Secure Eternal Salvation

[robert derrick]

Good luck on that!

I mean, if this is in fact true, isn't everyone pretty much out of the running? No one is obedient as Jesus was obedient. Or do you think otherwise? You perhaps? Not me!! That's for sure!!

Much love!

We know Scripture has truly hit the mark, when people respond with stuff like this:

Not me!! That's for sure!!

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

How can any Christian be proud of not being obedient to God, as Jesus was?

The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

Herego, the good man steps according to the order of the Lord, which is to step obediently. With delight.

What's so wrong about being ordered to obey by the Lord?

For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps.

His steps were obedient to the Father as an example for our steps to be obedient to the Son.

Who would argue against that?

I mean, if this is in fact true.

The Scripture is in fact true:

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

With this one plain Scripture, we are watching people separate themselves into the call for obedience and the demand for disobedience.

 

[robert derrick]

Very good post and subject Robert. Obedience is the key, it was disobedience that brought death into this world. As far as I know, there is no Unconditional life granted. Never has been. All of us were created (created, not procreated) to have eternal life, but it was always on the condition that we live within the guidelines of the law of God. When the vast majority of us face the test of the release of satan, and pass it, we come to life Rev 20:5, 7. At that point we gain life, but if we choose to disobey God, well, you know the consequences.

Who can argue for more transgression and reject obedience to the faith as heartless and heretical?

 

[robert derrick]

The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Good soldiers are obedient to the orders of their commander, especially when conditions become hard.

Salvation begins with faith by grace and is obtained in the end by obedience to the faith by grace.

What soldiers argue against obedience to the faith? Traitors to the faith and mutineers.

 

[robert derrick]

Did Jesus learn how to obey? A bit of a learning curve?

Much love!

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

You have a different translation?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, it says he will never leave or forsake you, unless you leave and forsake him.
It has nothing to do with going into battle. The context is obeying God and not breaking the covenant.

"They will forsake Me and break the covenant I have made with them.17On that day My anger will burn against them, and I will abandon them and hide My face from them, so that they will be consumed, and many troubles and afflictions will befall them.​

"On that day they will say, ‘Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is no longer with us?’18And on that day I will surely hide My face because of all the evil they have done by turning to other gods." Deuteronomy 31:16-18​

Well as that pertains to Israel alone, I agree, as Hebrews does not pertain to Israel alone- you are wrong! And even His abandonment of the nation is not an eternal abandonment. Paul made that unambiguously clear!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I presented Matt. 7:21 as context.
My position ALL along hasa been that for virtually EVERY verse that you guys present as "proof" for the fallacy of OSAS - there is another verse that shows the CONDITIONS and context for those verses.

Well you are the cherry picker! If you kept that verse in its context instead of ripping it out of context and wrongly trying to make it stand alone you would not sound like a brand new person to any Christian sect.

Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


If you weren't so disingenuous you would have so easily seen that verse 21 is speaking about those whou were NEVER believers. But I am not surprised.

Remember - ALL Scripture must harmonize.
If YOUR doctrines contradict Scripture - then YOUR doctrines are wrong - NOT Scripture.

what you are actually saying is that all Scriptures must harmonize with your opinion and your doctrine otherwise everyone is wrong! What hubris!!!!

My doctrines do not contradict Scripture, they take in teh Greek nuances, context, and use of absolutes. My doctrine also takes in the fact that those whom god has made His own He has already called perfect forever! Now He is in the process of making us into the image of Jesus.

YOu say that if one turns His back on teh God who will never leave or forsake them- they are toast. In your doctrine Jesus doesn't forgive all sins of the penitent sinner. Just most of them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I've done nothing BUT provide context to all of the cherry-picking going on here.
YOU seem to be doing nothing but dancing AROUND the issue.

ALL of this goes back to your rejection of the term, "Epignosis", which is really the final nail on the OSAS coffin.

Well if you stopped cherry picking and ripping verses out of context, it will stop!

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

YOur error is that you call epignosis=salvation and it simply doesn't. It means an intimate knowledge that can mean salvation , but here it doesn't, it just means a fill knowledge. Just like the Jews in Jerusalem who were paracletes with the Jewish believers!

If you had bothered to read one more verse and add it to your cherry picking, maybe you would have reached a different conclusion:

2 Peter 2:20-22
King James Version

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

These wwere dogs and pigs. In other passages they are called weeds in the wheat, woves among the sheep, goats among the sheep, or people who have been taught and understood the truth of Jesus, just simply reject it!

