Should they sharpen sword

[MA2444]

I ask myself, would Jesus have sanctioned Elijah's slaughter? I would have to say no.
God who does not change; Jesus who is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow is the litmus test I use to get clarity on these accounts of violence, tacitly or overtly being sanctioned by God.

Satan endeavours to turn God into a Jekyll and Hyde kind of character in his attempts to undermine God's credibility.
Jesus came to us for the express purpose of revealing God's true character in the face of all the misrepresentations Satan has convinced men of throughout history.

We easily miss the body language, the idiomatic comments/ statements of Jesus and the cultural understandings of the day.

Yes, I think you have a point with the garment thing but as for acquiring a blade to threaten or use violence to save one's skin, this is not in line with the trajectory of Jesus' life or teachings.

I would have to say yes God did sanction it and indeed was with Elijah when he killed all those false prophets. I think it 850 of them?!! That's a lot! I think Elijahs story about his is sort of similar to the David & Goliath story. Except the part where Elijah got scared of Jezebel and he ran from her instead of confronting her ib faith like God wanted him to! Seems ike God always uses bad situations that we have to participate in and as a test of our faith in Him, our Lord. David got mad at the trash talk and he walked out onto that field and said, let's go Boi, my God will deliver you into my hand! And so God delivered David and let David participate in the win! How cool is that?!

In Eijahs story he wasn't the new guy but was already full time in the Lord's army and may have had a somewhat closer relationship with the Lord than David had as the new guy? Elijah killed off 850 false prophets. But Eijah alredy knew what the Commander wanted in the service of the Lord. I have to surmise that the 850 false prophets we all men of lesser reputation than Jezebel was. They prolly worked for Jezebel but one does not get into the position that Jezebel was in as a matter fact and reputation without generating fear in the populace! She was no easy to take no name (false) prophet like the 850 were and Elijah let that go to his head when he got the note from Jezebel. But there was difference between taking on single civilians on the street and God putting you into the position of ok now I want you to go attack army base by yourself....That was Elijah's Giant to face! And he decided to run. I can't blame him for being scared, she was the real deal and sent him him a note that basically said, I'm coming to kill you!

Maybe we wouldn't have feminism right now if Elijah had stood his ground in Faith n the Lord. Right? I think so.

So if stuff like that was happening all through the OT times...and didn't paul get to see some of it and he said I am a man born out of my time? It was exciting to Paul to have seen that, and it made him want to be in on it! So I asked myself, where is this going? Does this mean that we all have a giant in our future in whatever form? Jesus did say as it was in Noahs day it shall be at the coming of the Lord? Something like that. So God likes to test us and scripture says that Believers will do all that He did and more.

Have the giants from Noah's day made a comeback? Been hiding in the woods because of the restrainer and all thos eSasquatch's have to be a real something, there is too much history and circumstantial evidence that Bigfoot is real. All we know about them is that the blend in well so are hard to photograph and they always run away. I don't think Ive ever heard of a Bigfoot being aggressive. Bigfoot might be Nephilim. And everybody has a camera now so more footage is always being had. If they always run and are Nephilim then will they start approaching humans. If they are nephlim then they are likely very intelligent, AND Big! Geez-ow, time to sell the 9mm! Just in case. Them bigfoots are like 9 foot tall and taller and stuff, from reports.

I watched one video called The Kandahar Giant on youtube where in afghanistan US military killed a giant. They spooked it and it jumped out a cave and speared one of the guys and the rest of the platoon or whatever laid down fire all at onece and was able to take it down (With 5.56mm Ammo!) But they had a team of a I think it was 9 guys or something? When the c-r-a-p hits the fan it is going to be very different than what people expect.
I'm not looking forward to facing any giants. I bet it all happens at once. An Alien Invasion from above and Sasquatch's on the rampage through cities and communities. I have a good feeling that they always run. But they have a body and if they ever turn around or attack, what the heck could you do? You ever fought a full grown Bigfoot before? Me either, but I have hunted. And I have a 5.56 too and I know it is not enough. Not one AR semi-auto. Nope, That aint a team of 9 guys! So a better caliber choice is in order.45/70 is a wonderful cartridge and I just have a great fondness for those lever action rifles!

