Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[Carl Emerson]

The Holy Spirit witnesses that I am a child of God, all day every day....33 years and counting..Praise God for his witness, who resides in our spirit, who can only witness Gods truth to our heart/ spirit.

If God plants his seed into your heart, it will 100% grow and mature into a beautiful tree.

That shows the character of Christ and bear his fruit.those are the Born Again,imo.

"God is at work within us to will and to do of His good purpose" supports what you are saying.

I think we can resist His purpose though and delay His blessing through unbelief and disobedience. I know I did for 11 years after being born again, I fell away for a season and He rescued me.

 

[Ritajanice]

"God is at work within us to will and to do of His good purpose" supports what you are saying.

I think we can resist His purpose though and delay His blessing through unbelief and disobedience. I know I did for 11 years after being born again,

Me too Brother,Amen!..

 

[Ritajanice]

God is at work within us to will and to do of His good purpose

Praise God! Amen!

 

[PinSeeker]

OUR Faith in Christ is what we Give God that He accepts.

Faith is of God, given to us by God ~ His assurance, and conviction of things unseen given by the Holy Spirit. I've told you this over and over and over again, and it's not just me saying that, it's in Scripture over and over and over again. We do not assure or convict ourselves of anything; such assurance and conviction would be worthless... wishful thinking, really. If you think otherwise, then you are disputing God's Word.

Our faith is always there...

Not the faith that God gives us when we are born again of the Spirit.

..... as you had faith in many things before...

Yes, but it was a worthless faith as far as salvation is concerned.

And that was your free will...

No, it was not because of our free will ~ not initially ~ as I have said over and over again. As Jesus says to the Jews He is speaking to in John 10, and it is applicable to all who don't believe, "you do not believe because you are not among my sheep." You would have Him saying, "you are not among my sheep because you do not believe," but that is the absolute reverse of what He does in fact say.

...it was not because you were caused to believe...

Right, as I have said, again many many times, but because you were born again of the Spirit, and your heart was changed from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh. Only then did you believe, because you were no longer of your father the devil, but of your Father God.

it was because you were drawn to understand whom to believe in, and you made that choice.

This is absolutely true, but the understanding came as a result of the changed heart.

Paul teaches that all are born with "the measure of faith"...

All Christians, who have been born again of the Spirit, Behold. He's speaking specifically to and about Christians, not everyone.

Jesus said, "If i be lifted up, i will Draw ALL people to me"...

Yes, all the ones who are given to Him by the Father. These are God's elect. Not "all people" in the sense of everyone. Universalism is a heresy.

Like I have said, your head is made of brass. Actually, maybe that's wood... petrified wood... <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

"God is at work within us to will and to do of His good purpose" supports what you are saying.

I think we can resist His purpose though and delay His blessing through unbelief and disobedience. I know I did for 11 years after being born again, I fell away for a season and He rescued me.

I wouldn't call that falling away, Carl. The Bible seems to indicate true falling away is a result of never having really been one of Jesus's sheep in the first place. As John says, "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us" (1 John 2:18-19). But even we who are saved can wander from time to time, for sure...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I wouldn't call that falling away, Carl. The Bible seems to indicate true falling away is a result of never having really been one of Jesus's sheep in the first place. As John says, "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us" (1 John 2:18-19). But even we who are saved can wander from time to time, for sure...

Grace and peace to you.

Yes for sure - my salvation was never lost.

We need another term - 'lapsed Christian' for a season ??

 

[Carl Emerson]

The Bible seems to indicate true falling away is a result of never having really been one of Jesus's sheep in the first place. As John says, "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us" (1 John 2:18-19).

I think these are the folks that Heb 6 speaks about. They were in fellowship, tasted the blessings, but never experienced rebirth...

 

[Carl Emerson]

By the way, I can't remember if you raised this @PinSeeker but John 1 dismisses being born again being associated with 'freewill'

13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Behold]

Faith comes from hearing...

But not all hear... (

The HS reveals to the person who is hearing the Gospel...

This Gospel, being heard, is not just Me in a Pulpit, saying.....>"Christ came into the world""......died on the Cross".... ect.

This Gospel can be heard, as you are watching "Jesus of Nazareth".. .or when you are listening to a Christian Song that is a Hymn.

The Gospel that is the Message : "Christ on the Cross".... can be given hundreds of ways.. and not just by a preacher.

