Should Christians Be Slandering Politicians?

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@Lambano said.

Nah, I think they enjoy the pride and ego.


RJ.me too at one time, until I woke up...it ruins our fellowship with God,it takes us further away from him,imo.

My heat is only for God....I pray I get as close to his heart as I possibly can..In Jesus Name! Amen!

Luke 9:23 ESV / 14 helpful votes​

And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.
 
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Yes. This is a point I was making earlier. Even family and friends can deeply offend one another when they are at odds over political issues and it shouldn't be amongst Christians. I've seen it on the forums as well. Last election cycle I was still here, and a sister (I will not name her) said something I found deeply offensive about the candidate I was hoping would win, and I said something back. She said something back, and it darn near ended the friendship.

People including Christians hurt one another over issues like this, and the hurt leads to more hurt, and even to families being broken up and destroyed. We should be wiser than to be letting that happen.

I am understanding of the troubling matters that you, I and others have encountered in forums related to debates becoming heated, including political ones. And I know the moderators and also members have spoken out about Christian to Christian proper communication similar to what is usually found in an in-person congregation of a local Church building which is more kind, gentle and loving. I think the internet is quite different for many reasons.

I agree with some other posters in this thread on issues related to providing correction to other Christians and sometimes non-Christians. I know God would like us to do that in a manner consistent with how he would do that as in Fatherly love direction to provide for happy and joyful child of God interactions. He is slow to anger and gave us direction to be gentle along with other goodness:

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

I know often times Jesus' great example was to remain silent, but I did love the fact that he spoke out and corrected a lot of believers in the bible including his disciples. We are not the great example of Jesus, God's only begotten son, but we are loved by God and hopefully we all understand that and are not quick to be contentious:

1 Corinthians 11:16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

I think we should represent God as Christians in example in regard to communication and other conduct. I like the idea of bringing matters of correction up to the God in prayer before just responding. I know that probably doesn't happen much especially on social media. There is this lack of proper communication when exchanging that communication in a written English language, along with intentional internet disruptive persons that might be foreign country attempts at election steering which is a current news presented concern, and other persons promoting intentional internet disruptions. I know God does not always want us to correct someone and there is a matter of wisdom in waiting and as they say "choosing your battles wisely". But when God's loving Holy Spirit and other directions from God come up, I hope that myself included will stand up for goodness from God and represent God and his gospel message.

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I think I have noticed that with written communication like that found in social media there sometimes are multiple ways to interpret a statement and sometimes we may not interpret statements the way they were intended. I prefer in person interaction with vocal tones, facial expressions, body language and other clues that help in healthy communication between people.

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Thank you for your time. Cheers :)
 
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@TLHKAJ

Your post no. 82 to me will not copy.

I'm sorry I'm not really following along well and am not reading a lot of posts....
Why are you posting the meaning of HONOR to me?
Did you not agree with my meaning or are you adding to it?

Also, I'd like to hear your opinion on my post.
Are we supposed to honor EVERYONE?
 
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I am understanding of the troubling matters that you, I and others have encountered in forums related to debates becoming heated, including political ones. And I know the moderators and also members have spoken out about Christian to Christian proper communication similar to what is usually found in an in-person congregation of a local Church building which is more kind, gentle and loving. I think the internet is quite different for many reasons.

I agree with some other posters in this thread on issues related to providing correction to other Christians and sometimes non-Christians. I know God would like us to do that in a manner consistent with how he would do that as in Fatherly love direction to provide for happy and joyful child of God interactions. He is slow to anger and gave us direction to be gentle along with other goodness:

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

I know often times Jesus' great example was to remain silent, but I did love the fact that he spoke out and corrected a lot of believers in the bible including his disciples. We are not the great example of Jesus, God's only begotten son, but we are loved by God and hopefully we all understand that and are not quick to be contentious:

On remaining silent....
FOR EVIL TO FLOURISH
ALL THAT IS NECESSARY IF FOR GOOD TO DO NOTHING.

I remember many years ago when the Gay problem began to be addressed because gays were truly persecuted.
Then, after some time (a long time) they began to deman marriage, adoption of children, etc.

A big problem, as far as I can see, is that the church and society as a whole DID NOTHING to counteract what they were doing as a group and which was very calculated.

It took time, but what they wanted came to pass as it plain today, and I shudder to say, that it has gone beyond that all the way to woke
philosophy.

So, I'm not one that believes that remaining silent solves any problem.

The OP did bring up the word SLANDER....

I'd like to say that slander is wrong...lying is wrong...

but speaking the truth is good and it should be done in a civil and polite manner.
BUT IT SHOULD BE DONE!!

1 Corinthians 11:16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

I think we should represent God as Christians in example in regard to communication and other conduct. I like the idea of bringing matters of correction up to the God in prayer before just responding. I know that probably doesn't happen much especially on social media. There is this lack of proper communication when exchanging that communication in a written English language, along with intentional internet disruptive persons that might be foreign country attempts at election steering which is a current news presented concern, and other persons promoting intentional internet disruptions. I know God does not always want us to correct someone and there is a matter of wisdom in waiting and as they say "choosing your battles wisely". But when God's loving Holy Spirit and other directions from God come up, I hope that myself included will stand up for goodness from God and represent God and his gospel message.

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I think I have noticed that with written communication like that found in social media there sometimes are multiple ways to interpret a statement and sometimes we may not interpret statements the way they were intended. I prefer in person interaction with vocal tones, facial expressions, body language and other clues that help in healthy communication between people.

