Satan Demons Angels and Spiritual Warfare

[Christian Soldier]

Again, no basis! You are not alone with this deception...so many in this forum speak of this thing nowhere written in the Word and so deceived are they perpetuate it over and over until like Blessed they see dead people.
The mind is affected by the stream of thought which runs throughout and when that thought is set on deception it can produce all manner of evil.

F2F

F2F said; The mind is affected by the stream of thought which runs throughout and when that thought is set on deception it can produce all manner of evil.

This perfectly describes why your doctrine produces nothing but deception, I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Where did i say that? Are you doing that thing again C?

The same as Judaism... the house was vacated (they went out!) - after 2000 years the house is there, but its run by falsehood but a day is coming when that house will be cleaned out!

Sorry I shoot the wrong guy, someone else said that.

But you're dead wrong about Judaism. You failed to consider the fact that Judaism requires a Temple, and Jews must observe all of the ordinances and the 516 laws. They also must offer burnt offerings to atone for their sin, and many other tings are required to legitimize the religion which God destroyed.

The sad reality for those who seek to resurrect that dead religion, is God Himself will prevent it from being resurrected from the dead. It can only come back over Christs dead body and that means someone stronger than God needs to overcome God and bind Him before they can plunder His house.

there has been an effort to rebuild the temple for the past 1948 years, and nobody has succeeded because God curses all those who attempt to rebuild it. Just like He curses all those who try to rebuild the tower of Babel. So I'd happily bet my house that nobody will ever rebuild the Temple and Judaism will never be legitimized angain.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Early discussions of the Satan tradition were predominantly theological in their approach. Interpreters took for granted that the canonical texts bore witness to a uniform doctrine. In particular, they assumed that the authors of the Hebrew scriptures conceived of Satan in the same way as the authors of the NT. Such theological presuppositions characterized treatments of the topic well into the modern era. More historically minded scholars, on the other hand, were reluctant to take up the topic of Satan and evil spirits, perhaps in part because they did not consider such doctrines of invisible evil forces to be appropriate to critical historical inquiry. In the late nineteenth century, critical scholars finally entered the discussion of Satan. These interpreters were more attuned to diversity among the biblical writings than their less critical predecessors had been. These scholars were unwilling to assume that the authors of the Hebrew scriptures had the same beliefs regarding Satan as did later Jewish and Christian writers. Nor did they assume that the Hebrew Scriptures were themselves completely uniform in their depictions of this figure, but they discerned diversity and development even among these early biblical writings. Ryan E. Stokes, The Satan: How God's Exucutioner Became the Enemy (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2019), 3.

Clearly there is doubt at the state of this work! Incredible to say the least that an author of a book would open say "did not consider such doctrines of invisible evil forces to be appropriate to critical historical inquiry"

And right they were! The foundation of this doctine is built on sand and all the fabrication is forced on passages so called Scholars know nothing about!

That word developement is a dangerous word dear readers! Dangerous indeed!

F2F

I don't know who's commentary that is, but I know it's all baseless gobbledygook. No respected Theologian or Bible Scholar would ever write such nonsense.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yes, early first century did not have diagnosis for such illnesses, but thankfully today we have the tools to properly label these illnesses and deseases.

No evil spiritual realm C. All explainable no different to that of Legion!

You need to understand the first century nuances, which the Lord worked with and will do so again in a world wise to the ailments of the flesh.

F2F

I think you've finally blown your cover, you're a Scientologist right????. Give my regards to John Travolta and Tom Cruise when you see them at the next meeting. Everything makes sense now, you believe in science. My cousin is a world renown professor in his field of science, he also doesn't believe that the spiritual realm exists.

He told me that countless scientific experiments have been performed to determine if the spiritual realm exists and every single experiment has reached the same conclusion, that spirits don't exist. He was a Roman Catholic when He entered University and came out an Atheist. He sounds very much like you, my friend.

 

[face2face]

I don't know who's commentary that is, but I know it's all baseless gobbledygook. No respected Theologian or Bible Scholar would ever write such nonsense.

He holds your beliefs, only diffence is, he is honest.

 

[doctrox]

No respected Theologian or Bible Scholar would ever write such nonsense.

In the kingdom, there is no "respected Theologian or Bible Scholar", because God is no respector of persons. I suggest you be more like Him.

 

[Christian Soldier]

He holds your beliefs, only diffence is, he is honest.

Thank you for deflating my ego, it's good to be cut down to size when we get puffed up

 

[face2face]

Thank you for deflating my ego, it's good to be cut down to size when we get puffed up

It's about integrity C. Not ego
F2F

 

[Fred J]

Satan is currently bound and disabled, so He can't come into the presence of God to falsely accuse the brethren. Jesus stripped Satan of His legal right, to bring charges against Gods elect.

If he and his angels are bound then who are we wrestling against according to Ephesians 6:12 ??