Sorry your concept of Jesus didn't die for all your potential sins. Maybe one day you will turn your back and stop believing. When you do call me, I will tellyou about the Jesus of the Bible who saved you forever the day you trusted in His death and resurrection for the full and only payment for all your sin- even those times of unbelief!

 

[robert derrick]

Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

There is always some Scripture that appears inexplicable on the face of it: How can the Perfect and True God be made perfect?

He was made so by coming in the flesh as the second Adam, to do what the first Adam failed to do: obey God unto the end.

Jesus Christ, the Son of God learned for Himself what it was like to obey God, even when He didn't want to.

By this way He was made perfect: He was made to obey, contrary to His own personal will. He was heard by the One with power to save Him from death, but He was not given it for Himself.

He that was perfect was made perfect by obedience to the faith, even when He didn't feel like it in the days of His flesh.

If He had not come in the flesh in obedience to the commandment of the Father (John 10:18), He would never have been made perfect by obedience to Him while yet in the flesh, and thus be called forever the man Christ Jesus.

Though He were the Son, yet learned He obedience as the Son in the flesh.

For one single time in all eternity, the Son of God did not want to obey God the Father: He learned what it was like to be a fully human believer of God by obedience to the faith of God, even though He didn't feel like it.

And He was heard in that He feared. The Son of God learned the fear of the Lord. What did He fear? Not the death of the body (Matthew 10:28), but the death of His own soul by taking on the sins of the world, and thus be separated from God, Whom He loved forever:

After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Them who believe only, and do not learn obedience to the faith as Jesus did, have never learned the fear of the Lord:

There is no fear of God before their eyes.

First comes fear of the Lord, then comes grace to help in time of need. Without the fear of the Lord, there is no grace to help overcome temptation and sin not, because they have no fear, nor desire, nor delight in obeying God, even when we don't feel like it.

Faith without obedience is dead, because doing the will of God, only when we feel like it, is not the faith of Jesus, because it is not the obedience of Christ unto death on the cross:

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Those who trust in unconditional eternal salvation are fair-weather 'friends' of God, who only take His side when they feel like it. They claim a grace to help them be saved in their sins, not to be helped in the eternal salvation, that is from their sins.

But those who obtain eternal salvation by grace through faith are the Friends of God, who obey Him even when they don't want to, even as their forerunner Jesus and their father Abraham did:

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Jesus was made perfect by obedience to the faith (Rom 1:4-6), and so also must we, if we are to obtain the likeness of His resurrection.

God is not seeking and saving them that believe only, but them that believe and obey.

Faith without works of faith is dead, even as being a hearer of the word only is deaf.

We are to be obedient to the faith, not just a believer of the faith.

There is a distinct difference between knowing we have everlasting life of eternal salvation by obedience to the faith by grace, and the vanity of just believing we are saved by a grace that is not of God, because it does not help us from sinning when we really want to.

There are gracious believers in Jesus, when convenient, and they are the first to show everyone how gracious their personality is. But then there are obedient servants of Christ, who may show less personality, but more obedience.

OSAS is the fool's cry for salvation without obedience to the faith, by grace.

There is a temporary salvation that begins with faith, and then there is the eternal salvation obtained with obedience to the faith unto the end, even when we must suffer unwillingness to do so.

OSAS' temporary salvation with disobedience to the faith is a dead-end salvation of endless sin, which was the deceived hope of Eve and the willful transgression of Adam.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I think learning about scripture in context would assist you greatly.

I challenge you to look at the context with me and I think you will see that you are the one interpreting it outside of the context of the passage.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Well as that pertains to Israel alone, I agree, as Hebrews does not pertain to Israel alone- you are wrong! And even His abandonment of the nation is not an eternal abandonment. Paul made that unambiguously clear!

That's not the point. This is not about later generations of Israelites being reunited with Christ.
The point is, God will forsake you if you forsake him.
He will never leave or forsake you as long as you stay in the Covenant.
We Christians love to quote the part about God never leaving or forsaking us, but most don't even know the rest of the story, that he will forsake us if we forsake him.

 

[robert derrick]

Well if you stopped cherry picking and ripping verses out of context, it will stop!




YOur error is that you call epignosis=salvation and it simply doesn't. It means an intimate knowledge that can mean salvation , but here it doesn't, it just means a fill knowledge. Just like the Jews in Jerusalem who were paracletes with the Jewish believers!

