Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[IronMaiden]

So called "once saved always saved" is an example that came out of calvinism... but that false doctrine started with Augustine who John Calvin and Luther both greatly admired.

Very few churches / preachers these days don't teach the false doctrines of "once saved always saved"

Okay. I was just wondering because I’ve noticed that some people will adamantly say they don’t believe in predestination or election because they think that it’s a teaching that comes out of Calvinism, which it most certainly is not. Election and predestination are clearly taught in God’s Word:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

- Ephesians 1:3-5

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

- Romans 8:29-30

 

[Carl Emerson]

The message is BOTH = for the churches and for those whom the Spirit and the Bride are calling out to!

Yes but within the realm of the churches - There will be wheat and tares there until He returns.

The intended audience is not the World.

Rev 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants.

 

[Behold]

Okay. I was just wondering because I’ve noticed that some people will adamantly say they don’t believe in predestination or election because they think that it’s a teaching that comes out of Calvinism, which it most certainly is not. Election and predestination are clearly taught in God’s Word:

Yes, Pre-destination is taught correctly, like this.

Once you are "IN CHRIST".. you are adopted, and predestined for many things to come later.

So, what isn't predestined is to be saved or not., born again or not..... and that is the other main lie that is taught by "TULIP"> Hyper Calvinism that is the ""5-Points.'"

With the worst Satanic lie, the #1 being.... that Jesus's Sacrifice, is limited to only some, and not offered freely to anyone and everyone, as the offer of Salvation.

So what happens is.. TULIP Doctrine, and Calvinism, have a dark spiritual power that is designed as a "doctrine of devils" to cause you to only see NT Verses, as THEY teach them...

So, a TULIP Hyper Calvinist......will read John 3:16...>>>>"for God so loved the WORLD (everyone), that he GAVE Jesus the Only begotten , and Whosoever will Believe".

So, the mind that is blinding by John Calvin and "TULIP <>"the 5 points" ...........they see this verse like this..

"For God so loved only the Elect, and that God Gave Jesus only for the pre-destined, and only those caused to believe"......

See that?
That is how a person who is under the demonic influence of Calvinism and "TULIP" the "5points', .. read that verse.

And they do this with every NT verse that invites every person to trust in Christ.... as "whosoever" or "as many as call ...." Or "everyone" or "ALL", or "as many as" or "whosever will"...

They can't read that, as its written, they can only see it as..>>>"only the elect" "Only the pre-chosen" "only the Pre-destined".

So, they are under the influence of a mental Stronghold, that Paul defines in Galatians as.. .""WHO has BEWITCHED YOU< that you should no longer obey the Truth".. (You are no longer able to BELIEVE the Truth"".

 

[David in NJ]

Yes but within the realm of the churches - There will be wheat and tares there until He returns.

The intended audience is not the World.

Rev 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants.

My gathering of reading from Genesis to Revelation is that the Message is to the world and for the world but God will not force His Salvation upon anyone.
Therefore you have the Gospel which is for the world = "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever"
Then we have the Specifics of His Commandments/Revelation for those who come to Christ.
So you have THREE Dynamics in play with the Gospel
A.) GOSPEL for all nations = "WHOSOEVER" = John 1:9-13 and John 3:16 and 2 Peter 3:9
B.) Holy Spirit for His Elect = Spirit and Bride say "Come"
C.) Judgment on those who reject the Gospel = John 3:18-20

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Election and predestination are clearly taught in God’s Word:

Limited Atonement is FALSE DOCTRINE.... homie!

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (that's funny... according to calvin's false doctrine, it should say only calvinists believe)

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

With the worst satanic lie, the #1 being.... that Jesus's Sacrifice, is limited to only some

Yep, back in the day when I first started learning what calvin's people believe... when I heard this, I knew satan was behind it.

Bottom line for those that claim to be calvinist is they think they are more special than everyone else and that God loves them but hates everyone else and as such the Lord has assigned all who are not calvinists to hell before they were even born

The funny thing is calvinists don't really know if they are even saved or not because of the calvinist teaching where they claim God allows some to "think" they are saved but in the end God throws them in hell because He did not "elect" them

 

[IronMaiden]

Limited Atonement is FALSE DOCTRINE.... homie!

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (that's funny... according to calvin's false doctrine, it should say only calvinists believe)

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

I agree. Limited atonement is false doctrine. Jesus died for the whole wide world!

 

[Ritajanice]

Only Gods word, that he brings to our understanding in our spirit, makes sense,

Be very careful who you listen to.
The sheep know “ only “ the voice of their Master, Jesus is the word of God.
We know Jesus in our heart/spirit...that is where we have received supernatural faith to know Jesus..Born Of The Spirit..our spirit must know the Holy Spirit, who penetrates our spirit, takes root /residence up in our spirit, God then has us 100% in our spirit, we are Born Again spirit children of the most high, my opinion/ testimony/belief.
Only God can bring us to initially believe in Jesus, then gifts us the faith to believe in our spirit..after he has brought us to repentance / Godly sorrow...it’s the heart that God draws to Jesus...as his word says.

