Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[amigo de christo]

4. John 15:26: The Holy Ghost testifies of Jesus Christ​

Jesus taught that “when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me” (John 15:26). Latter-day Saints believe that one of the main roles of the Holy Ghost is to testify of truth, especially of Jesus Christ and His divinity! It is only through the Holy Ghost that we can receive a testimony that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Redeemer of the World

I will not leave you comfortless , I WILL COME UNTO YOU .
ME and MY FATHER shall abide with him . OH indeed its a mystery . BUT GOD IS TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT IS TRUTH
HIS WORD IS TRUTH and If anyone believes not the testimony that GOD HIMSELF , THE FATHER HIMSELF
gave of the SON , well as john once well wrote THEY BE CALLIN GOD a LIAR .
now i dont know about you or anyone else , but ME THINKS if someone is calling GOD a liar
THEY AINT OF THE TRUTH SISTER . THEY are NOT OF GOD sister , they are not of us .
HE who hears us is OF GOD , He who hears not us IS NOT of GOD . john , who knew truth , once wrote .
JESUS said YE hear ME NOT , cause you ARE NOT MY SHEEP . ALL that THEFATHER HAS GIVEN ME COME TO ME
Notice he didnt say ALL come to some other religoin but TO ME .
Take a good long peek at what the jews who did not beleive on JESUS Once told him .
AND KEEP THIS IN MIND when others try and say that other religoins serve GOD and GOD is their father .
THEY said to JESUS . WE HAVE ONE FATHER . ITS GOD .
JESUS says IF GOD were truly your FATHER you would have , DID HE SAY REJECT ME OR LOVE ME . LOVE ME .
HE who loves ME KEEPS MY SAYINGS .
JOHN reminded us TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , take note that says BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and to love one another .
NOW back to WHAT JESUS told even the jews who did not believe on him .
YE do the works of your father . WE HAVE ONE FATHER , they said , ITS GOD .
now read on down . YE ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL . hey it a jew who believes not JESUS was the christ
was told his father was the devil , what makes us think all these other CHRIST DENYING RELIGOINS
dont have the same PAPPY as in the DEVIL . read acts chapter twenty six
ON WHAT JESUS had told paul on how what message he was to preach THAT COULD DELIVER them from the power
of satan and of darkness . IT WAS THE BELIEVE YE IN JESUS THE CHIRST MESSAGE . not the other fake love message
that DENIES JESUS is THE CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

4. John 15:26: The Holy Ghost testifies of Jesus Christ​

Jesus taught that “when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me” (John 15:26). Latter-day Saints believe that one of the main roles of the Holy Ghost is to testify of truth, especially of Jesus Christ and His divinity! It is only through the Holy Ghost that we can receive a testimony that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Redeemer of the World

quick trivia question and reminder . IF JESUS said it , WHO do you THINK said it .
GOD DID .
Have you noticed that today we hear a ton of reminders about HOW GOD IS LOVE
And yet they do not seem to point to and to declare HIS LOVE . THEY do not demonstrate and give HIS LOVE
to others . What love is this that i do speak about .
Cause i too KNOW GOD IS LOVE and that GOD DID create all and that GOD DOES Desire the death of none
and that none do perish .
And they will surely say this , YET PREACH AGAINST the LOVE OF GOD , THE MESSAGE OF GOD
by which if a man do BELEIVE HE WOULD NOT PERISH . THEY DO NOT POINT TO CHRIST at all
they rather use the phrase GOD IS LOVE to make it seem as though all will be fine no matter what relgioin
belief they beleived . OOPSY . sounds to me like they preach A DELUSION . A DELUSION that
will save none , and not even themselves . OH GOD IS LOVE ALL RIGHT
and this IS THE LOVE OF GOD , that HE DID SEND HIS SON to be the savoir of the world
that all who do BELIEVE would NOT PERISH but have everlasting life . THEY SURE SEEMS TO OMIT THAT PART .
THUS they , AS JESUS Once told the jews who believed not on him , THEY DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN THEM. this gringo wont boast in me or in men . BUT IN GOD AND HIS CHRIST .
OH i know this brother is one hated man and often seen as an anti christ and a hating machine .
But tell me dear sister , have you ever seen an anti christ PREACH SO MUCH AND SO OFTEN as DO I
about the ABSOLUTE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST as i leave them NO OTHER NAME OR HOPE THAN TOBELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
I DO NOT the WORK of anti christ nor am i the hater . I POINT TO JESUS NON STOP and HIS teachings .

