Scripture is not the last word.

[tzcho2]

Okay, so you missed the comparison of them believing in what was written instead of believing in Him who inspired what was written, as many here also now do...apparently, including yourself.
Thanks for standing up and being counted with those who find greater value in what is seen, than in what is unseen. But I would remind you that the bottom line here is, God is spirit, and to make a case against that End, such as you now do, is ill advised.

You do not speak for God, and neither do you interpret the scriptures for God.

 

[justbyfaith]

1Th 5:19, Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20, Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21, Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The above is, of course, testified to in the holy scriptures.

The holy scriptures tell us not to despise prophesyings (i.e. utterances of rhema words of God that are extrabiblical). To do so is to quench the Holy Spirit according to the passage.

The only way you can get around this is to say that the above scripture does not apply to us today.

But when you do that, you have a problem. How do you determine what in the holy scriptures applies to us today and what doesn't? It amounts to smorgasborg religion.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

The Pharisees are not what we are talking about here...they were just an example of what not to do.

But you make a good point. That is exactly the circumstance here and now: Some are acting as if the scriptures do not give all the evidence needed to know that the plan of God headed by Jesus has gone from writing on tablets, to writing in hearts (spiritually). And, yes, they are doing Satan's work.

I do not believe Satan and his disciples believe what the scriptures say, I know it, for that is what the scriptures say. James 2:19 But more importantly they use the scriptures against God and His children...just as is now being done here by some.[/QUOTE\]

whenever anyone speaks of anything concerning God I will always believe a person should be able to look in the scriptures to make sure that what that person is saying is in agreement with scripture. I believe the scriptures should have the final say on what that person is talking about, rather it's true or not. There are too many people like I said who say they have Gods authority just like there are too many people who say they have God Holy Spirit, therefore, Gods authority and that they should be listened to even though when you check the scriptures you find that what these people are saying isn't in agreement with scripture. They don't want you listening to scripture and as far as I'm concerned not the person who had them written for us either, they want you to put your faith in them in imperfect men cause they say they have God's spirit, and I believe the reason so many people get away with this is that they say scripture shouldn't have the final say like you are saying. Doesn't that mean you are saying God shouldn't have the final say? I believe anyone with God Holy Spirit will not contradict what the scriptures say or say scripture isn't the final say on spiritual matters because the scriptures are a product of Gods Holy Spirit

 

[ScottA]

That is what is in your posts in spades.

You really need to be rebuked!

You are defeated.

 

[ScottA]

whenever anyone speaks of anything concerning God I will always believe a person should be able to look in the scriptures to make sure that what that person is saying is in agreement with scripture. I believe the scriptures should have the final say on what that person is talking about, rather it's true or not. There are too many people like I said who say they have Gods authority just like there are too many people who say they have God Holy Spirit, therefore, Gods authority and that they should be listened to even though when you check the scriptures you find that what these people are saying isn't in agreement with scripture. They don't want you listening to scripture and as far as I'm concerned not the person who had them written for us either, they want you to put your faith in them in imperfect men cause they say they have God's spirit, and I believe the reason so many people get away with this is that they say scripture shouldn't have the final say like you are saying. Doesn't that mean you are saying God shouldn't have the final say? I believe anyone with God Holy Spirit will not contradict what the scriptures say or say scripture isn't the final say on spiritual matters because the scriptures are a product of Gods Holy Spirit

That is not at all what I am saying...you misunderstand.

Of course God has the final say...that is my point exactly. And since you favor the scriptures, you should have no trouble reasoning that because "God is spirit", and the biblical order of things is "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual", that following the word written on tablets, it should be "written on the hearts" of those who are born of His spirit...in spirit. And to go against all this of which the scriptures say is true, is what is actually against God, rather than returning again to the written word on tablets.

Wouldn't you say?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

The Pharisees are not what we are talking about here...they were just an example of what not to do.

But you make a good point. That is exactly the circumstance here and now: Some are acting as if the scriptures do not give all the evidence needed to know that the plan of God headed by Jesus has gone from writing on tablets to writing in hearts (spiritually )by all mankind. And, yes, they are doing Satan's work.

The apostle Paul explained it this way: “Are we starting again to recommend ourselves? Or do we, perhaps, like some men, need letters of recommendation to you or from you? You yourselves are our letter, inscribed on our hearts and known and being read by all mankind. For you are shown to be a letter of Christ written by us as ministers, inscribed not with ink but with the spirit of a living God, not on stone tablets, but on fleshly tablets, on hearts.” How was that writing on hearts accomplished? By the preaching of the seedlike word of faith that became implanted in the heart. In turn, this seed motivated the receiver also to preach the same message of salvation to others.—2 Corinthians 3:1-3.

The scriptures show that even after the apostles and disciples of Jesus received Holy Spirit they were inspired by God to write the scriptures, God was writing on hearts then too right? So obviously God thought his written word shouldn't be ignored or reason in any way that his word didn't have the final say on spiritual matters.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Unfounded fodder. Name calling. Accusations. Hate. Jealousy. All fruit of wickedness.

Sounds like your self description. Save it for a dating site.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

That is not at all what I am saying...you misunderstand.

Of course God has the final say...that is my point exactly. And since you favor the scriptures, you should have no trouble reasoning that because "God is spirit", and the biblical order of things is "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual", that following the word written on tablets, it should be "written on the hearts" of those who are born of His spirit...in spirit. And to go against all this of which the scriptures say is true, is what is actually against God, rather than returning again to the written word on tablets.
say.
Wouldn't you say?

I think that the tablets that you are speaking about that we should not return to are those stone tablets concerning the Law Covenant. If so I agree we should not return to those stone tablets concerning the law covenant, but that doesn't mean we have this attitude that the scriptures don't have the last or final say.