If you had bothered to read one more verse and add it to your cherry picking, maybe you would have reached a different conclusion:

2 Peter 2:20-22
King James Version

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

These wwere dogs and pigs. In other passages they are called weeds in the wheat, woves among the sheep, goats among the sheep, or people who have been taught and understood the truth of Jesus, just simply reject it!

Sorry your concept of Jesus didn't die for all your potential sins. Maybe one day you will turn your back and stop believing. When you do call me, I will tellyou about the Jesus of the Bible who saved you forever the day you trusted in His death and resurrection for the full and only payment for all your sin- even those times of unbelief!

These were dogs and pigs.

And so, living like a dog and pig is proof of no salvation from God.

The dirty little cold-hearted secret of OSAS, is that they will never accept the fact of one who once was a dog and pig, then returned to being a dog and pig. No. That's can't be. Therefore, them that they once called sister and brother, were nothing but dogs and pigs after all! Bunch of dogs and pigs! I don't love them anymore! I hate them for deceiving me!

The nature of a cult, is to very quickly and easily cast out them that were once beloved as sister and brother, to be nothing but filthy dogs and pigs, when they are no more of their cult.

It means an intimate knowledge that can mean salvation , but here it doesn't, it just means a full knowledge.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

And so, the knowledge of the Lord may not be really knowing Him as a believing child of God. Even if such unsaved knowledge of Him helps us to escape the sins of the world.

All anyone ever needs do to make up lunatic teaching is to do a careful study of the Greek to make Scripture say something other thant what plainly says. Sheer genius:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools

Going to the Greek to prove first principles of Christ is the diving pool of all false doctrine.

Therefore, we can escape the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of Jesus Christ, but not by salvation. A sinner can cease to live the old life of sin by knowing the Lord, and yet not be saved.

So, not only does OSAS preach living in sin and walking after the flesh by grace, they also question a person's salvation, who actually has departed from the dead works of sin to walk after the Spirit. They only have a deliverance from sin and trespasses by a 'epignosi knowledge' of the Lord, but we're the really saved ones who don't need any of that knowledge of the Lord that delivers from the pollutions of the world, which we continue in with grace.

Who needs epignosi knowledge of the Lord, when we have OSAS grace?

OSAS Grace to help in time of need, is not to help overcome temptation and sin, but rather to help overcome any unsecure doubts about salvation while in sin.

OSAS demands we not believe Jesus unto repentance of dead works, but only believe in a false christ that eternally secures our soul, no matter what life we live in our flesh, even if we walk after the flesh and not after the Spirit, whereby our bodies will die, but not our souls.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die, unless it is OSAS saved.

Maybe one day you will turn your back and stop believing. When you do call me, I will tell you about the Jesus of the Bible who saved you forever the day you trusted in His death and resurrection for the full and only payment for all your sin- even those times of unbelief!

And so, not only does OSAS save them walking after the flesh, it's so secure, it even saves the unbeliever.

No wonder obedience is not required with OSAS salvation, it doesn't even require belief! After all, how can we possibly be expected by God to obey the faith, when we aren't even expected to have the faith! Incredible.

Talk about prophesying smooth things. "Hey, don't worry about it! Even if you return to all your old sins and even worse than before, even to not believing Jesus, you're still saved! So cheer up! God loves you and so do I! Be blessed!"

With love like that, who needs deliverance from sins and trespasses?

The question is not about whether we 'believe' we are saved. It's about whether we believe and obey Jesus by knowing we have eternal life in Him.

No Scripture speaks of 'believing we are saved'.

Neither does any Scripture speak of knowing the Lord and yet not knowing His salvation and deliverance from dead works of the flesh.

OSAS is as twisted in Scripture as is believing in a created christ. The one creates a false christ, and the other creates a false salvation:

And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand.

The tangled webs necessary to preach false doctrine in the name of Christ, is the wide net of them that catch men for the dragon.

 

[robert derrick]

That's not the point. This is not about later generations of Israelites being reunited with Christ.
The point is, God will forsake you if you forsake him.
He will never leave or forsake you as long as you stay in the Covenant.
We Christians love to quote the part about God never leaving or forsaking us, but most don't even know the rest of the story, that he will forsake us if we forsake him.

Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.

So, that wasn't just for Asa and Judah and Benjamin?

That surely isn't for us today is it?