I lived in Colorado front range, C.Springs for right about 30 years and we all did soo much camping out there and nobody ever saw a bigfoot. With only one or two rifles most of the time if I had seen a bigfoot I wouldnt want to be carryng an AR15 unless it wasnt in 556 if I ever did meet one. 44 mag for pistols and 44 Mag or 45/70 lever action on me. Taking doen big bears is hard and you need a lot of penetration to reach the vitals. A 22 pistol or a 9mm just wont cut that job.

 

[talons]

However, the slaughter of the prophets of Baal was the result of Elijah's presumption. Elijah went to far engaging the slaughter.

This an opinion with no basis in scripture . In fact this is the first time I have EVER seen such a thing even suggested !
I see this as rampant speculation than has gone too far , in fact it has gone outside the Bible .

 

[quietthinker]

This an opinion with no basis in scripture . In fact this is the first time I have EVER seen such a thing even suggested !
I see this as rampant speculation than has gone too far , in fact it has gone outside the Bible .

It may have gone outside of HOW the Bible is heard by many but I don't think it's gone outside of Jesus.....and isn't Jesus the only eyewitness of God?.....and doesn't the voice on the mountain tell us who to listen to....even while Moses and Elijah are present?

The thought of even considering to kill another is not one that abides in the Kingdom of God. That belongs to the world of the enemy.

 

[talons]

It may have gone outside of HOW the Bible is heard by many but I don't think it's gone outside of Jesus.....and isn't Jesus the only eyewitness of God?.....and doesn't the voice on the mountain tell us who to listen to....even while Moses and Elijah are present?

The thought of even considering to kill another is not one that abides in the Kingdom of God. That belongs to the world of the enemy.

You would have me believe Elijah is just killing prophets of Baal willy nilly with no OK from God ? Elijah went up to heaven in a Chariot of Fire and for some reason I can not comprehend you portray him as rebel against God .

 

[quietthinker]

You would have me believe Elijah is just killing prophets of Baal willy nilly with no OK from God ? Elijah went up to heaven in a Chariot of Fire and for some reason I can not comprehend you portray him as rebel against God .

I am not portraying him as a rebel against God. I am portraying him as a man with like passions as us, not someone untouched with shortcomings.
If you need to refresh yourself with the details of Elijah's story it would be helpful...and if you need to go back and read these posts to get context, that might encourage you to stop drawing incorrect conclusions from what I am saying.

 

[talons]

No scripture offered from you to prove Elijah was freelancing when he had the heads cut off 450 prophets of Idols . No proof for your accusations .
Elijah was a man passionate about serving God ! Doing God's will . Elijah was cleaning house at God's behest .

I am not portraying him as a rebel against God.

Elijah went too far engaging the slaughter.

Gaslighting noted . I am done here .

Elijah then commanded the people to put the prophets of Baal to death, in keeping with God’s command in Exodus 22:20.

Elijah did exactly as instructed by God . Say again who needs to refresh their knowledge of Elijah .

Exodus 22:20​

“He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.”


The prophets of Baal were dead men walking as soon as Elijah got the upper hand .

 

[quietthinker]

Elijah was a man passionate about serving God ! Doing God's will . Elijah was cleaning house at God's behest .

No doubt he was passionate about serving God however, it is you who is designating that murdering God's enemies was done at God's behest.

You say I am offering no scripture, well here you have some.....

Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them, expecting nothing in return. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

Acts 14:17
Yet He has not left Himself without testimony to His goodness: He gives you rain from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling your hearts with food and gladness.”

James 1:17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, with whom there is no change or shifting shadow.

