Secure Eternal Salvation

[Taken]

faith yes!
Faith alone never!

Your preaching makes Jesus a LIAR.
He who knows all things, knows what you preach. Oops!

Luke 7:
[50] And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee

 

[Eternally Grateful]

never said works are the source of grace

1. Romans 10:10
   For with the heart man believeth untorighteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
   
   so salvation includes faith & works

No

Not by works of righteousness which we have done

If it is grace it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Saved BY GRACE through FAITH not of works lest anyone should boast

These are pauls words.

You either deny paul said them. or you claim paul lied

there are no other options

 

[Taken]

@theefaith ~

Caution.
It is one thing to NOT Believe Scripture.
It is entirely another thing to PREACH AGAINST Scripture.

You should study and learn the Depth of Consequences between:
“Rejecting” the Word of God AND “Preaching Against” the Word of God.
The latter is much worse than the former.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

heretic!
Heretics have no truth!
Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6 christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 the church is the truth! 1 Tim 3:15

LOL!!! Cant stand the heat. RC Sproul was a presbyterian, 5 pt calvinist just as i am. And he mic dropped the absolute truth on yall catholics.

 

[Nancy]

Oh good grief, you calling people names, and declaring other people without the truth, because they do not yield to your catholic dogmas, doctrines, rituals, traditions, has nothing whatsoever to do with a person Converted IN Christ.

Oddly curious the most famous catholic basilica boasts to sit atop of dead mans bones.

The Vatican: Photos Reveal What's Beneath St. Peter's

 

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The Vatican: Photos Reveal What's Beneath St. Peter's

That plot of land began as a pagan cemetery. So what is that basilica really built upon. Dead mans bones and treasures of dead men. Curiously odd to boast.

 

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The Vatican: Photos Reveal What's Beneath St. Peter's

Interesting, thanks for sharing. :)

 

[Taken]

not faith alone

Pretending to be in Christ, while openly playing in the devils playground preaching Against the Lord, is a dangerous game.

 

[Renniks]

WRONG - I readyour entire post.

You falselt assert that Catholics believe that we are saved BY water - and I explained that could NOT be further from the truth. I explained repeatedly that the water is simply the TANGIBLE MEANS by which we enter into Christ and receive the Holy Spirit.
I even gave other Biblical examples of hoow tangible means were used to convey God's grace and healing power (Gen. 2:7, John 9:6, James 2:14).

ALL of the verses I gave you in post #1094 convey the message that Baaptism is our response - our cooperation with God's saving grace.
Why YOU continue to rehect those tangible means that GOD Himself instituted shows a lack pof fai5th and nothing more . . .

Then why did you only respond to the first sentence?

 

[Taken]

Then why did you only respond to the first sentence?

It’s a twist of the truth.
They do not claim Salvation, by Water Baptism. The claim to Receive the Holy Spirit, by Water Baptism! Then they WORK, so they will Receive Salvation at physical death.

Does that sound like the “Straight and Narrow Path and Gate”, Jesus taught?

Or more like a man-made detour? Keep sinning, Keep asking for forgiveness of sins, over and over and over....and don’t forget to bring your clink, clink, sin offering.

 

[Renniks]

justified not saved

So I can be justified but not saved?
I got this from a Catholic source:
The concepts of salvation and justification refer to the same work that God does within us, but each emphasizes different aspects.


The gracious action of God which frees us from sin and communicates “the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ” (Rom. 3:22). Justification is not only the remission of sins but also the sanctification and renewal of the interior man (Glossary, Justification).

In light of these two definitions, we can say that the Catholic understanding of salvation (rescued from sin and its eternal consequences) involves justification (right relationship with God and renewed within) and that justification involves salvation.

I don't see how you can claim that one doesn't go together with the other.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Then why did you only respond to the first sentence?

I responded to your ENTIRE post.

I highlighted the first sentence because the entire spirit of your response started with this erroneous statement.

 

[Renniks]

I responded to your ENTIRE post.

I highlighted the first sentence because the entire spirit of your response started with this erroneous statement.

Baptism still doesn't save anyone.
And the verses you quoted agree.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Baptism still doesn't save anyone.
And the verses you quoted agree.

And that kinf of blind, obsstinate statement in the face of ovwewhelming Bibolical evidence to the contrary is based on nothing but spiritual priide.

 

[Illuminator]

So i lied about the jews? I lied about them using history to support they have the truth? I lied about them using History tradition and all the excuses you use, as a means to crucify my savior. Because they considered him a heretic?

Whatever my friend. I am not the brainwashed one. That would be you

Yes that is why we crucify him, But that detracts from the truth of what I said about them. Which yu continue to ignore.

I haven't ignored anything. You are trying to connect the Catholic Church with the bad Jews of the time. You give no evidence. Just wild airhead assertions.

What was their excuse to Jesus? Was it not the fathers? Was it not Abraham? Was it not the law?
As I have said many times, You will only see what you want to see

Whatever my friend. I am not the brainwashed one. That would be you

Yes that is why we crucify him, But that detracts from the truth of what I said about them. Which yu continue to ignore.

I haven't ignored anything. Provide some kind of scholarly evidence (a link will do) that connects the CC with evil Jews. Then the readers might take you seriously. Forum flatulence has never nourished anyone.

Well of course, You can’t admit it. Because it would tear the main root of your argument to shreds..

What is the main root of my argument? It's not me that changes the topic with almost every post.

 

[Oceanprayers]

The 7 sacraments are necessary? For salvation?
Where does Jesus expressly teach that very thing?

Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

You referenced the 7 sacraments. What are the seven sacraments in order? - R4 DN
Are those synopsized in the Ephesians verse?

 

[theefaith]

Oh good grief, you calling people names, and declaring other people without the truth, because they do not yield to your catholic dogmas, doctrines, rituals, traditions, has nothing whatsoever to do with a person Converted IN Christ.

Oddly curious the most famous catholic basilica boasts to sit atop of dead mans bones.

If he is converted and in Christ he would be a heretic but a faithful Christian holding the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42

 

[Renniks]

And that kinf of blind, obsstinate statement in the face of ovwewhelming Bibolical evidence to the contrary is based on nothing but spiritual priide.

I have looked into all the verses. Literally none of them claim baptism saves. Nothing prideful about belief that Jesus alone saves. Believing that I can do some work to save myself however...

 

[theefaith]

You have already been shown, Jesus’ own declaration of saying Faith Saves.
You have already been shown, Works are rewarded.
Why continue to deny the truth?

you must choose to believe
Faith and works in Christ thru grace

faith without works or faith alone is dead

 

[theefaith]

see what?

Justified is a legal term, amazingly the same word is translated justify or righteous depending on how it is used.

We are justified (declaired) righteous based on the cross. Not based on what we do

Those who are justified have been saved from the penalty of sin. It is they who will spend eternity in heaven.

there is no salvation apart from justification

no one who is justified is not saved.

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: