Shroud of Turin: Absolute proof the man seen in it is Jesus Christ

[Pearl]

Rita,

Why do u believe in Jesus again? I see Jesus and Mary as my parents now.

Jesus is my brother and God is my Father. And I believe in Jesus because my heart and spirit recognize him and respond to him. He came into my life in 1977 when I asked him to and from that day to this has been a constant companion. He is the Rock on whom my faith is established and I need no more proof of his presence than that.

 

[brian100]

So Pearl why don't you know Mary?

Any dummy can see what I see on the Shroud, and its the ultimate proof of Christianity.

 

[Nancy]

I was asked the same thing about "stupid" Bible Prophecy, -- yet I was SAVED through Bible Prophecy. I didn't come to GOD through "love", -- it came through TANGIBLE EVIDENCE that GOD really does exist. And of course the Shroud is a piece of Tangible Scientific Evidence.

In a "Public Speaking Class", I shared various "Life After Death" accounts including a recent newspaper article where a young girl committed suicide, came back to life in a morgue, and announced that she was a Christian; and almost 1/3rd of the class asked me questions AFTER CLASS. And my presentation didn't have the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that the Shroud endues, but lives were affected.

So can YOU or anyone else judge when/how/where GOD can speak to someone?!? -- I can't, and don't think you can either. :)
Bobby Jo

Only problem here is that it is the Holy Spirit who does the drawing to Him, not a "figure" of Mary on a cloth, a piece of toast or any number of "things" people see things in. Faith comes by hearing...the Word of God. I too came to Christ through Prophecy, not love because I did not understand His love then. Prophecy was a very interesting topic and when looking around the world, I can see how He has done things and how He will do things because it is in the Word. My guess is that if any of these people are so enamored by an image of Mary, then Mary is who they will worship. So, you can think as you do and I will ask kindly that you not tell me what to think or believe.
God Bless

 

[Bobby Jo]

... It is better to focus on the one true Living God and not a shroud.

FALSE. We are to be ALL THINGS to ALL MEN. -- Thus we need to be able to explain the geological evidence of Noah's Flood; the ICA Burial Stones; the significance of DNA; end-time Bible Prophecy; the Shroud; and ALL THINGS RELATED TO GOD's CREATION.

Otherwise we're like FAITH without WORKS, -- worthless.
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

@Rita

Only problem here is that it is the Holy Spirit who does the drawing to Him, not a "figure" of Mary on a cloth, a piece of toast or any number of "things" ...

I can't agree with your MORE! -- MANY THINGS are no different than the mountain on Mars which has a shadow that looks like a "face", or our local "mesa" which when lined up with the contour behind it looks like the head of an orangutan monkey, or shapes in clouds. But at the same time there are legitimate "faces of men" and "orangutan monkeys", etc.

And according to my best information, the Shroud and Sudarium of Oviedo are LEGITAMATE Historical Artifacts which we need to understand and appreciate for WHAT THEY ARE, -- HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS --, so that when we're questioned we won't need to dust the sand off our head back into the bucket from which it came! :)

With Very Best Regards (WVBR),
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

The jury is still out on the Shroud of Turin. Brian100, your projecting your own symbols into an ambiguous image is like seeing santa claus in the clouds - it does not prove Santa exists. Nevertheless, the science is interesting and I am eagerly awaiting further evidence on the Shroud. Previous research was inadequate. The Catholic Church needs to stop dragging its feet and let science look into it deeper.

Hey MM,
According to one of the Researchers, (-- he was given space in my office, but never used it --), work during the day was tampered with at night. And apparently the carbon dating sample was not micro-photographed prior to testing, thus that sample result is not valid because it might have been switched. But all other evidence points to the FULL and COMPLETE legitimacy of the Shroud, including having a "negative" before negatives were invented (in 1839 using a silver nitrate based formula); and having a "hologram" before lasers and holograms were invented in the early 1960's.

So what "artist" would present EVIDENCE of "Jesus Shroud" using a never seen before "negative"?!? Or what ancient mathematician would answer that he could solve a complex mathematical equation if he only had a "computer"; etc.

Bobby Jo

 

[Pearl]

Typing 'BBC turin shroud' into your search engine brings up some interesting stuff.

 

[Rita]

FALSE. We are to be ALL THINGS to ALL MEN. -- Thus we need to be able to explain the geological evidence of Noah's Flood; the ICA Burial Stones; the significance of DNA; end-time Bible Prophecy; the Shroud; and ALL THINGS RELATED TO GOD's CREATION.

Otherwise we're like FAITH without WORKS, -- worthless.
Bobby Jo

Have to think about that one as in all my Christian life no one has ever mentioned that the above is a requirement of my faith. It doesn’t mean I have never discussed these things away from the forum - but I am not sure I agree with you about being able to explain and understand everything.
Rita

 

[Bobby Jo]

... A new and proper sample is needed ...

