Sabbath Issues

[GEN2REV]

Take it from me I have watched as much on that as anyone and I'm thoroughly convinced young earthers have no more of a leg to stand on than flat earthers. I'll give it one more shot though if it will make you shut up about it - send me a link to the best video you have and I will watch it.

Well, it's like I said. You find what you're looking for and you see what you want to believe. It doesn't matter what I present you with if you're already staunchly convinced otherwise. You also clearly have a preference for science over the Bible and I'm not sure how a young earth supports the OP Sabbath concept.

But maybe proving a young earth can cause some to take another look at scripture where Creation Week took place and the Sabbath was instituted.

This is a snippet of a larger doc called 'Is Genesis History?' Not sure if it's the best, but it's one of the better for sure if you can find the whole doc somewhere.

 

[strobe]

Well, it's like I said. You find what you're looking for and you see what you want to believe. It doesn't matter what I present you with if you're already staunchly convinced otherwise. You also clearly have a preference for science over the Bible and I'm not sure how a young earth supports the OP Sabbath concept.

But maybe proving a young earth can cause some to take another look at scripture where Creation Week took place and the Sabbath was instituted.

This is a snippet of a larger doc called 'Is Genesis History?' Not sure if it's the best, but it's one of the better for sure if you can find the whole doc somewhere.

I strongly doubt that is really the Biblical perspective and not just your perspective from what has been drilled into you by charlatans and cultists like Kent Hovind and Ken Ham. None the less I promised to watch it and I have. Have you looked at the other side of the argument and are you sure that it is not your staunch convictions that are preventing you from seeing the truth?
Geology will survive creationist undermining | New Scientist
For your information I used to believe much of this nonsense but when I began to truly look into it with an open mind I was presented with a serious crisis in my faith when I could no longer deny that most of these people are bald and barefaced liars.

 

[GEN2REV]

I strongly doubt that is really the Biblical perspective and not just your perspective from what has been drilled into you by charlatans and cultists like Kent Hovind and Ken Ham. None the less I promised to watch it and I have. Have you looked at the other side of the argument and are you sure that it is not your staunch convictions that are preventing you from seeing the truth?
Geology will survive creationist undermining | New Scientist
For your information I used to believe much of this nonsense but when I began to truly look into it with an open mind I was presented with a serious crisis in my faith when I could no longer deny that most of these people are bald and barefaced liars.

No, everyone alive in this world today, who doesn't live in a cave or equivalent situation, is taught all that your experts have to say about things. It is only later, upon personal seeking and researching, that anybody becomes privy to the Biblical concepts. Yes, I'm more than aware what all the current, and popular, scientific beliefs and concepts are.

All nonsense.

ETA: Why do you even call yourself a Christian? You accept and embrace all of science's refutations of God's Word. That's not what a Christian does. That's what a faithless Atheist does.

 

[strobe]

No, everyone alive in this world today, who doesn't live in a cave or equivalent situation, is taught all that your experts have to say about things. It is only later, upon personal seeking and researching, that anybody becomes privy to the Biblical concepts. Yes, I'm more than aware what all the current, and popular, scientific beliefs and concepts are.

All nonsense.

ETA: Why do you even call yourself a Christian?

Well that's it then, our opinions on this differ. You're welcome to believe whatever you want, it makes no difference to me but don't try to tell me I must open my mind so far that my brain falls out, I won't comply.

 

[strobe]

ETA: Why do you even call yourself a Christian? You accept and embrace all of science's refutations of God's Word. That's not what a Christian does. That's what a faithless Atheist does.

Get behind me, Satan, you are a stumbling block to me

 

[GEN2REV]

God's Sabbath Commandment

A glorious Commandment to remember and keep His Sabbath holy.

NOT a teaching about a millennium time to come.

"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the Seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work... For in six (literal) days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the Seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
Exodus 20:8
Exodus 20:9
Exodus 20:10
Exodus 20:11

Simple and impossible to misunderstand.

All concepts that make contrary claims about it must be taught by man (science).

 

[strobe]

God's Sabbath Commandment

A glorious Commandment to remember and keep His Sabbath holy.

NOT a teaching about a millennium time to come.

"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the Seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work... For in six (literal) days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the Seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
Exodus 20:8
Exodus 20:9
Exodus 20:10
Exodus 20:11

Simple and impossible to misunderstand.

All concepts that make contrary claims about it must be taught by man (science).

The Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites, not to us.

 

[DuckieLady]

The Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites, not to us.

Regardless of viewpoint there is Romans 14:23

"But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin."

So if anyone here believes that not taking the Sabbath is a sin for them, it is.

It took me 5 years to actually make a decision, which didn't end up coming from my own will anyway- I was led.

