelation 9 were literal locusts. They are an army of unrighteous men, sent by God to plague man who have not yet sealed (saved) by God!

The spirits of devils loosed from the pit, works within men. They are the great armies that God uses to send them against the unfaithful to deceive them by lying signs and wonders. They are, to God, as the locusts who destroy the once fruitful field because of the abominations of the people in HIS HOUSE! They are the men who will leave it desolate. With this knowledge from God we can look at Revelation in a whole different "light" and not through the smoke. This army from the smoke are men who come with the power of the enemy, the power of the scorpion and dragon. And the fire and smoke from their mouths are men with the spirits of devils, preaching all lying signs and wonders!!!

Revelation 9:17-19

• "And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
• By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
• For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt."

Their WORD "IS" the power that comes out of their mouths. The false doctrines and abominations that come out of their mouths that what deceive many people and brought their churches to desolate! They are false prophets and christs!
Cryptic to be sure, but not unable to be understood. For with the power of the holy spirit, and a sound hermeneutic, we can SEE the mystery of the woman that rides the beast. We can see unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon. We can see the false prophet as the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. See them as a plague of locusts which go forth to destroy! God is not talking about physical countries coming down to national Israel for war or whatever, but the gathering of the false prophets and christs all over the world to come into God's congregations which is a representative of God's kingdom on Earth, all over the world! You are looking at the wrong place, looking for a one antichrist, national Israel, Russia, physical animals, supernatural man, third temple, etc. etc. and the crap doctrines of the dispensationalism. You totally miss it because of your carnal mind, and without spiritual understanding what the Lord is really talking about.

 

[ewq1938]

I am already WAY AHEAD of you.

No. satan is not the beast as I have proven.

 

[ewq1938]

Again you do not read Scripture or compare Scripture with Scripture:

If you read scripture you would know satan isn't bound and imprisoned during the time of the two witnesses. There also is nothing about preaching the gospel. They speak prophecy according to Rev 11.

 

[TribulationSigns]

No. satan is not the beast as I have proven.

Obviously, you do not understand what I explained about the beast and dragon.

You need to move on and continue with your fishing for one antichrist.

 

[TribulationSigns]

If you read scripture you would know satan isn't bound and imprisoned during the time of the two witnesses. There also is nothing about preaching the gospel. They speak prophecy according to Rev 11.

Boy... you are fully in denial. You have not figured out (or admit) where Satan was before the Two Witnesses' testimony is finished. LOL.