Romans 12:20-21
On the contrary, “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink. For in so doing, you will heap burning coals on his head.” / Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Ephesians 5:1
Be imitators of God, therefore, as beloved children,

1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. / Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

1 Peter 1:15-16
But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”

Galatians 6:10
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to the family of faith.

Philippians 2:15
so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and perverse generation, in which you shine as lights in the world

1 John 3:10
By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

Proverbs 25:21-22
If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. / For in so doing, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you.

 

[Debp]

No doubt he was passionate about serving God however, it is you who is designating that murdering God's enemies was done at God's behest.

You say I am offering no scripture, well here you have some.....

Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them, expecting nothing in return. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

Acts 14:17
Yet He has not left Himself without testimony to His goodness: He gives you rain from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling your hearts with food and gladness.”

James 1:17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, with whom there is no change or shifting shadow.

Romans 12:20-21
On the contrary, “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink. For in so doing, you will heap burning coals on his head.” / Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Ephesians 5:1
Be imitators of God, therefore, as beloved children,

1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. / Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

1 Peter 1:15-16
But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”

Galatians 6:10
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to the family of faith.

Philippians 2:15
so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and perverse generation, in which you shine as lights in the world

1 John 3:10
By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

Proverbs 25:21-22
If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. / For in so doing, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you.

You quoted the New Testament except for Proverbs.
From the Old Testament from where we get Elijah's story:

Exodus 22:18-24
18“You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

19“Whoever lies with an animal shall surely be put to death.

20“He who sacrifices to any god, except to the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

21“You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.

22“You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child. 23If you afflict them in any way, and they cry at all to Me, I will surely hear their cry; 24and My wrath will become hot, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.

 

[quietthinker]

You quoted the New Testament except for Proverbs.
From the Old Testament from where we get Elijah's story:

Exodus 22:18-24
18“You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

19“Whoever lies with an animal shall surely be put to death.

20“He who sacrifices to any god, except to the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

21“You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.

22“You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child. 23If you afflict them in any way, and they cry at all to Me, I will surely hear their cry; 24and My wrath will become hot, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.

The question that arises is, who are we going to listen to? Is it Moses or is it Jesus...perhaps it's Elijah?

Here is why I think Jesus trumps both Moses and Elijah...
1. On the mount of transfiguration where both Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus and the disciples, the voice from the cloud (the Father) said, this 'This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him. Luke 9:35
Moses and Elijah had had their day, now Jesus was on the scene and received a direct affirmation from the Father.

2 In Matthew 5 Jesus lays out his approach at the beginning of his ministry. In verses 38-48 he says this...

'You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well; and if someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Jesus is quoting Moses, that's where they had heard said. Who will we choose to believe and align with; is it the Father, is it Jesus or is it Moses....maybe it's Elijah?

From your answer above it appears you prefer to listen to Moses...is that right? Well, Moses has lots more to say about what you should or shouldn't do ....from male/ female relations to dietary laws and various washings, holy days and so forth. Are you prepared to live by Moses' code? It appears the religious folk in Jesus day did and they judged Jesus unworthy....as do the Jews, by and large, today.
You might want to check that code out.

Who you will align yourself with Deb is your decision to make.

 

[Debp]

The question that arises is, who are we going to listen to? Is it Moses or is it Jesus...perhaps it's Elijah?

Here is why I think Jesus trumps both Moses and Elijah...
1. On the mount of transfiguration where both Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus and the disciples, the voice from the cloud (the Father) said, this 'This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him. Luke 9:35
Moses and Elijah had had their day, now Jesus was on the scene and received a direct affirmation from the Father.

2 In Matthew 5 Jesus lays out his approach at the beginning of his ministry. In verses 38-48 he says this...

'You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well; and if someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Jesus is quoting Moses, that's where they had heard said. Who will we choose to believe and align with; is it the Father, is it Jesus or is it Moses....maybe it's Elijah?