Satan and those Angels who rebelled against God, wee all cast down to the earth before Adam sinned.

So, after Adam sinned and through out the Old Testament, satan did not have excess to Heaven or even GOD's council??

 

[Christian Soldier]

If he and his angels are bound then who are we wrestling against according to Ephesians 6:12 ??

So, after Adam sinned and through out the Old Testament, satan did not have excess to Heaven or even GOD's council??

We wrestle against 3 different enemies.

The first enemy is self, we are our own worst enemy. We wrestle against our lust or as some prefer to call it our flesh, same thing. Our lust is the temptation to feed our lust, or as some call it to feed our sinful desires.

The second enemy is the world, by world I mean the all the worldly things. We have to wrestle against the worldly things to keep ourselves from having fellowship with darkness. It might be something like laughing at a dirty joke or watching a Hollywood movie which doesn't glorify God. There are countless ways we can become entangled in worldly things.

The third enemy is the Devil, He is always looking for an opening in your armor, He wants to find some dirt on you and then expose it and cause you to lose credibility so you testimony is no longer effective when you share the gospel or witness to your family and friends.

The Devil is crafty, He can't make you lose your salvation but He can use your weakness against you. The wrestling is about not submitting yourself or capitulation to any of the enemies, because our main purpose in life is to bare a faithful testimony of what God has done for us, so others can see it and be encouraged to put their faith in the Lord also. But if we lose credibility because we were overcome by temptation it harms us and our ability to witness.

Satan did have access to Gods council after Adam fell, and up to the time that Christ entered Satan's house and overpowered Him and bound Him and plundered His goods. Satan's house was the world up to that point, because He had dominion over mankind since He gained legal authority when Adam rebelled against God and obeyed Satan. He then became subject to the dominion of Satan. So the rest of mankind inherited Adams fallen sin nature and this bondage to Satan.

Satan had a legal right to hold mankind in bondage because we submitted to His authority willingly, so God being an honorable God respected Satan's legal right. This all changed when Jesus broke into Satan's house and beat Him senseless and bound Him up so He could no longer exercise His authority over Gods Chosen people.
Since that time, Satan has not even sought to come before God, because He knows He has lost His legal authority to bring charges against Gods people.

 

[Fred J]

We wrestle against 3 different enemies.

The first enemy is self, we are our own worst enemy. We wrestle against our lust or as some prefer to call it our flesh, same thing. Our lust is the temptation to feed our lust, or as some call it to feed our sinful desires.

The second enemy is the world, by world I mean the all the worldly things. We have to wrestle against the worldly things to keep ourselves from having fellowship with darkness. It might be something like laughing at a dirty joke or watching a Hollywood movie which doesn't glorify God. There are countless ways we can become entangled in worldly things.

Is written, we wrestle not against flesh and blood!

Listen and pay attention to scripture and it's context. Spiritually learn to crawl before you learn to walk in the Kingdom of GOD. In the past i made a lot of mistakes and am witnessing you doing the same, with added fairy tales.

The third enemy is the Devil, He is always looking for an opening in your armor, He wants to find some dirt on you and then expose it and cause you to lose credibility so you testimony is no longer effective when you share the gospel or witness to your family and friends.

The Devil is crafty, He can't make you lose your salvation but He can use your weakness against you. The wrestling is about not submitting yourself or capitulation to any of the enemies, because our main purpose in life is to bare a faithful testimony of what God has done for us, so others can see it and be encouraged to put their faith in the Lord also. But if we lose credibility because we were overcome by temptation it harms us and our ability to witness.

According to you, he is already bound in chain and in the bottomless pit. And you further testified, that's why he and his angels have no excess to GOD's people.

So now you're testifying, he have excess to GOD's people, apparently you contradict yourself.

Satan did have access to Gods council after Adam fell, and up to the time that Christ entered Satan's house and overpowered Him and bound Him and plundered His goods. Satan's house was the world up to that point,

Here we go again!

And based on that, will expose more of your fallacy, so that you will stop and become wise. You're only going to mislead the unlearned inoccent and together head on a train wreck. Isn't it written in the epistle of James, that teachers/masters will be greatly judged?

Listen and pay attention to the scripture and it's context, the teacher/master of all, thank you. Satan had his council with GOD in Heaven, after he prowls the earth witnessing and report.

Job 1:
6. Now there was a day when the sons of GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down it.

Still thinking of going about another fairy tale to debunk the scripture, don't!

Shalom in the name of Jesus

 

[Christian Soldier]

Is written, we wrestle not against flesh and blood!

Listen and pay attention to scripture and it's context. Spiritually learn to crawl before you learn to walk in the Kingdom of GOD. In the past i made a lot of mistakes and am witnessing you doing the same, with added fairy tales.

According to you, he is already bound in chain and in the bottomless pit. And you further testified, that's why he and his angels have no excess to GOD's people.

