Scripture says "in His Name, the Gentiles will trust" - what will 'Evolutionist Gentiles' trust in Jesus?

[Gottservant]

This is something: no matter what species you are, you only have a class of adaptations to rely on.

No one has an unlimited class of adaptations at their disposal.

 

[Rxlx]

The Holy Spirit inspired me, with the idea that you have to give up something great, when you get to Heaven.

No one goes to heaven or ever has except him that first came from heaven - discounting all the angels and Satan.
If you are lucky enough to find your name is in the Book of Life you will live on a renewed Earth supervised by 144,000 faithful.

 

[Gottservant]

I believe that at this stage, "Evolution" is in the pit and will be for a hundred years. Why? Because they did not embrace the prediction of what they had become (but rather believed it to be perverse).

If you do not eat the fruit of it - its false teaching - you will be granted strength, in the life to come.

 

[Gottservant]

I find it interesting that Evolutionists believe that their method is science. When you look at the process they use, actually it spells "intelligent design". There are an array of choices that the Evolutionistic process can choose from (that array is defined "intelligently") and what works from that array is gradually incorporated into an ongoing model ("design"). That's "intelligent design", is it not?

The point is they start from a backward position, that over extending this process will produce novel results - but it never does!

 

[Gottservant]

The key that Evolutionists are missing, is that the concept of Evolution and how you react to it are two different things.

 

[Gottservant]

I've had a major shift. I have stopped using what I "know" to advance myself, that includes not trying to shape my understanding of evolution to suit me. Rather, I want what I know to serve Jesus.

Part of this is understanding that the world only has partial knowledge of Jesus. In no way is the world quietly confident of their coming judgment.

I think as my knowledge shifts to being in service of Jesus, my peace will increase, my joy will settle and my understanding will renew.

 

[Taken]

EVOLUTION ~ meanings..
And PERSPECTIVE and OBSERVATION.


Most widely comes to mind is the SCIENTIFIC meaning, primarily learned in schools…:
the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
(Thanks Darwin…but still apes are apes and fish are fish and people are people!!)

OR common sense…
the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form.
"the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution"

OR common sense…
More so …. ADAPTABILITY…
* Mans
* Animals
* Plants
ABILITY to adapt to “changing” surroundings; (weather changes, water available, food available).

OR spiritual sense…
Freewill Options and Offering to manKIND to become MADE changed from Mortal to Immortal, by the power of God, and thereafter Manifested according to Gods timeframe.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Gottservant]

Something I learned recently is that stages of design for a specific species, can be reordered.

So for example a gene that makes wolves aggressive or passive, can make wolves passive or aggressive - depending on how the stage of a wolf in a wolf species is ordered against other expressions of that stage.

What this means is that there is more evolution for a reordered species, than there is for one that tries to evolve on its own.

I hope you find this constructive - I am not trying to say there is "no" evolution, I am trying to say that it doesn't happen one species to another (as that would make stages irrelevant, when in fact they are informative).

 

[Gottservant]

This is a truth Evolutionists might consider liking:

You can adapt more, staying what you were, than you can by changing and changing again (selah).

In other words, intelligent design is a more effective case for adaptation, than positing a shift away from one adaptation to a whole class of others.

 

[Skovand]

Well for one the only people who use the term evolutionist are almost exclusively people who don’t understand it. Thats specifically odd jargon for young earthers. Accepting evolution is just accepting scientific facts. It’s like calling someone who accepts gravity a gravitist.

Lots and lots of Christians believe in Jesus, obviously, and also accept scientific consensus on things like the new modern synthesis.

 

[Skovand]

Something I learned recently is that stages of design for a specific species, can be reordered.

So for example a gene that makes wolves aggressive or passive, can make wolves passive or aggressive - depending on how the stage of a wolf in a wolf species is ordered against other expressions of that stage.

What this means is that there is more evolution for a reordered species, than there is for one that tries to evolve on its own.

I hope you find this constructive - I am not trying to say there is "no" evolution, I am trying to say that it doesn't happen one species to another (as that would make stages irrelevant, when in fact they are informative).

There is not more evolutionary changes within epigenetic than as one species evolves into another because part of speciation is epigenetic. Epigenetic is how pressures can alter gene expression within an organism or their offspring. Evolution and epigenetic are both part of the greater new modern synthesis.

 

[Gottservant]

Something worth considering: something new on its own, is against the law (selah).

Something new on its own is against the Law, because God creates everything to be in relationship to Him. Saying God allows things to become new on their own, is saying God allows Creation to keep breaking the Law.

