Sign on hand and forehead:

[Marekzde77]

Maybe the bible didn't even talk about a chip..
Recently, some people seem to me as if they are controlled..not remotely..but by some kind of spirit..

Maybe they come to me or I walk past them..and for a second they talk exactly about something I'm thinking about or what I was just dealing with today or yesterday..sometimes they even give me an answer to some questions..

Or they are wearing the same color clothes or some inscription of something..that I just saw somewhere..

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Or they must have seen on some spiritual level exactly where the ground is and what is currently happening. .

But I think their demons/spirits do it..
Which maybe they themselves are in the spiritual world..
After life they just "connect"..

 

[FaithWillDo]

Maybe the bible didn't even talk about a chip..
Recently, some people seem to me as if they are controlled..not remotely..but by some kind of spirit..

Maybe they come to me or I walk past them..and for a second they talk exactly about something I'm thinking about or what I was just dealing with today or yesterday..sometimes they even give me an answer to some questions..

Or they are wearing the same color clothes or some inscription of something..that I just saw somewhere..

…
Or they must have seen on some spiritual level exactly where the ground is and what is currently happening. .

But I think their demons/spirits do it..
Which maybe they themselves are in the spiritual world..
After life they just "connect"..

Dear Marekzde77,
The book of Revelation primarily teaches the pathway to salvation that the Elect will travel to be converted/saved. It is not a book about worldly future events that only happen at the literal end of this age. The events are spiritual events which happen within a person.

The mark of the beast is not a physical symbol that can be seen with human eyes. It is a spiritual mark within an apostate believer. The mark is said to be on their hands because it represents the they approach Christ by their own works rather than by faith. The mark is also said to be in their foreheads which represents that the beliefs of the apostate believer are being controlled by the spirit of anti-Christ. The spirit of anti-Christ is the second beast of Revelation chapter 13.

As for your comment:
Recently, some people seem to me as if they are controlled..not remotely..but by some kind of spirit..

You are exactly right. But this is not a new thing. God has been spiritually directing mankind's steps from the beginning of creation. Nothing happens in this creation that God does not cause to happen.

The belief that mankind has a free will to direct their own steps is a lie from Satan and is the foundation of why an apostate believer mixes works with faith.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

God even uses unclean/evil spirits to accomplish His "will" within mankind:

Isa 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Judg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

1 Sam 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Consider why God created Satan in the first place:

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster (Satan) to destroy.

The verses below show how God uses Satan as an instrument for his work:

2 Sam 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

So how did God move David to number Israel and Judah? He used Satan:

1 Chron 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Joe

 

[Verily]

So if you are a believer in Jesus Christ sealed with the Holy Spirit you cannot buy or sell with anyone as someone else with this other spiritual seal or mark can. How would that work? Who are they buying and selling from or with and how can they tell who is who by a spiritual mark.

We used to go to night clubs back in our day and they would stamp our hand with this invisible mark and we would have to present our hands so the mark would become visible to show that we had bought a ticket to enter in. If you did not have that mark you were denied access to the club. That would probably be the best way for me to ask how would such an interaction of buying and selling work in relation to this mark being spiritual (and unseen) when it comes to being denied the priviledge, how does that work with spiritual marks.

 

[FaithWillDo]

So if you are a believer in Jesus Christ sealed with the Holy Spirit you cannot buy or sell with anyone as someone else with this other spiritual seal or mark can. How would that work? Who are they buying and selling from or with and how can they tell who is who by a spiritual mark.

We used to go to night clubs back in our day and they would stamp our hand with this invisible mark and we would have to present our hands so the mark would become visible to show that we had bought a ticket to enter in. If you did not have that mark you were denied access to the club. That would probably be the best way for me to ask how would such an interaction of buying and selling work in relation to this mark being spiritual (and unseen) when it comes to being denied the priviledge, how does that work with spiritual marks.

Dear Verily,
The phrase "buying and selling" is referring to accepting and teaching beliefs. Sometimes "selling" can also mean to rid yourself of certain beliefs that you used to believe were true.

Believers who have the mark of the beast can exchange their false beliefs with other apostate believers. But if a believer is converted, they will no longer accept or teach these false beliefs because they are now walking in truth. This happens when a believer is converted and their spiritual blindness is healed (Mark 8:15-25).

