Secure Eternal Salvation

[Taken]

And NOWHERE does it say that Saul persecuted "unconverted believers".
Context is not your friend.

Nice try . . .

LOL...Ya think Saul went went place to place taking a poll if believers were converted or not?

 

[Taken]

I didn't "decide" that non-Catholic, non-Orthodox christians are Protestants - ANY more than I decided that the compound for water is H2O.

It's simply a fact of history cannot be escaped or revised.

The Fact is “individuals” decide what “name tag” applies to “themselves”, except for people like you, who thinks it’s okay for YOU to decide what to “CALL” them.

The Fact is “atheist” is defined too....
shall it be okay for me to “call you” that....like YOU decide for others “WHAT” you “CALL” them?

 

[theefaith]

What is an unconverted believer?

 

[theefaith]

Are they real keys or figurative keys?

jurisdictional authority of the kingdom

 

[theefaith]

I have no problem recognizing anyone who is truly sent from God.
You will never convince me that the Catholic hierarchy is apostolic in any way shape or form.
I have the scriptures and the discernment of the Holy Spirit to know the Catholic church is not of God.

the Holy Spirit cannot lie!

 

[Pearl]

The keys in my view is the gospel.

Exactly what I believe, like the keys to a map which show us what's what.

 

[Pearl]

jurisdictional authority of the kingdom

So we have a figurative gate , a figurative vine, figurative keys, a figurative rock what else is figurative?

 

[Pearl]

the Holy Spirit cannot lie!

Something we agree on.

 

[theefaith]

Then your belief does not count

I am not the one in pride puffing up my church and ignoring the obvious

I am also not the one puffing myself up in pride of how righteous I am and how deserving I am because of all my works

pride must protest and be in rebellion even against Christ and his church

the Bible says the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15
And makes it unthinkable to refuse to listen to his holy church Matt 18;17

 

[Eternally Grateful]

pride must protest and be in rebellion even against Christ and his church

the Bible says the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15
And makes it unthinkable to refuse to listen to his holy church Matt 18;17

lol

The true church can stand on scripture alone

if it is forced to go outside of scripture to prove all of its doctrines.

R%UN don;t walk. away from that church.

Again, your the proud one my friend. Not me.. My faith is in God

 

[ScottA]

There is always some Scripture that concludes a matter of debate in the church:

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

There is eternally secure salvation, just not unconditionally: there must be obedience to the faith. (Rom 1:5)

If we are to be raised together in the likeness of His resurrection, then we must walk together in the manner of His steps by obedience.

The forerunner of our salvation set the example of obedience, even unto the death of the cross.

Salvation begins the race of everlasting life by grace through faith, and ends in resurrection of life with obedience to the faith by grace. Without obedience, faith is dead, and grace cannot save through dead faith.

Once we cease obeying the faith, then we turn from the faith: a race half-run is as a cake half-turned.

The grace of God is given to the believer for help in time of need to overcome temptation, not to be excused in sin: no person sins under grace, with grace, nor graciously.

The grace of God is neither conditional nor unconditional, it is necessary for use in salvation. (Titus 3:14)

We either use it, or lose it. We must grow in grace by obedience, or fall from grace by rebellion.

If we reject the help of grace to overcome sin, then we despise the Spirit of grace for the sake of sin.

Those rejecting grace by willful disobedience to the Word of God are not under grace, but under condemnation:

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

God is not a respecter of persons, excusing the sins of one while judging the same sins of another.

The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked.

Unconditional eternal security and obedience to the faith do not mix, no more than bitter water and sweet:

Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us.

Faith is the lump, obedience is the purge.

The problem with this whole "conditional" idea of salvation, is that the scriptures also say we "were" raised with Him (past tense), and therefore when Christ said "It is finished"...it "was" (past tense).

Stop propagating a false doctrine, which people only do for lack of understanding.

 

[theefaith]

Exactly what I believe, like the keys to a map which show us what's what.

the church is not a democracy
There are no opinions either
Truth period! Accept or reject
That’s it

 

[theefaith]

lol

The true church can stand on scripture alone

if it is forced to go outside of scripture to prove all of its doctrines.

R%UN don;t walk. away from that church.

Again, your the proud one my friend. Not me.. My faith is in God

the true church wrote the New Testament scripture

 

[Pearl]

the church is not a democracy
There are no opinions either
Truth period! Accept or reject
That’s it

It's not a dictatorship either.

 

[Pearl]

the true church wrote the New Testament scripture

But your version of the true church and mine differ.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

the Holy Spirit cannot lie!

I agree completely. That's how I know the Catholic church isn't of God.
See, this is the difference between you and I:

You: The Catholic church is the real church, therefore, I know they can not lie.

Me: The Catholic church can not be the real church because they lie.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

the true church wrote the New Testament scripture

The apostled did. Not the roman catholic church.

the bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit

all the writings post scripture is not.

Your trying to take credit away from God and give it to men why would you do that?

 

[theefaith]

It's not a dictatorship either.

its a kingdom we have a king!

 

[theefaith]

But your version of the true church and mine differ.

that’s the difference between true Christians and you heretics

 

[theefaith]

I agree completely. That's how I know the Catholic church isn't of God.
See, this is the difference between you and I:

You: The Catholic church is the real church, therefore, I know they can not lie.

Me: The Catholic church can not be the real church because they lie.

name one
Be specific