Shiites: Syria War Will Ignite the End Times

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Ezekiel 38 on the horizon?
 

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We are truly living in days where the biblical prophecy is being fulfilled...Isaiah 17? :huh:
 

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Every hint of war in the Middle East gets people all worked up about the end times
 

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Angelina said:
We are truly living in days where the biblical prophecy is being fulfilled...Isaiah 17? :huh:
Isaiah 17 was fulfilled more than 2500 years ago with the Assyrian conquest of the kingdom of Damascus. Jeremiah uttered another prophecy of destruction against Damascus a couple of hundred years later, which was fulfilled by Nebuchadnezzar.

Context. Very little in bible prophecy centers around us.
 

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Brother killing brother,cain vs abel.We seem to forget the fact that Abraham was a syrian.
 

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Isaiah 17 was fulfilled more than 2500 years ago with the Assyrian conquest of the kingdom of Damascus. Jeremiah uttered another prophecy of destruction against Damascus a couple of hundred years later, which was fulfilled by Nebuchadnezzar.
I respectfully disagree...

Isaiah 17:1 (ESV)
An oracle concerning Damascus. Behold, Damascus will cease to be a city and will become a heap of ruins.

The city of Damascus still stands...pop:2.527 million
 

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Angelina said:
I respectfully disagree...

Isaiah 17:1 (ESV)
An oracle concerning Damascus. Behold, Damascus will cease to be a city and will become a heap of ruins.

The city of Damascus still stands...pop:2.527 million
So does Jerusalem. It was completely destroyed, and then rebuilt

Damascus was destroyed and rebuilt, just like Jerusalem.
 

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Damascus has never been completely destroyed or left uninhabited at any time in history. Neither has it ever been a "heap of ruins". It is noted to be "one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world." Isaiah 1 indicates that this city will cease to exist. Scholars believe that this prophecy has only been partially fulfilled after the defeat of the Arameans and Damascus by the Assyrians in 732 bc.
 

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Angelina said:
Damascus has never been completely destroyed or left uninhabited at any time in history. Neither has it ever been a "heap of ruins". It is noted to be "one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world." Isaiah 1 indicates that this city will cease to exist. Scholars believe that this prophecy has only been partially fulfilled after the defeat of the Arameans and Damascus by the Assyrians in 732 bc.
When a city was sacked and its population exiled (as the Assyrians were famous for doing), then yes, it became a heap of ruins. Isaiah 17 doesn't say that Damascus will physically cease to exist. That is something that people read into the text. A city is more than buildings. The city-kingdom of Damascus was completely destroyed by the Assyrians, just like Israel was by them.
 

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HammerStone said:
The Institute on Religion & Democracy posted this up yesterday. I've heard a number of rumblings about the Mahdi, but this makes a little more sense of the chaos. I don't believe that a political motivation alone could sustain the energy over there.

http://juicyecumenism.com/2013/09/16/shiites-syria-war-will-ignite-end-times/
The ignition point for the end times, if such a thing may be said to exist, was the UN partition of Palestine in 1947 which led to the formation of the State of Israel a year later. Since that time all Muslim extremists have used the eradication of Israel as a rallying point for their rhetoric and activity.

The absolute core of all Biblical eschatology is the State of Israel. Israel and its people have always played center stage on every single historic reference in the Bible and in nearly every promise for the political future of man.

That being said, attempts to find a pattern for current political alignments in the middle east remain muddy at best.

A central figure of leadership has been sought since 1948 with the only temporary solution being Gamal Abdul Nassar in the 1950s. Nasser was established as leader of Egypt by the CIA, reasoning that what American interests needed in the area was a Muslim 'Billy Graham' who was moderate toward Israel. Unfortunately fools rule in Washington and it didn't take long for Nasser to be driven toward Russian influence and a more aggressive stand toward Israel. It didn't help much either to have Israeli jets buzzing the capital of Cairo so low that their engines would break hotel windows.

The 1956 war with Israel put a quick end to Nasser's alliance with Syria and after his death shortly thereafter the entire region lost all candidates for leadership for several decades.

It should be remembered that the division between Shiite and Sunni Islam is a deep one and not easily bridged. If a charismatic leader arises who is not a fool, as many are these days, he could prove to be very dangerous. It should be noted here that Mohammad al-Mahdi, the 12th caliph of Islam is more of an office than a real person. The 'office' of Adolph Hitler, for example, was chancellor and fuhrer (meaning 'leader').

The point of final ignition according to Islamic & Christian eschatology will be the advent of a charismatic leader in Islam who will have the ability and the wisdom to unite the warring factions. When that happens we had better all start studying survivalist methods. Until then, we can continue to live in our accustomed apathy.

There are key factors at play that may signal great changes. One is finance - the very basis for our monetary exchange. Currently global currency is based upon the dollar and debt leverage. More and more nations are gravitating away from this to a commodity based currency - oil, agricultural production, natural gas and gold, for example.

Russia is a quiet leader in the push for a commodity based financial system and is providing huge amounts of natural gas to western Europe even as we read these words. Mr. Putin has a huge amount of influence with European decision making because of it. Watch and learn, pilgrim.