From your answer above it appears you prefer to listen to Moses...is that right? Well, Moses has lots more to say about what you should or shouldn't do ....from male/ female relations to dietary laws and various washings, holy days and so forth. Are you prepared to live by Moses' code? It appears the religious folk in Jesus day did and they judged Jesus unworthy....as do the Jews, by and large, today.
You might want to check that code out.

Who you will align yourself with Deb is your decision to make.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Elijah lived in Old Testament times.

 

[Lambano]

I'm not looking forward to facing any giants. I bet it all happens at once. An Alien Invasion from above and Sasquatch's on the rampage through cities and communities. I have a good feeling that they always run. But they have a body and if they ever turn around or attack, what the heck could you do? You ever fought a full grown Bigfoot before? Me either, but I have hunted. And I have a 5.56 too and I know it is not enough. Not one AR semi-auto. Nope, That aint a team of 9 guys! So a better caliber choice is in order.45/70 is a wonderful cartridge and I just have a great fondness for those lever action rifles!

I lived in Colorado front range, C.Springs for right about 30 years and we all did soo much camping out there and nobody ever saw a bigfoot. With only one or two rifles most of the time if I had seen a bigfoot I wouldnt want to be carryng an AR15 unless it wasnt in 556 if I ever did meet one. 44 mag for pistols and 44 Mag or 45/70 lever action on me. Taking doen big bears is hard and you need a lot of penetration to reach the vitals. A 22 pistol or a 9mm just wont cut that job.

My brother lives in Colorado Springs also, and he ain't never seen a Bigfoot there either. But he did send me a picture of a bear in his front yard last year. The Sneaky Labrador and I haven't seen any bears in our walks in the woods, though about 20 years ago, there was a well-documented report (made the 11:00 news) of one downtown behind our church, which was really odd. I do keep a box of .44 Mag bullets for my Dirty Harry revolver just for bears, but it's much more fun to shoot with .44 specials. I got a spring kit to fix up that typically harsh S&W factory trigger and added some Pachmayr rubber grips, and now it shoots pretty nice. But it's still too big to carry concealed comfortably, and I'm not going to be stupid enough to open carry, even in the woods. Did see a really nice snub-nosed .357 magnum Colt Python in a local gunshop a couple of weeks ago that I could carry, but they wanted too much for it.

 

[MA2444]

My brother lives in Colorado Springs also, and he ain't never seen a Bigfoot there either. But he did send me a picture of a bear in his front yard last year. The Sneaky Labrador and I haven't seen any bears in our walks in the woods, though about 20 years ago, there was a well-documented report (made the 11:00 news) of one downtown behind our church, which was really odd. I do keep a box of .44 Mag bullets for my Dirty Harry revolver just for bears, but it's much more fun to shoot with .44 specials. I got a spring kit to fix up that typically harsh S&W factory trigger and added some Pachmayr rubber grips, and now it shoots pretty nice. But it's still too big to carry concealed comfortably, and I'm not going to be stupid enough to open carry, even in the woods. Did see a really nice snub-nosed .357 magnum Colt Python in a local gunshop a couple of weeks ago that I could carry, but they wanted too much for it.

When Dirty Harry came out I think ny Dads was the first one on the block to buy the gun. He got raked over the coals for it, $600 back then! Wow. I liked it and wanted one but no way could I afford to buy one so when I got around to being semi serious about buying a 44 mag I had to buy the underdog version for less than half that price, a Ruger Redhawk and over time I come to think that the Ruger 44's are the better guns and more durable and even had a better trigger than my dad's lol!

I quickly learned that to really grasp the full versatility of the 44 mag round, you have to cast bullets for it and I did because my dad did. I have more bullet moulds for the 44 than for any other caliber! I have the old Lyman 185gr full wadcutter, the 245 Keith, the 300gr GC Keith and just about everything in between. I think I almost fell in love with that cartridge. In the lower 48 there isnt anything that it wont do with the right load in it. I dont think most people like lead bullets cuz they hear it's a pitb to clean out the lead, but I stumbled onto the answer for that too. I figured it out just shooting it. They say you cant drive lead bullets faster than 1000 or it will lead up your gun! That is a lie. It's all about the size of the bullet and I learned by shooting larger sizes and leading went away for the most part no matter how fast I loaded them. I had my machinist buddy open up my sizing dies for me in his garage in about 10 minutes!