So, the HS will open the eyes of your heart, to the Truth about Christ.......in many different ways, and once you SEE IT, in your heart....you then decide what to do with this REVELATION.

And thats on YOU.

Hyper-Calvinism, and the 5-points, TULIP, dont allow you to be the BELIEVER... as they say God has to "irresistibly" force you, cause you, make you believe........and that is a LIE.

So, if you believed in Jesus, that was YOUR CHOICE.....just like if you WONT< once you know the truth., that is your CHOICE.

This is why the unpardonable sin of CHRIST REJECTION is "willfully" committed, as its based on your FREE WILL.

 

[Ritajanice]

Hearing the Gospel, is not the same as receiving Gods supernatural faith, that’s another level of Gods gifting us supernatural faith.it has nothing to do with us, as we were chosen/ predestined to receive this supernatural faith, before the foundation of the world.

We are Born Of God’s seed..that Living seed penetrates the heart of all of God’s chosen/ predestined children.

Takes up permanent residence in our heart/ spirit..there it will grow into the true vine, producing the beautiful fruit of Jesus, plus we grow into the character of Christ.

As all of God’s children will do.

 

[Behold]

Lets look deeper now..

A "TULIP"> a hyper calvinist, a "5-point">.. is one who believes in Calvinism = extremism .

So, both the Calvinist and the Hyper, have been led to believe that Paul the Apostle is a Calvinist. a 5 Point Hyper Calvinist.
And that is what they TEACH and BELIEVE.

So, lets look at that, and then i'll show you one more, in the next post..

First, lets understand why a person goes to hell and not to heaven..
Its simply because they "died in their sin, never forgiven", and were never born again. So, they died separated from God, by their Sin..
So, that situation, does not allow you to go to Heaven, because you were not forgiven all your sin.... born 'In Christ" as "one with God", before you died.
This is why Jesus told us.....>"YOU, MUST, be born again", and if you are not you are not a Son/Daughter of God when you died, and so your eternity is spent, where those who are not born again Sons/Daughters of God, end up... and that is not in Heaven......
There is only one other option. : HELL.

Now, Calvin and the Hyper-Calvinist, teach that Paul is a 5-point Hyper Calvinist, as they teach that a few verses that Paul wrote, that they SEE as meaning what Calvin teaches and others who evolved Calvins theology in Hyper-Calvinism.., proves that Paul is a Calvinist, and a Hyper Calvinist.
They believe that a few of Paul's verses teach the 5-points of Calvinism.

So, listen now.... as you have to see this... in your understanding.

If Paul is a Calvinist, then Jesus is a Calvinist....... as Paul RECEIVED all His Theology "not from any man, but from the LORD", Himself.
So, If Paul is a Calvinist, then Jesus is a Calvinist., according to Calvinism and Hyper Calvinism that is "the 5 Points"..(TULIP).

Therefore, if Paul and The Lord Jesus The Christ are both Calvinists, then they will understand "pre-destined" to believe."
They will understand "pre-chosen" to believe"
They will understand "God causes you to believe or you can't".
And they will teach that always.

Now, lets look at some Verses..

1.) "their remainth no more sacrifice for your sin" because you have "willfully sinned", the sin of UNBELIEF... "just as your Father's did".

So, those verses are Hebrews 6 & 10.. .and this one..

“'"You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY Spirit.!""""

So, Hyper Calvinism, teaches that this isn't possible, as you have no free will..
Yet if the Forum member can read, you Just read PAUL tell Christ rejectors, that "THEY...ALWAYS resist the Holy Spirit."
This means that Paul is one confused Calvinist, Hyper Calvinist, or that Calvinism and the "5-points" (TULIP) is a "doctrine of Devils"., as Paul just blamed them for their "resisting the Holy Spirit" that the '5-points" of Hyper Calvinism, says isn't possible.

Now when you read that "you always RESIST THE HOLY SPIRIT", then that is "you are resisting the Truth, that is the Gospel being revealed to you".., and that is also Hebrew 10".. ."If you willfully sin"...(will not believe in Jesus, willfully) there remainth no more JESUS FOR YOU... "there remaineth no more SACRIFICE for your SIN." because of your Willful decision to reject the Sacrifice who is JESUS ON THE CROSS.