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Thank you for your time. Cheers :)
 

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Tish Tosh! LoL. Try harder!!!!

Love you, sister. Read my post above (#93). It's not impossible to see something good in others if you determine to really try. Chkl:
Why tish tosh?

There might be something good in everyone.
Kamala might be a good mother....
But she's not running for mother.

Hitler might have been a good companion....
But that didn't stop him from killing 6 million persons ON PURPOSE TO GET RID OF THEIR RACE.

Plus, you used the word SLANDER in the OP.

If I tell the truth about someone, and it's TRUE...
It's NOT SLANDER...it's just simply the truth.

Slander means to ruin someone's reputation by lying about them....
So WHY did you even use the word slander?

What lies do you think are being told about either Kamala or Trump?

Some are calling Trump Hitler....that is definitely slander since it's a lie and could conceivably damage his reputation.

So I'm not here to discuss whether or not something good could be found in EVERY person....
But to reply to your OP...

I DO believe that we, as Christians, should watch how we speak and attempt to be civil, but I know from experience that sometimes we fall away from this and I doubt very much that it could be stopped 100%.
 
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AH! Good question. :Thumbsup:

The whole concept of praying positively for political leaders I actually oppose is somewhat new to me as well, because I've been an American my whole life, and freedom was equated with just bickering about politics even in the churches.

But if I were give an example, it would be something along the lines of "Father, I pray for Kamala Harris that should she be elected you will fulfill the prophecy spoken over her. Open her eyes to see that while others might have used her as a pawn, You will use her to thwart their plans, and bring true justice and unity to the nation. Remind her of her heritage, and the love her parents had for her and to see justice done in their nation through political means, and restore good relations between the various races of this nation. Let her be a friend of both rich and poor alike, and bring the nation together, united in a spirit of liberty and justice for all that pleases You."

That's a prayer. She would likely have to have her eyes opened as the prophecy says before it would happen, but those would be the words I would pray, or something similar. I wasn't standing in the company of other Spirit-filled believers, and if I was and the anointing hit me the words might be much stronger, but it's just an example.
Oh i agree i pray every day

other than that though how do we serve them, an more importantly. How do we make sure they lose power before thy destroy my country? And help take away even the basic freedom to worship my god
 
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Oh i agree i pray every day

other than that though how do we serve them, an more importantly. How do we make sure they lose power before thy destroy my country? And help take away even the basic freedom to worship my god
RHS

One of my Catholic born again friends here tells me that if Kamala wins, it'll be because God is bringing about the end and this would help it along, IOW, it's would be His plan.

That may well be the case,,,,but since I can't be sure....I'd rather not be one of those that helps the end to be realized.
I'd like a nice world to exist for my children and their children.

The left has gone mad...and it's not slander to say so; it's just the truth.
 

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One of my Catholic born again friends here tells me that if Kamala wins, it'll be because God is bringing about the end and this would help it along, IOW, it's would be His plan.

That may well be the case,,,,but since I can't be sure....I'd rather not be one of those that helps the end to be realized.
I'd like a nice world to exist for my children and their children.

The left has gone mad...and it's not slander to say so; it's just the truth.
When you do not understand the difference between a male and a female. There is something wrong inside.. and when you promote thos who ar confused about it. Your even more evil

I like how paul put it in romans 1

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like [h]corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
 

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When you do not understand the difference between a male and a female. There is something wrong inside.. and when you promote thos who ar confused about it. Your even more evil

I like how paul put it in romans 1

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like [h]corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Amen brother!
later....
 

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That's actually correct, IMO. It nether warns, corrects nor edifies. It just defames and ridicules.

How have you been, Ronald? Glad to see you are still around. :Thumbsup:
All things considered doing well. I have been diagnosed with cancer of the kidney and will be needing surgery soon to remove the tumor and at least part of my left kidney, but the prognosis for full recovery is excellent.
 

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All things considered doing well. I have been diagnosed with cancer of the kidney and will be needing surgery soon to remove the tumor and at least part of my left kidney, but the prognosis for full recovery is excellent.

I'm so glad to hear that. I will put you in my prayers, which I am about to go to here soon.

As the Lord wills maybe we can discuss some theology in a Spirit of good will.

Your friend,
Hidden
 

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I came to the conclusion that the real New Testament answer was no.

Pointing out that how politicians are acting against Biblical principles is not slander. See my thread
 

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Ok, let's take a different tack then
Because you are implying the tack taken has been defeated. And you want your conclusion supported and rather than concede the point, change the subject from slander to something else.

It all comes down to the question of whether one considers the politician our master or servant. We have every right to judge our servant and find them wanting. This is the basic difference between us being citizens and NT writers being subjects, who had masters in the Roman government.
 

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Pointing out that how politicians are acting against Biblical principles is not slander. See my thread

Afternoon, Wrangler.

I didn't read the article, but I agree with you here. I mentioned earlier that discussing political issues while remain respectful is not only permissible to Christians but necessary in order to make an informed vote. It's only in being slanderous the I think we depart from the Biblical command to honor our leaders.
 

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Many politicians have proven themselves unworthy of respect.

Ok, this statement is true, but it's what you appear to be doing with it where we would have to disagree. I keep referring to the Roman emperors who were the supreme governmental authorities on earth during NT times, and they did all KINDS of things that could be said to prove them unworthy of respect. But the NT teaching was not, "Honor and respect only those rulers you deem worthy of respect." The command was simply to honor all who are in authority, not for everything they did or were doing, but because of the positions of authority they held in the earth.