I have one load that I took one Elk with a head shot with a 300 gr 44 bullet moving at near 1400 fps. Yes, That is the load that isnt fun to shoot but it is sizzling. My standard load for it is Elmer Keiths bullet the 245gr SWC (great boolit!) 18gr of 2400 for just above 1250 fps and super accurate.

 

[MA2444]

My brother lives in Colorado Springs also, and he ain't never seen a Bigfoot there either. But he did send me a picture of a bear in his front yard last year. The Sneaky Labrador and I haven't seen any bears in our walks in the woods, though about 20 years ago, there was a well-documented report (made the 11:00 news) of one downtown behind our church, which was really odd. I do keep a box of .44 Mag bullets for my Dirty Harry revolver just for bears, but it's much more fun to shoot with .44 specials. I got a spring kit to fix up that typically harsh S&W factory trigger and added some Pachmayr rubber grips, and now it shoots pretty nice. But it's still too big to carry concealed comfortably, and I'm not going to be stupid enough to open carry, even in the woods. Did see a really nice snub-nosed .357 magnum Colt Python in a local gunshop a couple of weeks ago that I could carry, but they wanted too much for it.

Do you reload for your 44? I used to own a Charter Arms Bulldog 44 Special and so I bought a bunch of brass for it to reload with, and now I don't own it anymore but I did not sell the brass with it, and dont use it. Some of it is virgin and never been loaded. IIRC some of it is nickel plated too. I'll never use it because I have so many good loads for the 44 already that if I want a more managable load to shoot, I can just load me up some light loads!

Don't let people make you think the 44 mag in top loadings is brutal to shoot because it isn't. It's more about powder choice along with the bullet weight. That load that I said shoots so good at 1250 fps and will kill any animal in the lower 48 is like 4 full grains less than a max load so it shoots very mild with this particular powder. There are some Snappy powders that make it no fun real fast, like H110, be careful with that stuff as it goes max real fast as you working up a load. Elmer Keith had a pet load for his 44 Mag and it was 22.0 grains of 2400 powderand I'm only shooting it at 18to 19 grains with the same bullet. Aliiant that makes that 2400 powder did reformulate it awhile back so I've never been all the way up to 22.0 grains. It's peppier in the new formulation!

If I wanteded a 357 mag, I can just load light loads! Lol! The thing is, even in this, the age of America arm yourselves to the teeth, not a lot of people are buying 44 Mags and that's weird yet also cool in a good way. The 357's have gone way up in price along with their componants and popularity, leaving the 44 Mag stuff on sale pretty much and a whole lot cheaper to fill up it's tank with good ammo! 44 stuff is a dime a dozen compared to 357 stuff and makes very efficient loads so should not be over-looked! You said you have 1 box of Bear Loads for your 44, just in case? 44 Ammo is going up quick too, especially Bear Loads so I would guess that you bought 20 or 25 rounds of good bear loads for bwtween 40 and 50 bucks?

I can load a box of 50 rounds loaded to Bear Loads specs for right between 6 and 7 dollars and you know what that does for me? It doesnt give me one box for the shelf. It gives me hundreds of rounds so I can shoot that load a lot and know exactly where it prints!

If you start reloading for anything, let me know and perhaps I can get you going in the right direction on the cheap. Whatever caliber you decide. I have quite a bit of 357 brass and way too many 38 Special brass that, I dont have guns for anymore so wont ever use, and if a Brother can use it well, that's what I do said the Lord, so I'll make it super cheap if you want any.