So, then If Paul is the "5-point" Hyper Calvinist, who teaches that "you can't choose Christ unless you are caused to believe by the HS"............. then Paul just lied when He taught us t that THEY Resisted the Holy Spirit = Willfully........as does every Christ Rejector.

Notice that Paul didnt say..>>"well, dont worry about it, because you were just not chosen to believe".

Look now at Acts 28:28... as this is actually Hebrews 10... in the Book of the "ACTS of the Apostles."
Paul said to UNBELIEVING JEWS........>>"I will take the Gospel to the Gentiles, and they will Believe it".
So, if these JEWS were "pre-chosen" to not be the "5-Point, Hyper-Calvin" "chosen to believe" .. then you notice that Paul didnt say... "no worries, you can't believe because you are not of the chosen to believe"..

 

[Behold]

Lets look now at Jesus, ............who is supposed to be the original Calvinist, and 5-point TULIP author.... who taught Paul to be the same, according to Calvinists and Hyper-Calvinist who are of the "5 points".. (TULIP). (Hyper-Calvinism).

Notice Reader,

You have Thomas the Apostle, who said.. "I WILL NOT BELIEVE, unless I see the proof.. i have to see the nail prints, the wound in the side".

So, Thomas is an UNBELIEVER, and just told you so, and He is an APOSTLE, whom Jesus Chose.
Now.. Jesus is resurrected and appears to all the Apostles.
He goes directly to Thomas the Unbeliever.. and says....

"LOOK< Touch... BELIEVE>...

And Thomas then does, BELIEVE..... and says. while kneeling.. "MY LORD< and my GOD". (KJV).

And Jesus says, """"blessed are those who BELIEVE without SEEING..""""

Now do you see that Reader?
Jesus just stated that Thomas BELIEVED, because HE SAW... with His EYES.

And So, apparently, Jesus forgot to say..."Well, you didnt believe because you saw me,.... you only believed because you were pre-destined".

So....Apparently Jesus forgot to be a 5-Point Hyper Calvinist in this verse.

 

[Ritajanice]

This can happen after one becomes Born Again, purely out of ignorance in some cases, also disobedience, this is where the pruning will occur,God disciplines his children,. we grow in spirit knowledge, imo.
The power within, is making us to be more and more like Jesus, he’s at work in our hearts/mind etc.
The natural man wouldn’t understand any of what is written below, the words are spiritually discerned.
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What does a stiff neck mean spiritually?
We are spiritually stiffnecked when we are hardhearted, stubborn, rebellious, or prideful. These bad attitudes can get in the way of us receiving guidance and blessings from the Spirit.


It’s a killer and it will most certainly stunt our growth, unless we present ourselves before the Lord with a sincere heart.acknowledge all of the above, then he will give you his supernatural power to overcome.

All the time we walk in self, that is where we will stay, the above needs to be spoken to our hearts, by divine revelation.

Only the Living Spirit, can show you the error of our ways..

 

[Carl Emerson]

Lets look now at Jesus, ............who is supposed to be the original Calvinist, and 5-point TULIP author.... who taught Paul to be the same, according to Calvinists and Hyper-Calvinist who are of the "5 points".. (TULIP). (Hyper-Calvinism).

Notice Reader,

You have Thomas the Apostle, who said.. "I WILL NOT BELIEVE, unless I see the proof.. i have to see the nail prints, the wound in the side".

So, Thomas is an UNBELIEVER, and just told you so, and He is an APOSTLE, whom Jesus Chose.
Now.. Jesus is resurrected and appears to all the Apostles.
He goes directly to Thomas the Unbeliever.. and says....

"LOOK< Touch... BELIEVE>...

And Thomas then does, BELIEVE..... and says. while kneeling.. "MY LORD< and my GOD". (KJV).

And Jesus says, """"blessed are those who BELIEVE without SEEING..""""

Now do you see that Reader?
Jesus just stated that Thomas BELIEVED, because HE SAW... with His EYES.

And So, apparently, Jesus forgot to say..."Well, you didnt believe because you saw me,.... you only believed because you were pre-destined".

So....Apparently Jesus forgot to be a 5-Point Hyper Calvinist in this verse.

Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Nothing new here...

Colossians 2:12
you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Romans 8:11
if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

All by Grace.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I already know what it means.
See, that is the advantage that a Bible Believer always has, and if you were that, you would not care about Greek, and would not have become deceived for 30+ yrs by "TULIP".