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Greeting to the Ephesians (Acts 19:8–12; Revelation 2:1–7) 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus,a the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Spiritual Blessings (Romans 8:28–34) 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And He has made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. 11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory. 13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory. Spiritual Wisdom (1 Corinthians 2:6–16) 15For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him. 18I ask that the eyes of your heartb may be enlightened, so that you may know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and the surpassing greatness of His power to us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of His mighty strength, 20which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, 23which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

 

[Ritajanice]

The proof of Jesus, is in our hearts/ spirit, that is where we are gifted the supernatural faith to believe,..... we are gifted faith to believe in one’s spirit, just as Gods word says, you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God....Born Again means, a Living spirit birth. only the Holy Spirit can witness the truth of Jesus to our spirit, just as his word says.

The rebirth is a Living / supernatural event, that you will never ever forget, it’s a Living rebirth , it’s not a Bible rebirth ..the Bible can only confirm how we become Born Again..it’s Gods confirmation.

Flesh gives birth to flesh = human birth.

Spirit gives birth to spirit= the Living supernatural birth, that only Gods Living witness, can gift us..who is Gods Living seed, the Holy Spirit...Faith is a precious gift from God...it comes from our Father.

This is what Calvin believed according to google..I still in honesty, haven’t a clue what it means..

What did John Calvin say about limited atonement?
According to Calvin, all and only the elect have their sins remitted. From these three quotes from the Institutes, it seems clear to me that Calvin taught the idea of limited atonement. He believed the atonement was efficacious only for those whom God has chosen.

I am extremely interested in limited atonement , as long as it’s biblically supported.
Maybe.

@David in NJ @PinSeeker @Carl Emerson can explain, as they are about the only 3 I understand on this thread... I understand if you choose not to explain.

Another thing I find fascinating is... how can anyone believe in Jesus, without the Spirit witnessing that truth to our spirit...I mean, God brought me to initially believe in Jesus, then imo chose to gift me supernatural faith, so that I then can then believe in my spirit....it’s an honour and privilege to be gifted the faith to know God in one’s heart/ spirit.

I mean you can believe in the human senses, by reading the Bible..but, to truly know Jesus in our spirit, comes by divine heart revelation....trusting or believing in Jesus before you even know him in your spirit..makes not an ounce of sense to my spirit.

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Message by the Spirit’s Power 1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Spiritual Wisdom (Ephesians 1:15–23) 6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b 10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

Just a reminder, if you want to discuss with me, please do it with dignity and respect.

If you start “ yelling or telling me, I have it all wrong, I most certainly will ignore your posts.

I’m not here to argue, I’m here searching for answers.

Praying that God will answer my questions....when we discuss in the spirit, it’s a wonderful experience, because imo, we allow God to speak, read all posts carefully, take one’s time in answering, it’s taken 33 years for the Lord to get me to this understanding..I just thank him for getting me to this place..I mean, it scares me ,to think that I could still be in that old immature mindset.

This forum for me, and by Gods power in me, has most definitely helped me mature and grow in Christ.

I LOVE this forum...thank you Lord for leading me here, where I have been for way over a year now...sorry, off topic...just sharing what was on my heart..

 

[Ritajanice]

Okay. I was just wondering because I’ve noticed that some people will adamantly say they don’t believe in predestination or election because they think that it’s a teaching that comes out of Calvinism, which it most certainly is not. Election and predestination are clearly taught in God’s Word:

Yes, everyone has their own interpretation of said scripture...

I think it’s the limited atonement that many struggle with.

In other words imo, some believe he only died for his elect, the ones he chose and predestined before the foundation of the world.

I’m waiting for someone to post scripture ,that supports limited atonement.

He limits those who are Born Of His seed.?

Is that what limited atonement means...question asked to members?

My understanding of predestination.before one is in Christ, they must be supernaturally gifted faith and birthed in their spirit by Gods Living seed, only he can birth us in the spirit..my opinion/ and belief.

Another thing, how would I know to give God my faith plus trusting him, without first knowing him in my spirit, only the Spirit of God can testify with our spirit, the truth of Jesus death and ressurection.

He drew me to Jesus, he brought me to repentance / Godly sorrow/ God brought me to initially believe in Jesus in my mind..then he gifted me the faith , by birthing me supernaturally in the Spirit...becoming Born Again is a supernatural Living event, one you will never, ever forget, God has you in spirit,100%.

The cross does not save you ,it doesn’t give birth to our spirit...it’s because of the cross, that we can become Born Of God’s Living seed.

Just my opinion/ thoughts..at one time I had the arrogance to actually believe that what I believed was God’s truth...only my truth stood..

The Lord has since put me straight on the matter..,

 

[Carl Emerson]

My gathering of reading from Genesis to Revelation is that the Message is to the world and for the world but God will not force His Salvation upon anyone.
Therefore you have the Gospel which is for the world = "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever"
Then we have the Specifics of His Commandments/Revelation for those who come to Christ.
So you have THREE Dynamics in play with the Gospel
A.) GOSPEL for all nations = "WHOSOEVER" = John 1:9-13 and John 3:16 and 2 Peter 3:9
B.) Holy Spirit for His Elect = Spirit and Bride say "Come"
C.) Judgment on those who reject the Gospel = John 3:18-20

I think we have different definitions of what the gospel is...