I also have a 12 ga slug mould and all the stuff to reload it except the press or gunand made loads so good for it that I was hitting a 9" paper plate at 100 yards almost every time. (yes, 100 yards, and offhand with a 18" slug barrell. If I ever buy another gun, I bet it will be a 44 Mag, Lever Action rifle, perhaps a new Ruger/Marlin with Trumps new Stimulas check!? I dunno yet, I do like to eat, lol. Those are a lot. Around a grand.

 

[Jay Ross]

@Mydreams, it seems to me that God wants you to grow His backbone physically and spiritually in your life.

It seems to me that you go to water every time that circumstances surround you to test your faith and trust in Him.

You are very fortunate that you live in a country where persecution abounds because in those countries God's word is taking hold of the population, and many are coming to the Lord. Sadly, in many their prosperous countries are turning their faith and trust away from God and are becoming more reliant upon their own abilities instead of God's.

The question that all believers have to respond too, is how God can use our lives to show His Glory to those who live around us. Whether that means that we are required to lay down our lives so that His Glory can be seen in how we respond to the circumstances that we find ourselves in really becomes the fruit of our relationship with God.

If that means that we must stand on His love and grace, then so be it if we must be prepared to die so that His Glory can be seen through how we respond in the circumstances that surround us.

Mydream, you are more fortunate than those of us who live in countries that at present does not demand us to demonstrate our faith and trust in the Lord, like you must in the Indian sub-continent.

What I see in your prayer requests is your fear and lack of faith and trust in God and your continual expectation on others to pray for the outcomes you desire, rather than you taking on that responsibility for yourself, asking God to Grow your faith and trust in Him as you, in your own way, attempt to demonstrate God's Glory in your own life. That is what every believer should be doing.

What do we have to fear if we are 100% for God.

Shalom

Edited to change the word "percussion" to "persecution."

The spell checker does not always correct word choices, however if the noise of the beating drum against us sounds like it is like percussion then the noise of their percussion instrument is meant to cause us to fear them as they aggressively challenge our faith and trust in the Lord by their loud shouting etc.

 

[MA2444]

@Mydreams, it seems to me that God wants you to grow His backbone physically and spiritually in your life.

It seems to me that you go to water every time that circumstances surround you to test your faith and trust in Him.

You are very fortunate that you live in a country where percussion abounds because those countries God's word is taking hold of the population, and many are coming to the Lord. Sadly, in many their prosperous countries are turning their faith and trust away from God and are becoming more reliant upon their own abilities instead of God's.

The question that all believers have to respond too, is how God can use our lives to show His Glory to those who live around us. Whether that means that we are required to lay down our lives so that His Glory can be seen in how we respond to the circumstances that we find ourselves in really becomes the fruit of our relationship with God.

If that means that we must stand on His love and grace, then so be it if we must be prepared to die so that His Glory can be seen through how we respond in the circumstances that surround us.

Mydream, you are more fortunate than those of us who live in countries that at present does not demand us to demonstrate our faith and trust in the Lord, like you must in the Indian sub-continent.

What I see in your prayer requests is your fear and lack of faith and trust in God and your continual expectation on others to pray for the outcomes you desire, rather than you taking on that responsibility for yourself, asking God to Grow your faith and trust in Him as you, in your own way, attempt to demonstrate God's Glory in your own life. That is what every believer should be doing.

What do we have to fear if we are 100% for God.

Shalom

Your post reminded me about what I was going to write as a follow up post when someone caalled me out on, why carry a sword if the Lord protects? I listed as if primary carry weapons but I didn't list the Lord at all and figured someone would say hey, what?

Some times in the OT that God required them to fight and sometimes it was the Lord's fight and they didn't have to fight.

But stil Jesus made the point, yes you should have a sword or two. And that means it is ok to believe in the Lord's protection and in a sword's protection. Anyone who knows much at all about guns for real knows that there is plenty of room for faith in God even if we were fighting with swords or guns. Because any handgun round is going to be pretty feeble in stipping power and consequently, living thru it!

