Should Christians Be Slandering Politicians?

[Ritajanice]

@Hidden In Him ....only if they get caught.

Our priminister got caught lying, Boris Johnson....you gotta catch them my friend ...

Other than that, we will never know,imo.

Innocent until proven guilty..

 

[Hidden In Him]

I sense you want to push people to Honor leaders for everything they do, which is not right.

NO, LoL. Again, Nero was burning Christians alive. Nowhere did they advocate honoring them for doing things like that. Maybe wicked men who hated Christians honored them for doing things like that, but the Christian was to honor them if nothing else for their position, to hopefully turn good to evil.

This was the point of this piece I wrote below, and it was the basis behind the Biblical commands. Even when leaders were evil to us, we were to seek to turn them from darkness to light, and overcome evil with good:

Overcoming "Evil" With Good: The Christian Response To Politics

Overcoming "Evil" With Good: The Christian Response To Politics Wrote this study out at another forum recently, and thought I would post it here. Responses are welcome, Hidden In Him Another Presidential election is almost here in the United States, and the ugliness and vitriol are at...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Ritajanice]

Back in the day ,many imo knew about some politicians lying,I believe some even covered up their lies for them,...back in the day, many were to scared to come forward.

Thankfully in this time, that has all changed.

Ps, forgot to say all imo of course.

 

[Hidden In Him]

For example, if they conflict with righteousness, and force you to do unrighteous things, then obeying them is not to be done.

No, no. They didn't advocate for this either, and quite obviously. Quite the contrary, the command was to honor them even when they treated us abusively for NOT doing everything they commanded that we had to do. That's kinda the point. The Lord knew there would be things we could not in good conscience do, so He was saying to honor them in our prayers so that they knew it was not because we did not disrespect them but simply because we could not sin before the eyes of our God.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Would you Honor Kim Jung Un as a god in North Korea??

North Korean kids told Kim Jong-un 'is a god who can read their thoughts'

North Korean defector Yeonmi Park has spoken of her childhood in the hermit kingdom, where children are forced to take classes where they criticise and attack each other

www.mirror.co.uk

If you live there and do not, you may have a short life on the earth.

Same reasons as I just explained.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Did John lose his eternal life by not honoring King Herod?
Was God mad at John for what John said to Herod?

Ah, now this is a different matter. The scriptures never taught not to correct or rebuke a leader by the Spirit of God when the Lord called a prophet to do so. That would be to say that God Himself could not address a leader over their sins, and it would place them on a level above mere human beings, which they are not.

God could address leaders through the prophets with rebukes and even chastisements on occasion. The problem here is some could presume to be a prophet and speak for God when they were only speaking from their flesh. I think the command for you and I was to honor them in our prayers to turn them from evil to good.

 

[Hidden In Him]

One thing I don't like about the article I referenced; is the idea God is the Father of all men.
This is not true.
Only those born of God are called the children of God, and children of God have Him as their Father, because he brought about their new birth. You must be born again, as in born of God to have God as your father and only they have the right to be called children of God.

Let me come back to reading the article later. I'd be tempted to tell you the answers are the same as what I just gave you, but maybe I should read through it first when I have time.

Blessings,
- H

 

[Hidden In Him]

People have opinions based on knowledge they trust or give plausible weight to a possibility per circumstances…
And then how it is spoken…” I think “…implies an opinion or possibility…
They ‘are’ implies general or revealed knowledge as an evidence.

I think my reply would fall largely the same here as I gave in Post #46, Taken. Tell me if that addresses what you were saying, and blessings in Christ. Good to see that you are well.

 

[Hidden In Him]

No big words!
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I'll work on it, LoL. Sometimes I extrapolate too far, and it exacerbates the situation. Other times I can be a taciturn at circumlocution, so pick your poison.

 

[Hidden In Him]

While reading news articles from either of the two main party sources which I believe are Fox News and CNN, I always like to skip the news presenter directed commentary due to sometimes suspicion that bias is inserted into the message.

They are usually the worst examples for Christians to follow, yet many do, possibly because they have been sucked into the entertainment industry that today's news media has become. They are TRYING to generate bias and animosity, because it keeps them in business and prospering. It's like televised click bait.

