Should sin triumph over grace in the end?
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Behold
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Universalism is a religion that All Atheist can adore and believe., and they die and go to Hell, believing it.
Its designed for the skeptic... or the person who has no use for that "shed blood of Jesus stuff"... "and that stupid bible"........Its a way for the agnostic to never fall on their knees before God, humbly, and feel truly sorry for their sin.
Universalism is the religion of the Pride filled, religious.
Its a "get out of Hell" for Free Card that doesn't work.
See, if you believe that God saved you, and you were never saved........
See the problem, with universalism?
Hell is filled with these deceived people....
"Oh, you mean i had to TRUST IN CHRIST">.... .. but i was told I was already THERE....... by this LIAR who told me i was already saved...
A.) Not quite
A Clever devil created universalism...... but compared to Calvin... the Deceiver who created Universalism, is a infant devil.
Calvin is the 5-Star General of Devils.
He's the Mt Everest of Devils.
Calvin to The Cross, is like Hitler to the Jews.
Behold
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Lets see if this is something you can relate to... @St. SteVen
If a person is not born again..........and i told them..........>"hey, did you know you are already a Christian"...
So, what have i now committed against them?
I've committed the lie of "Universalism"....
I have just kept them, from giving their Faith In Christ to God........
Understand?
That is "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit"
Why? Because i have prevented them from trusting in Christ, because i told them they are already there..... = "you're already saved"..."Everybody is Saved"...."already". = Universalism
They dont have to BELIEVE In Jesus,.., NOW..........according to what i just told them......They can have NO FAITH IN CHRIST... as i just sold them the Lie that they are already a Christian.......already Saved.
I just sent them to Hell, after they die.
How many have you sent there @St. SteVen ????
Understand?
You better figure it out., and stop sending them there, as that is the Devil's work.
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Obviously you are completely ignorant about Universalism. - LOL
I'm not surprised. (sigh)
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Eternally Grateful
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Of stating the truth?
What he stated was truth.
since when is the truth hate speech? This world is losing its mind
Eternally Grateful
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Universalism, of any brand. Is false. and is dangerous. as it will excuse people to continue in unbelief, and end up causing their eternal doom
For the record, no brand of Universalism encourages people to continue in unbelief. Whatever that means. - LOL
Unbelief = anything that disagrees with your opinion?
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Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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You know what I mean my friend. Now your being sarkastic and argumentative.
I am sorry but your dead wrong. If I do not need to believe in Jesus because I love my sin, Universalism says I can continue to not believe in Jesus, because I will be saved anyway.
Keep going my friend. You will have to answer to God one day.
Wick Stick
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Are you referring to purgatory here? The idea that the wicked dead are "refined" by fire and come out the other side purified?
St. SteVen said:
Yes, I believe everyone is already saved due to the complete work of Christ on the cross.
But this does not mean that there will not be a judgement/evaluation of each individual. It's not a free pass into heaven. In fact I believe that some who think they have any easy way in will face some serious corrective measures.
There is a similarity, but I am not suggesting the Catholic form of purgatory.
This is not limited to "the wicked dead". (whatever that means)
I am referring to an Age of Restoration. (Day = Age)
There will be judgement/evaluation of each nation, leader (government and religious) and each individual.
Each one will be evaluated/rewarded/corrected/restored. We are already familiar with how it works.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15 NIV
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.
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Yes, I believe everyone is already saved due to the complete work of Christ on the cross.
But this does not mean that there will not be a judgement/evaluation of each individual. It's not a free pass into heaven. In fact I believe that some who think they have any easy way in will face some serious corrective measures.
Good questions.
There is a similarity, but I am not suggesting the Catholic form of purgatory.
This is not limited to "the wicked dead". (whatever that means)
I am referring to an Age of Restoration. (Day = Age)
There will be judgement/evaluation of each nation, leader (government and religious) and each individual.
Each one will be evaluated/rewarded/corrected/restored. We are already familiar with how it works.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15 NIV
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.
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Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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St. SteVen said:
Yes, I believe everyone is already saved due to the complete work of Christ on the cross.
1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:32, 36
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.
Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
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Yes, I believe everyone is already saved due to the complete work of Christ on the cross.
Honestly, why is that a problem? Sorry that you still don't understand.
1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:32, 36
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.
Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
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Wick Stick
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It sounds similar to the Orthodox concept - purgation rather than purgatory. The people are cleansed by fire, but it isn't a place, it is just the consequence of the presence of God.
Lambano
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Dang, @St. SteVen, I didn't know you had that power. Sheesh, you'd think everybody would be nicer to you if they knew you could send them to the infernal regions.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Already saved?
Do you mean the whole world will become Born Again?
It’s because of the completed work of Christ on the cross that we can become Born Again, if you are saved, then you must know that you are Born Again.
You can’t be saved from eternal damnation, just by believing the cross ,for a start ,no one can believe that the cross happened, not until one is Born of The Spirit, then you have the Spirit witnessing that truth to your heart/spirit..
You need divine heart revelation to know that Jesus died on that cross, only the Spirit can witness that like I explained.
Without being Born Of The Spirit, you can only believe in one’s own spirit, sadly, there is no power in one’s own belief/spirit..there is only power in the Spirit, Gods word says, no one can call Jesus Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the only one who can witness that truth to your heart/spirit.
Only a Born Again can see and hear through the Spirit..,that’s what happens when we become Born Again our spirit becomes sensitive to the Holy Spirit...we are Spirit led.
Without being Born Of The Spirit, one will never hear or see , we would still be in darkness...when we’re birthed, were birthed into the Spirit of God, that can only come by divine heart revelation , which is Alive and Active the spirit birth.
[16] But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. [17] For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
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