After all, we are OSAS! Altogether now! OSAS! OSAS! OSAS! Great is Diana of the Ephesians!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well you are the cherry picker! If you kept that verse in its context instead of ripping it out of context and wrongly trying to make it stand alone you would not sound like a brand new person to any Christian sect.

Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If you weren't so disingenuous you would have so easily seen that verse 21 is speaking about those whou were NEVER believers. But I am not surprised.

This deceptive post is nothing but sa smokescreen to cover up your previous blunder that I pointed out in my last post.

As I stated before - my SOLE purpose for presenting Matt. 7:21 was to counter YOUR false usage of Rom. 10:9 as some kind of "proof text" for the man-made fallacy of OSAS. You made the mistake of absolutizing Rom, 10:9 as a "one-size-fits-all" verse - when Matt. 7:21 clearly shows that it isn't.

what you are actually saying is that all Scriptures must harmonize with your opinion and your doctrine otherwise everyone is wrong! What hubris!!!!

My doctrines do not contradict Scripture, they take in teh Greek nuances, context, and use of absolutes. My doctrine also takes in the fact that those whom god has made His own He has already called perfect forever! Now He is in the process of making us into the image of Jesus.

YOu say that if one turns His back on teh God who will never leave or forsake them- they are toast. In your doctrine Jesus doesn't forgive all sins of the penitent sinner. Just most of them.

Sounds like you're confused again.

First of all - EVERY ONE of our sins is forgiven when we come to Christ in Baptism (Acts 2:38). HOWEVER - this does NOT mean that we won't sin again. ONLY those sins for which we have repented are forgiven. This fallacy that all of our future sins are "automatically" forgiven is an unbiblical fairy tale.

Finally - your doctrines DO contradict Scripture as I have AMPLY shown (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).
OSAS is a man-made perversion that cannot withstand the scrutiny of the CONTEXT of Scripture,

 

[Pythagorean12]

Once again. A perfect confirmation of no refute, but only enraged opinion.

In short the fools monologue: "No eternal salvation! It's a lie!

Who said there is no eternal salvation? Of course there is. As the Scripture says, for all them that obey Jesus:

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

What's so tragic about Scripture commanding believers to obey Jesus?

People are people.

And sinners are sinners, and saints are saints.

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

There is one difference between the sinner and the saint: obedience to God.

Who argues against obedience to God?

Who? Everyone who argued repeatedly, and contrary to scripture, that salvation can be lost if we don't obey, and work, to stay saved.
Some even insist if we ever lose faith, we've also lost our salvation.

I think these errors are the product of pride, ego, and deep ignorance. Because they're all implying we are responsible for staying saved.
Which naturally would rescind God's part in our Salvation as the sole source for it.

Sad. Very sad, very huan, very wrong, very lost.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well if you stopped cherry picking and ripping verses out of context, it will stop!
YOur error is that you call epignosis=salvation and it simply doesn't. It means an intimate knowledge that can mean salvation , but here it doesn't, it just means a fill knowledge. Just like the Jews in Jerusalem who were paracletes with the Jewish believers!

If you had bothered to read one more verse and add it to your cherry picking, maybe you would have reached a different conclusion:

2 Peter 2:20-22
King James Version

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

These wwere dogs and pigs. In other passages they are called weeds in the wheat, woves among the sheep, goats among the sheep, or people who have been taught and understood the truth of Jesus, just simply reject it!

Sorry your concept of Jesus didn't die for all your potential sins. Maybe one day you will turn your back and stop believing. When you do call me, I will tellyou about the Jesus of the Bible who saved you forever the day you trusted in His death and resurrection for the full and only payment for all your sin- even those times of unbelief!

Hmmmmm - now you've added LYING to your Scriptural perversions . . .

I never said that Epignosis = Salvation. I didn't even imply that.
I showed you a list of definitions from Protestant scholars - who basically stated that Epignosis = FAITH.

BOTH Heb. 10:26-27 and 2 Pet. 2:20-21, are talking about truly converted, born again believers in Christ - and the danger of falling BACK into darkness and LOSING their security. This disproved OSAS as a man-made fallacy.

Finally - our future or "potential" sins are NOT forgiven if we do not repent of them.
That's what the following warnings are ALL about (Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

 

[Pythagorean12]

I challenge you to look at the context with me and I think you will see that you are the one interpreting it outside of the context of the passage.

I have looked at your perspective and that is why I gave you that advice.

 

[bbyrd009]

gnostics, huh?

 

[robert derrick]

Who? Everyone who argued repeatedly, and contrary to scripture, that salvation can be lost if we don't obey, and work, to stay saved.
Some even insist if we ever lose faith, we've also lost our salvation.