To make my own position clear, Dev, I am all for Christians being informed and discussing the ins and outs, the pros and the conns, in order to make responsible decisions and be informed and conscientious voters. I just think that the NT commands us to do so respectfully, in order again to turn darkness to light.

 

[TLHKAJ]

It says to honor those who are in governmental authority over us

During the great tribulation, should ones choosing not to take the mark also honor the beast?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Our kids and families lives are affected by Politicians. as are our churches and our freedoms to worship God.

If this is threatened, and we can do something about it (like Vote0 then we as believers should not only speak out. but vote. and the church should be leading the charge.

Ok agreed. But again, the NT mentality was that we also helped do something about it by being the most model citizens we could be, so that even if they treated us wickedly, their hearts might be turned and see that we had done nothing to deserve it. This was Peter's point with the following:

Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king... what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.... Sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.

In other words, we were helping our situation by silencing the accusations of wicked men through righteous conduct.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hey,@Hidden In Him

How can we prove a politician to be lying?

I’m saying nought,LOL

Pretty darn crafty aren't they, LoL.

A prophet of God can see through all the politician speak, for as Scripture says, He sees the heart, and He is a Discerner of its intents. Now many of us can assume we know, but do we... Now that is not to say that whether a politician's claims are lies could not be discussed respectfully amongst the body of Christ. I think they should be. But again, what's the tenor. Is it to respectfully say that I think so and so is trying to pull the wool over our eyes, or is to say he's a no good, lying snake in the grass and we ought to take him out and throw him off the nearest cliff, LoL.

 

[marks]

I sense you want to push people to Honor leaders for everything they do, which is not right.

We honor them - value them - as people created in the image of God for whom Jesus died to save. But that doesn't mean we whitewash whatever they do.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Ok agreed. But again, the NT mentality was that we also helped do something about it by being the most model citizens we could be, so that even if they treated us wickedly, their hearts might be turned and see that we had done nothing to deserve it. This was Peter's point with the following:

The underlying answer to this question is Love. If we have love for others, even our enemies, meaning, that we have the heartfelt desire for the other's well being, in every sense, that we have the intent in our heart to act accordingly.

Failing to honor others is failing to love them. If you love them, you will give them honor.

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

@Hidden In Him ....only if they get caught.

Our priminister got caught lying, Boris Johnson....you gotta catch them my friend ...

Other than that, we will never know,imo.

Innocent until proven guilty..

Blessings in Christ, and you weren't here when I was here before, but so far I like you, LoL.

Without divine revelation or word of knowledge, Innocent until proven guilty is the right response. We are to try and see the best in others, which is what it means to honor all men.

Thanks for the responses. Enjoying reading your posts.

 

[Hidden In Him]

During the great tribulation, should ones choosing not to take the mark also honor the beast?

Again, we must differentiate between honoring leaders and obeying every word they say. Two different things. Now as for hoping to somehow turn the Antichrist from darkness to light, no. I would not put any hope in that, but as I was saying, there are other reasons for being model citizens in how we speak of leaders. I still need to post that, so let me do that first when I get back, and I'll come back to you on this.

Blessings,
- H

@marks. Good morning Mark. I'll get to your responses when I have time later.
- H

 

[TLHKAJ]

Without divine revelation or word of knowledge, Innocent until proven guilty is the right response. We are to try and see the best in others, which is what it means to honor all men.

Would you say that truth is important, then?

 

[TLHKAJ]

Again, we must differentiate between honoring leaders and obeying every word they say.

So, do you believe people should pray for the antichrist?

 

[Hidden In Him]

The underlying answer to this question is Love. If we have love for others, even our enemies, meaning, that we have the heartfelt desire for the other's well being, in every sense, that we have the intent in our heart to act accordingly.

Failing to honor others is failing to love them. If you love them, you will give them honor.

Much love!

Wow! Are we on the same page on this one.

How have you been, old friend? If you could, please pray for me. I'm trying to get over a sinus infection, and it's irritating. I've been fighting it for at least a week now, and I wanna get back to doing some fasting and prayer (not just prayer), but I feel too crappy to do it yet.

And thanks for the excellent response. The above was putting it better than I do.