The sealing of the Elect occurs when they are converted. This seal is spiritual just like the mark of the beast is spiritual.

The Seven Headed beast of Rev 13 represents an apostate believer who has the spirit of anti-Christ (represented by the second beast).

The number of the beast is 666. It is derived from the number 6 which represents carnal mankind. When the number is repeated three times, the number three is added to its meaning. The number three represents a "spiritual process". The spiritual process that a believer goes through to become apostate is taught by Christ in the verses below:

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

The spiritual symbol of an unclean spirit represents a spirit which teaches Satan's false truth through lies and deceptions.

Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ. ONE unclean spirit leaves but comes back with SEVEN more. The number "seven" represents perfection. In this case, the number seven represents the perfection of Satan's lies/deceptions which come to a believer by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. Now, instead of ONE unclean spirit within the believer, they now have EIGHT. The number eight is a spiritual symbol which represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, the new spiritual condition is worse than the first.

This "worse than the first" spiritual condition causes the believer to become a False Prophet, a Man of Sin, a Minister of Satan and a Seven Headed Beast with Ten Horns & Crowns.

Joe

 

[Verily]

Thanks Joe, I did ask, and I would love to hear how others might answer concerning this spiritual mark

 

[FaithWillDo]

Thanks Joe, I did ask, and I would love to hear how others might answer concerning this spiritual mark

Dear Verily,
You will not find many takers for the mark being a spiritual mark. Like Marekzde77 said, the mark is more commonly understood as being a computer chip. However, this understanding cannot be true for a couple of reasons.

Here is the first reason:

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.

The spiritual events being described by the prophecy must be "kept" by a person in order for them to be blessed. Those who are blessed are the Elect.

If the mark of the beast represents a computer chip, how could most of the Elect who have lived and died over the past 1900 years ever have kept this portion of the prophecy? They couldn't have since computer chips are a modern invention.

Here is the second reason:

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The teachings of Christ under the New Covenant are taught by Christ's "spirit" words. Those teachings are spiritual and they happen within a person. Those teachings (includes end-time prophecy) do not happen out in the physical world as most mistakenly apply those teachings.

Joe

 

[Verily]

Dear Verily,
You will not find many takers for the mark being a spiritual mark. Like Marekzde77 said, the mark is more commonly understood as being a computer chip. However, this understanding cannot be true for a couple of reasons.

Here is the first reason:

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.

The spiritual events being described by the prophecy must be "kept" by a person in order for them to be blessed. Those who are blessed are the Elect.

If the mark of the beast represents a computer chip, how could most of the Elect who have lived and died over the past 1900 years ever have kept this portion of the prophecy? They couldn't have since computer chips are a modern invention.

Here is the second reason:

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The teachings of Christ under the New Covenant are taught by Christ's "spirit" words. Those teachings are spiritual and they happen within a person. Those teachings (includes end-time prophecy) do not happen out in the physical world as most mistakenly apply those teachings.

Joe

I've been around for awhile and I do know a few people who do believe its spiritual and I have tried to take it down the that route as well. So I could make the same argument (in my own way) even as I have tried to spin it in that direction in various ways so I can just assert, "its spiritual". The way it's laid out variously by those (including myself) who either do believe this (or would like to catch it in that way) can differ but none of it has really satisfied me as far as it settling it for me. Not to mention they aren't that convincing. Some trying to teach it do not seem fully convinced yet (which is fine you shouldnt be if you are not). I have posted on it before examining it coming in at from various directions, I was just never convnced even when I attempted it. I was always given that pause about it, but I did ask so to consider what you or maybe others might say, and see what you compare and to what and what scriptures would be used for its justfication. Because basically you can see more in that which is helpful.

 

[Jericho]

Maybe the bible didn't even talk about a chip..

It doesn't tell us much of anything, but we do know it will be used as a form of control, and it's associated with buying, selling, and trading (i.e., commerce). That tells me it's not purely spiritual. With the way the world is going, it's plausible technology will be used in conjunction with the mark. That's not to say it's purely physical either. There is a spiritual component to it too because putting a chip in your hand or forehead by itself is not a damnable offense. Likely, you will have to worship the antichrist to get it.