I tend to think of the gospel as that which we are commanded to preach to the unsaved as recorded in the great commission.

 

[Ritajanice]

I think we have different definitions of what the gospel is...

I tend to think of the gospel as that which we are commanded to preach to the unsaved as recorded in the great commission.

I find this interesting. I always witness the power of Gods Spirit, how he supernaturally births our spirit into his.

The gospel imo, was the good news that God sent Jesus into the world, to spread the news of God, ..unfortunately many thought he was possessed ,etc,etc, .

Just my thoughts.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Read John 3:16.

It ways "whosoever will believe"..

"whosoever"

"all"

"as many as will receive"

"each"

"everyone"..

"anyone"

Only CALVINISM = Hyper-Calvinism denies that The CROSS OF CHRIST is Freely given to and for EVERYONE... which makes Hyper-Calvinism (TULIP) a Satanic, Cross Denying, LIE.
A "doctrine of Devils"... Hebrews 13:9

See, when you try to SELL "TULIP" "the 5 Points' you are selling Satan's lie.
Not a good idea to claim Christ as your Savior, while you are doing that,....Reader.

John 3:16 is not in Revelation- we were talking about who was invited to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

 

[Ritajanice]

the scripture below, Calvin believed I think.that the ones who believed in him, were the ones, that God had already chosen and predestined them to believe in their spirit?

To have eternal life, it takes much more than mere human belief, ..our spirit must be resurrected, brought to life by the Spirit of God, ..my ramblings I believe are helping me understand...it’s like I’m figuring it out in my spirit, then wait for the Spirit to answer, again, just my thoughts..

I think I’m going to start another thread, so that I don’t take this one to far off the rails.

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. New Living Translation “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. English Standard Version “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Berean Standard Bible For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life

 

[Carl Emerson]

I find this interesting. I always witness the power of Gods Spirit, how he supernaturally births our spirit into his.

The gospel imo, was the good news that God sent Jesus into the world, to spread the news of God, ..unfortunately many thought he was possessed ,etc,etc, .

Just my thoughts.

Yes - The Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation. Rom 1:16

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes - The Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation. Rom 1:16

Thank you Father God, and Carl..it’s all starting to make sense, when discussed in the spirit, imo.

Let’s pray that by Gods mighty power, he keeps us discussing in the spirit.

The self is such a pain, ..lol.

Plus @Carl Emerson .. look at the power of God, through Jesus ,and what he performed on this earth, while he was alive as the divine Son.

Brother, the more God reveals to my heart, the more it blows my mind..who can resist learning from Father God...I can’t get any cleaning done, as I’m immersed in his Spirit, lol.

Short commentary.
To baptize literally means to submerge or immerse completely in a liquid. So when we talk about the baptism in the Holy Spirit, we're really talking about being immersed in the Spirit. So the gift of God is a spiritual immersion. The Lord wants us to jump in this spring of living water.

 

[David in NJ]

I think we have different definitions of what the gospel is...

I tend to think of the gospel as that which we are commanded to preach to the unsaved as recorded in the great commission.

SAME as what i posted = A.) GOSPEL for all nations = "WHOSOEVER" = John 1:9-13 and John 3:16 and 2 Peter 3:9

 

[IronMaiden]

Yes, everyone has their own interpretation of said scripture...

I think it’s the limited atonement that many struggle with.

In other words imo, some believe he only died for his elect, the ones he chose and predestined before the foundation of the world.

I’m waiting for someone to post scripture ,that supports limited atonement.

He limits those who are Born Of His seed.?

Is that what limited atonement means...question asked to members?

My understanding of predestination.before one is in Christ, they must be supernaturally gifted faith and birthed in their spirit by Gods Living seed, only he can birth us in the spirit..my opinion/ and belief.

Another thing, how would I know to give God my faith plus trusting him, without first knowing him in my spirit, only the Spirit of God can testify with our spirit, the truth of Jesus death and ressurection.

He drew me to Jesus, he brought me to repentance / Godly sorrow/ God brought me to initially believe in Jesus in my mind..then he gifted me the faith , by birthing me supernaturally in the Spirit...becoming Born Again is a supernatural Living event, one you will never, ever forget, God has you in spirit,100%.

The cross does not save you ,it doesn’t give birth to our spirit...it’s because of the cross, that we can become Born Of God’s Living seed.

Just my opinion/ thoughts..at one time I had the arrogance to actually believe that what I believed was God’s truth...only my truth stood..

The Lord has since put me straight on the matter..,

Yes, it will be very hard to find scriptural support for limited atonement because there simply isn’t any. Jesus Christ came to offer salvation to everyone—the whole wide world. John 3:16

 

[Behold]

John 3:16 is not in Revelation-

And Cats are not in Space. @Carl Emerson

And The Cross is not in the Old Testament., with Jesus literally on it.

So...Whatever...

See, what you wrote, is just odd.. and only has meaning to you and whatever cult or cult commentary you are selling now.........and it has nothing to do with The Cross of Christ, or Salvation.