Shiite oil producers want to move away from the dollar too and nations like China need oil to fuel their massive industry. China buys oil from Shiite Iran with gold. So does Turkey, a Sunni state. Interesting? Gold is being traded openly and increasingly for commodities like oil and gas.

We have all of us read of the reemergence of gold and the likelihood that the US & UK system of debt may collapse. It's imminent we are told. It's so bad that a small incident may trigger a panic that will shift the financial center of power away from the west to those nations which are not altogether friendly toward Israel.

If a Muslim Billy Graham and his charismatic leader should arise during such a financial paradigm shift, we will all of us be in a lot of trouble.

Men's hearts will fail for fear.

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
When a city was sacked and its population exiled (as the Assyrians were famous for doing), then yes, it became a heap of ruins. Isaiah 17 doesn't say that Damascus will physically cease to exist. That is something that people read into the text. A city is more than buildings. The city-kingdom of Damascus was completely destroyed by the Assyrians, just like Israel was by them.
I beg to differ...Although Damascus has seen much war and had been invaded many times, it has come out relatively unscathed. It has not ceased from being a city nor has it been completely destroyed or been a "heap of ruins". The city had not been left uninhabited after the Assyrian invasion. I agree to disagree on your synopsis... we shall see what the present events will unfold....

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Angelina said:
I beg to differ...Although Damascus has seen much war and had been invaded many times, it has come out relatively unscathed. It has not ceased from being a city nor has it been completely destroyed or been a "heap of ruins". The city had not been left uninhabited after the Assyrian invasion. I agree to disagree on your synopsis... we shall see what the present events will unfold....

Shalom!!!
Damascus is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on earth.

If walls could speak, what stories would we hear from them?

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

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HammerStone said:
The Institute on Religion & Democracy posted this up yesterday. I've heard a number of rumblings about the Mahdi, but this makes a little more sense of the chaos. I don't believe that a political motivation alone could sustain the energy over there.

http://juicyecumenism.com/2013/09/16/shiites-syria-war-will-ignite-end-times/
Hi,

Ezekiel 38
10 “Thus says the Lord God: On that day thoughts will come into your mind, and you will devise an evil scheme 11 and say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages; I will fall upon the quiet people who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having no bars or gates’; ...

Where Syria is certainly under internal and external strife, they presently maintain an effective army (eventhough supplimented by Hezbollah). As such, because Iraq has no effective army, this prophecy might find that better candidacy. And if one were following yesterday's news regarding Fallujah, they might find that Iran (an ally of Russia) has offered to send it's army into Iraq to combat the Taliban.

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-offers-help-iraq-fight-against-al-qaida-065044911.html

Iran offers to help Iraq in fight against al-Qaida
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — A senior Iranian military official says Iran is ready to help Iraq battle al-Qaida "terrorists" in the neighboring country's Sunni-dominated western Anbar province.
Iraqi troops have been trying to dislodge fighters from the al-Qaida group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant from two key cities the militants overran last week.
Gen. Mohammad Hejazi, deputy chief-of-staff of Iran's army, is quoted by Iranian media on Monday as saying the Islamic Republic can offer "military equipment and advisers" should Baghdad ask for it.
Hejazi says: "Iraq is our friend." He ruled out sending troops to Iraq.
Fighting in Iraq's Anbar province killed 22 soldiers and 12 civilians, along with an unknown number of militants on Sunday.
Tehran is an ally of the Shiite-led government in Baghdad.


... hmmmmmmmm ...



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HammerStone said:
The Institute on Religion & Democracy posted this up yesterday. I've heard a number of rumblings about the Mahdi, but this makes a little more sense of the chaos. I don't believe that a political motivation alone could sustain the energy over there.

http://juicyecumenism.com/2013/09/16/shiites-syria-war-will-ignite-end-times/
Mohammand al-Mahdi, or whoever rises to the occasion of the office of twelfth imam of Islam, will have to find a way to unite the major warring factions of Sunni and Shia Islam. This is a difficult task only accomplished by one other Muslim in all of their sad history.

Research SALADIN (Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn Yūsuf ibn Ayyū)

This person was single handedly responsible for kicking the Christians out of the levant during the crusades. He did it by organizing most of the Muslims of his day into a single well organized political fighting group. The problem with Muslims isn't their capacity for fighting, it's their capacity for political division. Those nations who exploit the Muslim tendency for division will remain safe. Those nations who suck up to them and encourage them in unity will suffer the wrath of Allah and whatever earthly fighters come against in its name.

It should be remembered that al-Mahdi is more of an office than a person. Its rather like Caesar, Field-Marshall, Caliph or Pope. While the legend of the coming 12th imam of Islam is dependent upon a semi-historical figure and event, it CAN be filled by an actual living man.

In this case, a man with the abilities, connections and devotion of a modern day Saladin.

If such a man arises in Islam, a darker day the west will never know.