Personally, I don't have a problem given the peripheral substantiation. As already enumerated, the fact that a "negative" and a "hologram" wasn't conceived until later is a "proof" by itself. -- I don't need to see the nail prints.

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... I am not sure I agree with you about being able to explain and understand everything.
Rita

Hey Rita,
I think it's more being able to present and defend our LORD and GOD to every man, according to his/her need. And while we'll never know EVERYTHING, we should certainly endeavor to wear the "belt of TRUTH" (- and not the "belt of maybe" -) in our testimony! :)

With Very Best Regards (WVBR),
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

...Think of the non-believers. ...

The operational word is "think", and as "Romper Room" used to tell us: Put on your thinking caps. So if a person can actually "think", then they should perceive that no "artist" would anticipate two technologies that wouldn't exist for another thousand years. Thus, if those technologies substantiate the artifact, then the artifact is genuine.

... DNA indicated the Shroud was from the middle-ages, that refutes any hologram idea. ...

You are EXACTLY CORRECT. -- How can an "artist" forge a "hologram" before 3D imaging is even contemplated. Furthermore, how can this "artist" dab particles of [i.e., oxides] with a consistent transition from the dense dispersion at the surface to the sparse dispersion in the depth of the fabric, to CREATE a 3D HOLOGRAM?

In fact, I challenge you to even FIND an artist who KNOWS the objective, and is able to achieve a 3D image using a paint brush.
Bobby Jo

 

[brian100]

People start off calling Jesus the sky God.. then somehow still call his mom the tortilla woman. So Idk.. what's going on but God does.

 

[brian100]

The Catholic Church needs to allow further testing so that science can be brought to bear upon this potentially ground-breaking relic.

The STURP team had exclusive access to it.

 

[brian100]

Matt, I studied it on my own..it don't take a rocket scientist to see what I found.

 

[Joseph77]

You continue to pound this issue, but you ignore my point about non-believers. Ideally, scientists should be studying the Shroud to answer such questions. Was the image produced by some type of radiation emitted from Jesus? Or, some other explanation. But, do the research and find the answers. But, no. All we get is what we have - and inadequate explanation and contradictory evidence. You do not need convincing, others may need it. What about them?

Convincing ?
Simply, Jesus says the promoters of the false gospel, have nothing to do with.
That's enough for the disciples of Jesus, following Jesus, to avoid those ones.

 

[brian100]

Convincing ?
Simply, Jesus says the promoters of the false gospel, have nothing to do with.

Joseph, did you just call Jesus Shroud a false gospel? Ye, such little faith.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... inadequate explanation and contradictory evidence. ...

I've explained the "contradictory evidence" and provided a rational explanation. -- If you or anyone else wants to see the nail marks, then ask Jesus. But the rest of us have enough to make a CORRECT conclusion. -- Although MOST Christians prefer IGNORANCE over REVELATION, and they WILL suffer the consequences:

Hosea 4:6 ... my people perish for lack of knowledge ...​

... do the research and explain how such an image could be left on a cloth.

Here's my RESEARCH: Jesus left a holographic image, and L A S E R S validate the premise.

Now if you can "paint" a holographic image using ancient painting techniques, then you can DISPROVE THE SHROUD. But until then, please be at the tomb when it's opened to witness the evidence yourself.

Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.​

Bobby Jo

 

[brian100]

This DVD was awesome just for 3d info.(trailer)

Here's another (this might be the entire program) (use 3d glasses)

So after watching this you now know there is no way any man has made this, based on the quantum hologram, and the event horizon which is dividing images into anterior (front) and posterior (backside) images.

And once you realize its from God, then you can look at what I decoded in post#1 proving its all a Catholic Jesus and Mary.

The only question was who was this man. I proved its Jesus.

I'm not coming around here to preach to anyone.. I'm only asking why you don't know Mary. And after seeing this info... you have reason to know her!

 

[GodsGrace]

She may have her reasons as does brian but that doesn't alter the fact that is has been proved beyond doubt for most people that it is a forgery.

Why do you and @Helen believe it's a forgery?

 

[GodsGrace]

This DVD was awesome just for 3d info.(trailer)

Here's another (this might be the entire program) (use 3d glasses)

So after watching this you now know there is no way any man has made this, based on the quantum hologram, and the event horizon which is dividing images into anterior (front) and posterior (backside) images.

And once you realize its from God, then you can look at what I decoded in post#1 proving its all a Catholic Jesus and Mary.

The only question was who was this man. I proved its Jesus.

I'm not coming around here to preach to anyone.. I'm only asking why you don't know Mary. And after seeing this info... you have reason to know her!

I haven't been following along,,
but what does Mary have to do with the shroud?