So now you're testifying, he have excess to GOD's people, apparently you contradict yourself.

Here we go again!

And based on that, will expose more of your fallacy, so that you will stop and become wise. You're only going to mislead the unlearned inoccent and together head on a train wreck. Isn't it written in the epistle of James, that teachers/masters will be greatly judged?

Listen and pay attention to the scripture and it's context, the teacher/master of all, thank you. Satan had his council with GOD in Heaven, after he prowls the earth witnessing and report.

Job 1:
6. Now there was a day when the sons of GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down it.

Still thinking of going about another fairy tale to debunk the scripture, don't!

Shalom in the name of Jesus

What's this nonsense about not wrestling with flesh and blood. That's ridiculous, who in their right mind would spout such nonsense.

You need to learn how to listen, or you will remain trapped in darkness. Why do you accuse Jesus of being a liar, He said He bound Satan and plundered His goods, but you say no He didn't. Jesu said He defeated Satan and the powers of darkness, but you say no He didn't. You leave me no choice but to expose you as a liar.

Stop lying, where did I say Satan has access to Gods people????

Your talking to an Elect Saint of God, I am indwelt by the Holy Spirit, He leads me into all truth, so I can expose liars like you.

Where did you hear the lie that Satan prowls around the earth witnessing and reports. Man someone has really filled you with lies, and now your theology is totally messed up.

 

[face2face]

What's this nonsense about not wrestling with flesh and blood. That's ridiculous, who in their right mind would spout such nonsense.

You need to learn how to listen, or you will remain trapped in darkness. Why do you accuse Jesus of being a liar, He said He bound Satan and plundered His goods, but you say no He didn't. Jesu said He defeated Satan and the powers of darkness, but you say no He didn't. You leave me no choice but to expose you as a liar.

Stop lying, where did I say Satan has access to Gods people????

Your talking to an Elect Saint of God, I am indwelt by the Holy Spirit, He leads me into all truth, so I can expose liars like you.

Where did you hear the lie that Satan prowls around the earth witnessing and reports. Man someone has really filled you with lies, and now your theology is totally messed up.

You speak of things which don't exist C. You know how that makes you look?

 

[Christian Soldier]

You speak of things which don't exist C. You know how that makes you look?

Thewy don't exist for you because you reject Gods Word. If you believed in God, you would know they exist

 

[face2face]

@Christian Soldier

Lets look at another example shall we?

Then shouldn’t this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen long years, be released from this imprisonment on the Sabbath day?” Lk 13:16.

Let's do a contextual study together

Try and identify the adversary in this story.

Really think about the context!
Read all the verses around this story
Work out why its given the title Satan

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not because Jesus was victorious at the Cross and has given me authority over the devil and his demons.

So, I'm at victory over the devil instead of trying to fight a defeated foe.

Do you know some of the passages in the New Testament that tell us we have victory over the devil?

Only the LORD Jesus Christ has COMPLETE Victory over satan.

 

[face2face]

Only the LORD Jesus Christ has COMPLETE Victory over satan.

It was done on Calvery but Christians are oblivious to the Victory.

2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, he likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil), Heb 2:14.

You don't know what had the power of death
You don't know how God had victory over death
And you don't understand how the words devil and satan are used in the Bible

You are not alone

 

[David in NJ]

It was done on Calvery but Christians are oblivious to the Victory.

2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, he likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil), Heb 2:14.

You don't know what had the power of death
You don't know how God had victory over death
And you don't understand how the words devil and satan are used in the Bible

You are not alone

You don't know what had the power of death

You don't know how God had victory over death

And you don't understand how the words devil and satan are used in the Bible

You are not alone

Assumptions lowers understanding and elevates pride.
Pride hardens our hearts against the Truth.
Pride is a sign that the devil has tricked you.

Humility realigns our hearts with God when we submit unto Him.

James 4:6-7
But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you."

 

[face2face]

Assumptions lowers understanding and elevates pride.
Pride hardens our hearts against the Truth.
Pride is a sign that the devil has tricked you.

Humility realigns our hearts with God when we submit unto Him.

James 4:6-7
But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you."

If only you understood what it is you are posting David! In your assumptions you make bold statements about Devils and Demons yet you do not know the context or do your care to look. Even the above post is hypocrisy and you know it.

If you know how the power of death was destroyed through Christ (called Devil) you would say.

You don't therefore you remain in Gentile Darkness.

Isaiah 42 is lost on you as is Acts 26...Hebrews 2 is unknown as is 1 Corinthians 15 and the list goes on and on.

It's not your fault as such but the one coming will deal with this mess!

F2F

 

[face2face]

Only the LORD Jesus Christ has COMPLETE Victory over satan.

If you changed has to had and then explained how through Christ death the false accuser was put to death then we would have a Biblical discussion, but we don't.