It was God's fight with David & Goliath. Now certainly david was very good with his sling. But that one shot that had to be a buls eye..how would it have turned out if David had struck Goliaths arm? No difference in the outcome. God was making a point to the philistines so we dont know if David made a bulls eye or an arm shot? We do know that once David walked out there and launched that stone, as soon as it was launched, God grabbed that stone and guided it to it's mark. So David did get his bullseye, through faith in his Lord. David won. God made His point. The philistines lost their top guy!

But I still wouldn't want to go up against a Bigfoot with a 9mm!

 

[Debp]

@My Dreams You have made a good topic for discussion. Hope you will make others so we can all discuss together.

Has anyone reported the threats to the police? Good to do so...then if there is an attack (God forbid) and Christians defend themselves in their homes, there is a record of the threats.

 

[My Dreams]

@Mydreams, it seems to me that God wants you to grow His backbone physically and spiritually in your life.

It seems to me that you go to water every time that circumstances surround you to test your faith and trust in Him.

You are very fortunate that you live in a country where persecution abounds because in those countries God's word is taking hold of the population, and many are coming to the Lord. Sadly, in many their prosperous countries are turning their faith and trust away from God and are becoming more reliant upon their own abilities instead of God's.

The question that all believers have to respond too, is how God can use our lives to show His Glory to those who live around us. Whether that means that we are required to lay down our lives so that His Glory can be seen in how we respond to the circumstances that we find ourselves in really becomes the fruit of our relationship with God.

If that means that we must stand on His love and grace, then so be it if we must be prepared to die so that His Glory can be seen through how we respond in the circumstances that surround us.

Mydream, you are more fortunate than those of us who live in countries that at present does not demand us to demonstrate our faith and trust in the Lord, like you must in the Indian sub-continent.

What I see in your prayer requests is your fear and lack of faith and trust in God and your continual expectation on others to pray for the outcomes you desire, rather than you taking on that responsibility for yourself, asking God to Grow your faith and trust in Him as you, in your own way, attempt to demonstrate God's Glory in your own life. That is what every believer should be doing.

What do we have to fear if we are 100% for God.

Shalom

Edited to change the word "percussion" to "persecution."

The spell checker does not always correct word choices, however if the noise of the beating drum against us sounds like it is like percussion then the noise of their percussion instrument is meant to cause us to fear them as they aggressively challenge our faith and trust in the Lord by their loud shouting etc.

I don't agree with your thoughts and words. My faith and trust in Him is not tested, enemy has blinded your eyes, spiritually so you donot see or understand things spiritually. You and few others teach me I donot like, there is no encouragement or meaningful talk, even though you share I donot like.

I donot agree. People of prosperous Country are a blessing around the world, God is working in these people of prosperous Country in a level you may not understand.
God's Spirit is working everywhere


Even if someone like me want to learn, grow and work for the Lord, you have problems and it can be seen in your response. You are ever ready to judge, look down and argue. You should read good samaritan it may help you to understand better.

I told earlier you are spiritually blinded so you see fear, lack of faith and trust in God, this is a prayer forum to keep praying even for small thing, you donot know in details but you keep assuming things, you think it's a prayer for outcome you are totally wrong it's a prayer and God will do the best. You and I have different faith and you cannot measure my faith by keeping your faith as standard.
I donot know what responsibility I am not taking, that you know much better than me.

 

[Jay Ross]

I don't agree with your thoughts and words. My faith and trust in Him is not tested

First off, this thread is not in the Prayer forum. This thread is found in this area of the forum: -

Community Fellowship Forums (Christians Only), - General Discussion​

Now if you were not so thin skinned and had understood what I had posted, then, your response, which is your normal response to anything that I post in threads that you have generated, shows that your understanding of what God requires of us is very shallow and lacking in understanding.

What I had posted was more general and was addressed to many more people than just you.