If something is similar to what came before it, it is not alone, because it shares what it is with what helped create it.

 

[Skovand]

Something worth considering: something new on its own, is against the law (selah).

Something new on its own is against the Law, because God creates everything to be in relationship to Him. Saying God allows things to become new on their own, is saying God allows Creation to keep breaking the Law.

If something is similar to what came before it, it is not alone, because it shares what it is with what helped create it.

Strongly disagree. What scriptures are you using to inspire this concept?

 

[Gottservant]

Strongly disagree. What scriptures are you using to inspire this concept?

The forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden, was "something new, on its own".

Bathsheba, whom David saw was "something new, on its own".

Achan who stole from AI was "[stealing] something new, on its own"

 

[Skovand]

The forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden, was "something new, on its own".

Bathsheba, whom David saw was "something new, on its own".

Achan who stole from AI was "[stealing] something new, on its own"

Hmmm. Mind blowing.

 

[Gottservant]

The thing that annoys me, is that Evolutionists make godliness of no power by invoking mutation. Mutation might force you to rethink how you are adapting, but if what you face is the limit of possible adaptation, mutations are only going to build up - that literally is a recipe for cancer. They would repent, but they have no forgiveness, therefore their cancer is greater!

Evolution is at the point that it could be a "blessing" or a "curse", if only the Holy Spirit spoke up?

 

[Gottservant]

Something I have come to understand, is that there is a male and female expression for almost everything. The Bible says "in the beginning He created them, male and female He created them" (OT and Gospels, from memory). This applies to Evolution too - Evolution has a masculine and feminine expression. I don't believe that happens by accident, but by the same token an Evolutionist can note the difference, without believing a specific religion behind it.

How that affects how many male or female are born, I don't know, but by the same token treating male and female differently would I imagine increase survival overall (that which is safe for male isn't necessarily safe for female and vice versa?)

 

[Gottservant]

My contention is that you can start from beginning to end, with every single possible change, as many times as you like and you will never be able to transition one species, to another!

I wish Evolutionists understood this [that no combination of a species, leads to another species]. I think what is comfort to them, is, they don't have to scrutinize what they believe that much. In other words, they are presuming on the forgiveness of others, for the sake of creating further novelty - that somehow miraculously escapes the corruption of sin.

The problem is someone with a free spirit, in no way wants the bond of delusion - that's the situation we (as Christians) are in. I think - at this moment - that the comfort Evolutionists may seek, is that the faith (of Christians) will just die and dispute the technicalities of Evolution no further. That's a sad outcome - but the Lord could turn it around for good! Let me know what you think?

 

[Skovand]

My contention is that you can start from beginning to end, with every single possible change, as many times as you like and you will never be able to transition one species, to another!

I wish Evolutionists understood this [that no combination of a species, leads to another species]. I think what is comfort to them, is, they don't have to scrutinize what they believe that much. In other words, they are presuming on the forgiveness of others, for the sake of creating further novelty - that somehow miraculously escapes the corruption of sin.

The problem is someone with a free spirit, in no way wants the bond of delusion - that's the situation we (as Christians) are in. I think - at this moment - that the comfort Evolutionists may seek, is that the faith (of Christians) will just die and dispute the technicalities of Evolution no further. That's a sad outcome - but the Lord could turn it around for good! Let me know what you think?

So most Christian’s accept evolution. Most Jews accept evolution. Most Muslims accept evolution. Most Buddhists accept evolution. Most atheists accept evolution. The overwhelming majority of humans on this earth accepts evolution. Almost all
Biblical scholars , those with doctorate degrees focused on applying it to biblical studies who speak the original languages also all accept evolution. 99.99% of the roughly 8,000,000 scientists accepts evolution. The theory of evolution is one of the most strongly supported theories in science informed by millions of scientific papers coming from dozens and dozens and dozens of scientific fields of research spanning every continent, gender, age and race. Evolutionist is something almost just science deniers use. The theory of evolution not in any form of crisis at all. It’s recited by almost no one. It’s the most fringe groups of alt right conservative Christianity who accepts yecism concentrated primarily in the American Bible Belt, parts of Australia and parts of Africa where American evangelism has taken strong roots .

 

[Gottservant]

If you take the parts of a watch, put them in a bag and shake them, eventually you get a watch?

What then, if what you want is a calculator? Still going to shake a bag of watch parts?

"Let every man be a liar, but God be true" (letters, from memory). I even believe in adaptation, why you would want to mix the good (adaptation) with the bad (speciation), is beyond me?