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The point of final ignition according to Islamic & Christian eschatology will be the advent of a charismatic leader in Islam who will have the ability and the wisdom to unite the warring factions. When that happens we had better all start studying survivalist methods. Until then, we can continue to live in our accustomed apathy.
Hello rjp,
I find very little in your posts that I'd disagree with, but I wouldn't put any weight in "Islamic" eschatology, beyond the ability of radicals to make their false prophecy happen. Mohammed was an anti-Christ, his religion is delusional and demonic in origin. The Koran has elements drawn from the scripture, but always twisted to Mohammed's point of view and the abuse of God's word, which has always been Satan's method to deceive and cause men to sin. Israel is certainly the prophetic focus of "end time" events, but the bible is the only reliable source that we can use to interpret those signs (and this by the illumination shed by His Spirit in our hearts and minds.)
When I enlisted in the USAF, back in 1982, I agreed with my recruiter to initially sign up for an MOS of "cryptologic linguist specialist" because it was extra points for him and easy to transfer out of later. When asked my choice of language, I selected Arabic (most were going to school for Russian.) When asked why, I said that our next war would be in the middle east. I was wrong if you want to count our rescue mission on Grenada, but not long after I was discharged from the service (as a ground radio troop) our military "liberated" Kuwait and stopped short of going into Bagdad during operation "Desert Storm." Since I've always had some small skill in writing and wanted to write professionally, I used the free time that I had during flights in my third civilian job, working on a book that was a collection of reminiscences and short stories that was a bit on the dark side (I hadn't been born again yet). In that unpublished book I included a somewhat sarcastic and pessimistic parable about the worship of the "almighty dollar" and the hard lessons being taught to the Arabic world about what the west genuinely values, and by our "military industrial complex." The story ended with the Arabic world putting an end to their tribal warfare, deploying all their remaining weapons at us with a concomitant thermal nuclear response and a very long winter. I should hope that the story was not prophetic, but it certainly presented a possibility of a chain of events.
I took a look at some of the on line information about the nasty little cruise missile package that appears to be in the hands of some of the Arabic nations and as troubling as such stuff is: Most of the witnesses of the first strategic deployments of nuclear weapons are either dead or in nursing homes. 500 kilotons of destructive power is no joke, but pales behind the yield of the lithium deuteride bombs that we developed during the cold war (Hydrogen bombs). The thing is, any large scale Nuclear war would (theoretically) throw enough dust and ash into the atmosphere to cause a "nuclear winter." We can already observe a similar phenomenon going on now due to the large amounts of volcanic ash that has been released into the atmosphere over the last few years (which appears to be currently dominating global weather patterns.) We don't actually find anything like a nuclear winter in the scripture, and since the scripture is true, I don't really anticipate one.
Tactical nukes might be used in another war, but the risk of escalation through retaliation (or in perceived self defense) tends to decrease the odds of them being used. Its true that fanatical Islamic factions might jump at the opportunity to use one, but if they set one off in their backyard (so to speak, Palestine is geographically a very small region, and the surrounding nations are closer than most of our states are to one another) its unlikely that it'll happen twice in the same generation.
The reason that we're here now is God's grace, but in the sixties and during the Cuban missile crisis God's grace was made manifest by fear in the hearts of those who had witnessed the destructive power of the weapons that we'd developed, and backed down from their military posturing. To my knowledge, we've never come closer to total global annihilation than that. While the Bible tells us that there will be "wars and rumors of wars," it also tells us that most of the life on earth will be destroyed in events which sound like natural occurrences (though the plagues could certainly be caused by the accidental or intentional release of modified biological agents.)
Also, I don't think that people in our nation are particularly apathetic (though those in the church may be.) My observance among coworkers is that they are growing increasingly fearful, but know that they are powerless to do anything about what they see happening around them. Some are becoming increasingly resentful of our nation's support of Israel, as they see this making us more of a target in the eyes of the Arabic world and the more liberal media is portraying Israel as the aggressor and oppressor of the Palestinian people. When I have opportunity to share my opinions, I try to present a scriptural understanding of events and encourage men to put their faith in God and in the person of His Son (how this is received is not readily apparent.)
Lately I've been hearing some preachers of popular radio ministries claiming that they see signs of real spiritual revival or awakening, and if this is so, I can't help but think that the Lord is pouring out grace upon people to save as many as possible prior to His return. It seems unlikely in a nation like ours, so consumed with violence, perversity, and the image of ourselves in the closest mirror, but where sin abounds, grace abounds the more.
Don't let your heart grow cold brother. I'm preaching to myself here as much as to you or anyone else. We've received grace when we never deserved it, so it isn't unreasonable to go on extending it to others who don't deserve it. I'm encouraged by your posts more than you might imagine and I hope and pray to be an encouragement to you. Keep on standing, in the choir loft or on the ground. You may not be invited speak in your congregation, but you have a pulpit here and anywhere public discourse remains a freedom. How we are received may sometimes be hurtful, but when we stand our ground with a witness of His grace on our tongues and His Spirit burning in our hearts, we have the assurance that He hears us, even if no one else does. Ultimately, He is the only One we need to please and we do please Him every time we stand in faith, and with every inch that our hearts move toward a greater love for Him who first loved us and gave His life so that we might live.
I'm not in the choir loft, but I do hope to be singing with the congregation in the morning, so I bid you good night and may grace and peace abound all the more to you when the next day breaks.