I have stopped supporting your directive so as to pray to force God's hand to do what you are requesting by having others pray for these things.

God is very patient and is always drawing people to Himself. Sadly, it is the person's response and their desires that block God's blessing in their lives.

As for

You should read good Samaritan it may help you to understand better.

last year I spent eight weeks in Nepal, and while I was there, I was the Good Samaritan blessing many people because of the floods that occurred just before my wife, and I arrived.

I trusted God that I would not run out of funds to provide for the needs of the people and that I would hear from Him as to whom I should bless. I am a retired person and our ability to travel to Nepal will be dictated by our health and physical abilities to move about with ease in the future and the funds that we have at our disposal to travel and bless others.

It is interesting that there has been another earthquake along the line of the high Himalayan mountains, but this time it was to the west of the previous earthquake. I am sure that there will be a need for funds to help out because of this present earthquake occurred. I will wait on God to see if I am required to help out.

When we went to Nepal, we did not go with fear or asked many people to pray for us while we were there, but I am sure that God raised up intercessors to cover us in prayer while we were there. We went trusting God to keep us safe in our travels.

May the Lord give you a backbone so that you are more capable of standing up for God and what He is asking you to do.

Shalom

 

[My Dreams]

First off, this thread is not in the Prayer forum. This thread is found in this area of the forum: -

Community Fellowship Forums (Christians Only), - General Discussion​

Now if you were not so thin skinned and had understood what I had posted, then, your response, which is your normal response to anything that I post in threads that you have generated, shows that your understanding of what God requires of us is very shallow and lacking in understanding.

What I had posted was more general and was addressed to many more people than just you.

I have stopped supporting your directive so as to pray to force God's hand to do what you are requesting by having others pray for these things.

God is very patient and is always drawing people to Himself. Sadly, it is the person's response and their desires that block God's blessing in their lives.

As for

last year I spent eight weeks in Nepal, and while I was there, I was the Good Samaritan blessing many people because of the floods that occurred just before my wife, and I arrived.

I trusted God that I would not run out of funds to provide for the needs of the people and that I would hear from Him as to whom I should bless. I am a retired person and our ability to travel to Nepal will be dictated by our health and physical abilities to move about with ease in the future and the funds that we have at our disposal to travel and bless others.

It is interesting that there has been another earthquake along the line of the high Himalayan mountains, but this time it was to the west of the previous earthquake. I am sure that there will be a need for funds to help out because of this present earthquake occurred. I will wait on God to see if I am required to help out.

When we went to Nepal, we did not go with fear or asked many people to pray for us while we were there, but I am sure that God raised up intercessors to cover us in prayer while we were there. We went trusting God to keep us safe in our travels.

May the Lord give you a backbone so that you are more capable of standing up for God and what He is asking you to do.

Shalom

I donot like your words and thoughts for sure, and this is not the way God's Word is delivered for sure.

You have problems and getting irritated with the prayer request, I put forward, I cannot please you. You are self righteous in your ways , God should be the judge and not you, God should decide and you should pray even ask others to pray and there is nothing wrong.

It's your own choice, not to pray but I believe prayer request should be put forward for prayers.

I think you should think twice before telling any prayer request of mine as " directive", force God's hand. You should say me sorry.

God will bless you for your work but you should not taunt me by saying " we didnot ask many people to pray for us. You should say sorry!.

 

[Rita]

Open post …….
Unbelievers, have posted on social media to gather, attack Christians, with weapons kill everyone, assault woman children.

Should these believers sharpen sword and attack and kill these unbelievers if they attack. It's their own place village and houses but others with attack because they are believers.

Thank you!……..

@My Dreams
This is in response to your last post aimed at Jay. I can see no prayer request in your opening post, all I see is a question. Given that this is in the General Forum and asks a question, it is only natural that people are going to respond with their thoughts on what you have shared.
Jay was just offering some thoughts , like the rest of us xx