 

[tabletalk]

I do, and I refer to the written word often.

But to remain in the written word is comparable to remaining in the flesh...it is not how we are to "follow" Jesus. The correct Way, is "first the natural, and then the spiritual." After having been born again of the Spirit, we are not suppose to return again to the baggerly elements...which include the confounded uninterpreted and sealed written word. "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." Which message is not complete if it is limited to the things of this world, including the limit of scriptures written on tablets.

I do, and I refer to the written word often.

These words you have written teach me to be exceedingly content with the written Word of God.
I need nothing else.
Which means, I reject your word.

 

[charity]

I'm saying that words that come from the mouth of the Lord Jesus are the words of God, whether they have been written down or not.

I recall at one time reading in Mexico a written prophecy that predicted the fires that have recently hit California; it predicted them exactly and they had not happened yet.

Was this prophecy inspired of the Holy Ghost? personally, I think that it was.

Hello @justbyfaith,

The only record we have of words coming from the mouth of the Lord Jesus Christ, either while here on earth, or from heaven, is that recorded in Scripture.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm helplessly confused...I believe I was thinking two people in here were the same person this whole time...I do this a lot...

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I also find myself agreeing with everything someone says, only to find out days or weeks later that they do not see what they say the same way I see what they say. How bizarre is THAT??!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm 55, so I'm allowed to chalk it up to old age. I'm also now allowed to order from the senior menu in most places now.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hello @justbyfaith,

The only record we have of words coming from the mouth of the Lord Jesus Christ, either while here on earth, or from heaven, is that recorded in Scripture.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

But surely the Lord has spoken to some of us personally.

Jesus said,

Jhn 10:27, My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Surely not every word that has been spoken personally to Jesus' sheep has been recorded by them in the Holy Bible.

 

[ScottA]

The apostle Paul explained it this way: “Are we starting again to recommend ourselves? Or do we, perhaps, like some men, need letters of recommendation to you or from you? You yourselves are our letter, inscribed on our hearts and known and being read by all mankind. For you are shown to be a letter of Christ written by us as ministers, inscribed not with ink but with the spirit of a living God, not on stone tablets, but on fleshly tablets, on hearts.” How was that writing on hearts accomplished? By the preaching of the seedlike word of faith that became implanted in the heart. In turn, this seed motivated the receiver also to preach the same message of salvation to others.—2 Corinthians 3:1-3.

The scriptures show that even after the apostles and disciples of Jesus received Holy Spirit they were inspired by God to write the scriptures, God was writing on hearts then too right? So obviously God thought his written word shouldn't be ignored or reason in any way that his word didn't have the final say on spiritual matters.

You contradict yourself.

First you explain the process as being first natural and then spiritual (as the scriptures say), then you go back to saying but the natural or words written on stone tablets is the end of the process, which it is not, bu rather the beginning.

 

[ScottA]

I think that the tablets that you are speaking about that we should not return to are those stone tablets concerning the Law Covenant. If so I agree we should not return to those stone tablets concerning the law covenant, but that doesn't mean we have this attitude that the scriptures don't have the last or final say.

No, again you misunderstand.

It is the law that was fulfilled that was the foreshadowing of what we now see happening with the scriptures, and Christians now make the same mistake as Israel. But it is the law that is the legal precedence for what we are rightfully to do now...meaning not return to it, but believe that it was "finished" with Christ (and the apostles) -- not done away with, but fulfilled, that we should press on with that which was preached.

 

[Helen]

I'm 55, so I'm allowed to chalk it up to old age. I'm also now allowed to order from the senior menu in most places now.

Aah, the youth of old age...I am now 77.
Don't think of yourself as 'old', it will come soon enough. But yes, enjoy the benefits :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Aah, the youth of old age...I am now 77.
Don't think of yourself as 'old', it will come soon enough. But yes, enjoy the benefits :)

It's a moot point anyway. I've seen my blunder. I've decided about getting older to just stop doing it.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You contradict yourself.

First you explain the process as being first natural and then spiritual (as the scriptures say), then you go back to saying but the natural or words written on stone tablets is the end of the process, which it is not, bu rather the beginning.

No but that is what you will believe. I was just showing you that the scriptures are saying something different than what you are talking about. The scriptures at 2Cor.3:2,3 were not in any way saying that scripture wasn't or shouldn't be the final say. When Jesus answered any questions thrown at him he cited scripture as the final say on the matter. The Bible is always telling us to not go beyond what is written. Meaning not to go beyond what was written in scripture. Jesus especially said things like, "it is written," when answering a question or stating some spiritual fact. We are to follow Jesus Christ example closely.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

No, again you misunderstand.

It is the law that was fulfilled that was the foreshadowing of what we now see happening with the scriptures, and Christians now make the same mistake as Israel. But it is the law that is the legal precedence for what we are rightfully to do now...meaning not return to it, but believe that it was "finished" with Christ (and the apostles) -- not done away with, but fulfilled, that we should press on with that which was preached.

Well although Jesus spoke of many spiritual things the focus of what he preached is the kingdom of God Jesus taught his Apostles and disciples to do the same thing. I don't see any religious organization preaching about the kingdom of God except Jehovah witnesses. The thing is that Jesus when speaking and teaching of the kingdom of God he spoke the word of God what is today written down as scripture. Jesus everytime you study the scriptures about him you can see that he used the word of God what today is scripture as the final say on spiritual matters. I think most people who don't want scripture to have the final say on some subject that's being discussed is that the scriptures contradict what such person is discussing. Now that's just my personal opinion.