I think these errors are the product of pride, ego, and deep ignorance. Because they're all implying we are responsible for staying saved.
Which naturally would rescind God's part in our Salvation as the sole source for it.

Sad. Very sad, very huan, very wrong, very lost.

Who? Everyone who argued repeatedly, and contrary to scripture, that salvation can be lost if we don't obey, and work, to stay saved.

Go tell that to the Scripture.

There is eternal salvation, that Jesus Authors, for them that obey, not for them that disobey.

OSAS can't even comprehend what they are arguing against.

Sad. Very sad, very huan, very wrong, very lost.

This one Scripture of truth has poked a gaping hole through the whited hornet's nest of OSAS, and see how they bite and sting for it.

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

So far as I can see, not one of them has even tried to undo the simplicity of those words: Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, and likewise for the joy set before us, we ought also obey and endure our cross in like manner as He: even when we don't feel like it.

Jesus is the Author eternal salvation to all them that obey His faith. And He did not become the Author, until after He learned obedience to the faith, that was contrary to His own desires and feelings of the flesh. By such obedience He is now able to be touched with the feeling of our infirmities: Not to give into sin and feel bad about it, but to resist temptation unto the end.

The infinities of the saints of Jesus Christ are temptations, not sins. Jesus was tempted in all points, especially in the garden, yet without sin, and Christians are tempted in all points and are commanded to sin no more.

Jesus is the Author of eternal salvation to all them that obey. To them that do not obey, He is not the Finisher of a faith that is dead.

Like John marvelling at Mystery Babylon in Rev 17, how can anyone naming the name of Christ possibly argue against obedience to the faith of Jesus, as the necessary thing accompanying salvation?

With the OSAS soldiers, the only ones lost and without grace are those who believe and obey the Word of God, lest they too become broken off and castaway:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

How else do we bring our body under and keep it in subjection, but by obedience to the Word of God?

Who argues against that? OSAS.

I think these errors are the product of pride, ego, and deep ignorance. Because they're all implying we are responsible for staying saved. Which naturally would rescind God's part in our Salvation as the sole source for it.

OSAS sass. OSAS can get so sassy. Sassy OSAS. They can be so OSASSY.

So them that preach obeying with faith are proud. What a pathetic pseudo-judgment of the lukewarm.

They that preach being nonresponsible, are irresponsible, and become responsible for the deceiving of the elect.

The problem is when the carnal minded think of the things of God in natural manner.

Jesus is the Author of eternal salvation and of our faith, not the 'sole source' for it, which is nowhere written in Scripture.

If we seek to have part in the first resurrection, we must play our part by obedience to the faith, so that we can run the race lawfully unto the end. (2 Tim 2:5)

We are responsible for our part: to obey and run lawfully by grace through faith.

We are saved by grace through faith, and we obtain eternal salvation with obedience to the faith by grace: no obedience, no faith, nor grace to help in time of need to overcome sin.

What is truly sad and lost is the blustering 'indignation' of them preaching the depths of Satan for the deep things of God.

The hornet's nest is indeed stuck.

It's like false prophets refusing to give up their long-studied and most cherished scholarship of OT prophecy: it's not about the children of Israel to them, nor about salvation to OSAS, but only about knowledge that puffs up and refuses to be corrected by simple Scripture, because they have spent so much time 'learning' something false.

And now look at what depths they go yearning to keep the lie going.

 

[robert derrick]

Hmmmmm - now you've added LYING to your Scriptural perversions . . .

I never said that Epignosis = Salvation. I didn't even imply that.
I showed you a list of definitions from Protestant scholars - who basically stated that Epignosis = FAITH.

BOTH Heb. 10:26-27 and 2 Pet. 2:20-21, are talking about truly converted, born again believers in Christ - and the danger of falling BACK into darkness and LOSING their security. This disproved OSAS as a man-made fallacy.

Finally - our future or "potential" sins are NOT forgiven if we do not repent of them.
That's what the following warnings are ALL about (Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

One thing you can say for the Catholics. They don't cotton to no excuses for disobedience to the faith.

 

[Enoch111]

One thing you can say for the Catholics. They don't cotton to no excuses for disobedience to the faith.

Correct. "the faith" being the False Christianity of the Vatican. Have you ever heard of the pope or his prelates ever admitting that they are seriously in error? They condemned John Wycliffe for pointing out their errors.