veteran said:Nah, you can't back out now with that attempt to change your story.
That point I spoke about Nicodemus was in relation to his confusion about the John 3:3 verse, NOT the latter John 3:5-6 verses.
In John 3:3 with "born again", Jesus was speaking of being born of The Spirit, NOT water. There's NO mention of water anywhere in that verse.
However, Nicodemus thought He was talking about being born again through woman's womb a second time. Jesus mentions water later in John 3:5 with comparison of the flesh vs. spirit, knucklehead.
And what requirement did Jesus make about WATER there???
John 3:5-6
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(KJV)
Does that 5th verse say, "... Except a man be born AGAIN of water and of the Spirit", or does it say, "... Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit"? It's the latter knucklehead, no 'born again' idea in that verse!!!
And that's the condition, one must be born of woman's womb AND of The Spirit to enter into the Kingdom of God.
The 'born again' in woman's womb is YOURS and Nicodemus' stupid idea.
Now you are back to square one whether you realize it or not ~ :lol:
"Whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."daq said:Perhaps you missed the full implications of the following:
Matthew 3:12 KJV
10. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12. Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
If you desire to adhere to what is written then it is necessary for you now to go and find the words of Yochanan the Immerser, (the greatest of all the prophets until Messiah) and be baptized also into that water immersion of the Word. And of course that one comes first, for the Master clearly states the Yochanan the Immerser is Eliyahu, (if you will receive it). And without the first immersion of water the second will not occur. :)
"Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than Yochanan the Immerser: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. And from the days of Yochanan the Immerser until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the Prophets and Torah prophesied until Yochanan. And if you will receive it, this is Eliyahu, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear!"
Acts 1:4-5 YLT
4. And being assembled together with them, he commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he,] 'Ye did hear of me;
5. because John, indeed, baptized with water, and ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit - after not many days.'
Revelation 22:16-20 KJV
16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Yeshua Moshiya` says: "I Yeshua have dispatched my messenger to testify unto you these things in the congregations. I am the Rhiza and the Genos of David, the Aster the Lampros the Proinos."
Yochanan the Immerser Eliyahu who testifies of the Master says: "He that testifies these things says; Yea, I come quickly! Amen! Erchou, Master Yeshua!"