See what happened to you, because you never allowed the word of God, the Holy Bible to be your final authority......

You are literally, on the wrong side of Hebrews 12:9, as it describes what happened to you.. because you didnt obey this verse.

So, YOU can chase the Greek and you can adore Calvin., as thats your Religion.

However that is not to be found in the life of a True Believer.

Believe it.

Well God will show how wrong you are and what a false prophet you are.

The greek matters alot! It is the language the NT was written in.

But once again I see all you can resort to is condemnations and false allegations and acerbic replies from a bitter soul!

 

[Behold]

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

The gift is the grace not the faith.

The faith is what you give God, to receive the Grace that is the "GIFT".

 

[Behold]

Nothing new here...

You falsely teach that the call of God, the predestination, that causes people to believer is : "irresistible'....

That is what you posted to me.

Remember?

And that "Irresistible" is the "I" in TULIP, yet you claim not to actually be a 5-point Hyper Calvinist Disciple., yet you tried to sell your "5pt" "irresistible" Grace , on my Thread. @Carl Emerson

So, let me show you how IRRESISTIBLE is, the Holy Spirit, as the doctrine of Devils that is 5 Point "TULIP", claims... that you must OBEY the Holy Spirit and be caused to Believe.. because you are pre-chosen, pre-destined..

Notice carefully....ACTs chapter 7... @Carl Emerson .

“'"You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY Spirit.!""""

New International Version
“You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!

New Living Translation
“You stubborn people! You are heathen at heart and deaf to the truth. Must you forever resist the Holy Spirit? That’s what your ancestors did, and so do you!

English Standard Version
“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you.

King James Bible
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


Notice Mr Irresistible Grace Disciple.... @Carl Emerson ...

Did you notice that even their FATHERS, resisted the Holy Spirit?

So, just remember that Calvinism is the Devil's Lie, and TULIP the 5 points is an Anti-Cross.......Doctrine of Devils.

Think on that.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You falsely teach that the call of God, the predestination, that causes people to believer is : "irresistible'....

That is what you posted to me.

The Love of God is irresistible to the Chosen.

The 'Stiff necked' are not chosen.

By the way - you risk having the thread cleaned up by the Mods for demonising believers. I think all of your judgements against the saints might well disappear.

 

[Behold]

The Love of God is irresistible to the Chosen.

Im not certain who teaches that, but it not the NT.

Quote that verse from a BIBLE.

The 'Stiff necked' are not chosen.

What i pointed out to you, is that the Holy Spirit can be resisted, when the Gospel is given.. which denies the core doctrine of TULIP. 5-point:" Hyper Calvinism. which Proves that TULIP is a Demonic LIE.

See, This is "sinning willfully".. by rejecting the Holy Spirit. = refusing to believe the Gospel when the Holy Spirit "draws" you, to believe it....., and TULIP says that is IMPOSSIBLE, because TULIP is a "doctrine of Devils'.

Want me to post the entire ACTs 7 verse again for you, that says the fathers of the sons, and the sons were "resisting the Holy Spirit"..

Now, what you dont understand, and can't as that is what Calvinism does to you MIND>. @Carl Emerson .......is that Paul would not be accusing Jews, in Acts 28:28, of refusing God's Grace, of refusing THE GOSPEL.... when the Holy Spirit is calling them.... if Paul taught that only the chosen/pre-destined can believe.

Paul is not going to preach to Jews, and then accuse them of NOT BELIEVING, willfully.. if Paul is a Calvinist Hyper-Calvinist, who is the author of it..
As He would know that accusing UNBELIEVERS, of willfully rejecting the Call of the Holy Spirit, .. if God wont choose them to believe, is not their Fault.

But He IS Accusing them, and that is because they KNOW to believe The Gospel, = being led being "drawn" to do so by the HOLY SPIRIT, and they willfully WONT.

So that refutes "Pre-chosen" "pre-destined".. "Irresistible" TULIP. "5-Point" , "Doctrine of Devil's, "5-Point" TULIP, Hyper Calvinism.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Im not certain who teaches that, but it not the NT.

Quote that verse from a BIBLE.

So you don't believe in Irresistible Love - When Paul encountered Jesus on the Road He encountered Irresistible Love that changed His life completely.

God is Love.