Why? Because one person says one thing, another says another thing. Then you are right or wrong, or judged, or sinning either way you go, and it is exasperating.

So you hand it over to God and believe.

 

[GEN2REV]

The Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites, not to us.

If that were true, the entire Bible would crumble. (Yes, many would like that)

Unfortunately for those in opposition to Truth, that is a ridiculous claim by all those who wish to lead Christianity astray. Fortunately, those who stay in God's Word are not fazed because the Commandments were not only given to all the world to teach about sin, but they were also given prior to the Stone Tablets on Sinai.

 

[strobe]

If that were true, the entire Bible would crumble. (Yes, many would like that)

Unfortunately for those in opposition to Truth, that is a ridiculous claim by all those who wish to lead Christianity astray. Fortunately, those who stay in God's Word are not fazed because the Commandments were not only given to all the world to teach about sin, but they were also given prior to the Stone Tablets on Sinai.

Do you have a Bible reference to back that up?

 

[GEN2REV]

Do you have a Bible reference to back that up?

The 10 Commandments are given at Mt. Sinai in Exodus chapter 20.

Before the Israelites ever arrived at Mt. Sinai, God tested them in the wilderness with the manna; whether they would obey His Sabbath Commandment or not to gather for 6 days only and not gather at all on the Seventh Day Sabbath.
Exodus 16

Can a person sin today, St. Robe?

 

[DuckieLady]

If that were true, the entire Bible would crumble. (Yes, many would like that)

Unfortunately for those in opposition to Truth, that is a ridiculous claim by all those who wish to lead Christianity astray. Fortunately, those who stay in God's Word are not fazed because the Commandments were not only given to all the world to teach about sin, but they were also given prior to the Stone Tablets on Sinai.

I was looking at the ten commandments yesterday, which I was always told we are not under the ten commandments.

So I'm looking at them and I realized aside from Sabbath rest, we regard every single other law on that list.

So why do we say we are not under them, except to disregard the Sabbath? We know every other one as a sin.


Romans 7:7

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

 

[GEN2REV]

I was looking at the ten commandments yesterday, which I was always told we are not under the ten commandments.

So I'm looking at them and I realized aside from Sabbath rest, we regard every single other law on that list.

So why do we say we are not under them, except to disregard the Sabbath? We know every other one as a sin.

Bingo.

You can also challenge any one of the naysayers to tell you which Commandment is impossible for a Christian to keep and they will disappear from the thread or change the subject. I've never once had any of them respond to that with anything at all. They pretend it was never posted.

 

[Grailhunter]

There is so much here that is wrong that it is sad to watch.
And most of it is simple stuff.

 

[strobe]

I was looking at the ten commandments yesterday, which I was always told we are not under the ten commandments.

So I'm looking at them and I realized aside from Sabbath rest, we regard every single other law on that list.

So why do we say we are not under them, except to disregard the Sabbath? We know every other one as a sin.


Romans 7:7

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

We are under the New Covenant - Love God with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbour as yourself.
Some wish to shoehorn keeping the Sabbath into this and it is obviously not wrong to keep it now if, as you said, your faith leads you to do so. However I think we will get to keep it for a thousand years of rest once we are with Jesus in His kingdom.

 

[DuckieLady]

Bingo.

You can also challenge any one of the naysayers to tell you which Commandment is impossible for a Christian to keep and they will disappear from the thread or change the subject. I've never once had any of them respond to that with anything at all. They pretend it was never posted.

Yes, and I am guilty of having done the same!

 

[GEN2REV]

There is so much here that is wrong that it is sad to watch.
And most of it is simple stuff.

Thank goodness you arrived to straighten us out.

Have you had your 3 pots of coffee and your beer today?

 

[GEN2REV]

Yes, and I am guilty of having done the same!

Oh.

That's a shame. You should have responded to help correct or to learn.

 

[DuckieLady]

We are under the New Covenant - Love God with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbour as yourself.
Some wish to shoehorn keeping the Sabbath into this and it is obviously not wrong to keep it now if, as you said, your faith leads you to do so. However I think we will get to keep it for a thousand years of rest once we are with Jesus in His kingdom.

I'm not going to try to change your mind because I won't, so I am just curious what do you believe determines sin?

Like are there any other commandments aside from the Sabbath that you don't keep? If so, why?

 

[DuckieLady]

Oh.

That's a shame. You should have responded to help correct or to learn.

Probably, but the thing is, I had to know nothing to learn something, and if I had known everything the glory wouldn't have been His, it would have been mine.

And I try not to judge others too harshly for anything, because I know I will be given the same measure.

And I have been wrong A LOT in my life, so I better tread carefully.

Matthew 7:2

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.