 

[Marvelloustime]

I will not leave you comfortless , I WILL COME UNTO YOU .
ME and MY FATHER shall abide with him . OH indeed its a mystery . BUT GOD IS TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT IS TRUTH
HIS WORD IS TRUTH and If anyone believes not the testimony that GOD HIMSELF , THE FATHER HIMSELF
gave of the SON , well as john once well wrote THEY BE CALLIN GOD a LIAR .
now i dont know about you or anyone else , but ME THINKS if someone is calling GOD a liar
THEY AINT OF THE TRUTH SISTER . THEY are NOT OF GOD sister , they are not of us .
HE who hears us is OF GOD , He who hears not us IS NOT of GOD . john , who knew truth , once wrote .
JESUS said YE hear ME NOT , cause you ARE NOT MY SHEEP . ALL that THEFATHER HAS GIVEN ME COME TO ME
Notice he didnt say ALL come to some other religoin but TO ME .
Take a good long peek at what the jews who did not beleive on JESUS Once told him .
AND KEEP THIS IN MIND when others try and say that other religoins serve GOD and GOD is their father .
THEY said to JESUS . WE HAVE ONE FATHER . ITS GOD .
JESUS says IF GOD were truly your FATHER you would have , DID HE SAY REJECT ME OR LOVE ME . LOVE ME .
HE who loves ME KEEPS MY SAYINGS .
JOHN reminded us TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , take note that says BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and to love one another .
NOW back to WHAT JESUS told even the jews who did not believe on him .
YE do the works of your father . WE HAVE ONE FATHER , they said , ITS GOD .
now read on down . YE ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL . hey it a jew who believes not JESUS was the christ
was told his father was the devil , what makes us think all these other CHRIST DENYING RELIGOINS
dont have the same PAPPY as in the DEVIL . read acts chapter twenty six
ON WHAT JESUS had told paul on how what message he was to preach THAT COULD DELIVER them from the power
of satan and of darkness . IT WAS THE BELIEVE YE IN JESUS THE CHIRST MESSAGE . not the other fake love message
that DENIES JESUS is THE CHRIST .

Brother @amigo de christo is spotted.

 

[PinSeeker]

The fact is, "TULIP", denies that man is capable of choosing God, Christ, or any of it. Research the "T" in TULIP, as you need to know something about it, before you continue to post deception.

Again, there is a sense in which this is true, but another sense in which it is not. The correct (and very Biblical) way to understand it is, man will not ~ because of his condition from birth, which is death in sin ~ if left to himself, believe and thus choose God. If left in this natural state, he (or she, of course) will never believe and thus never choose God... not woodenly because he or she can't or is incapable, but because he or she will remain wholly inclined not to do so. Observe what Jesus Himself says in John 6, 8, and 10:

• "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And He said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." (John 6:63-65).
• "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God" (John 8:42-47).
• "...the Jews gathered around him and said to him, 'How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.' Jesus answered them, 'I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name bear witness about Me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand" (John 10:24-29).

Deception it is certainly not. This is the Word of God.

Grace and peace to you, Behold.

 

[Scott Downey]

Again, there is a sense in which this is true, but another sense in which it is not. The correct (and very Biblical) way to understand it is, man will not ~ because of his condition from birth, which is death in sin ~ if left to himself, believe and thus choose God. If left in this natural state, he (or she, of course) will never believe and thus never choose God... not woodenly because he or she can't or is incapable, but because he or she will remain wholly inclined not to do so. Observe what Jesus Himself says in John 6, 8, and 10:

• "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And He said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." (John 6:63-65).
• "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God" (John 8:42-47).
• "...the Jews gathered around him and said to him, 'How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.' Jesus answered them, 'I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name bear witness about Me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand" (John 10:24-29).

Deception it is certainly not. This is the Word of God.

Grace and peace to you, Behold.

Amen and here Christ talks more on this same concept.​

I bolded the things Christ said that bear witness to the truths you already shared.

The Fourfold Witness​

31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not [e]true. 32 There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. 33 You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34 Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. 35 He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. 36 But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me.

37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

41 “I do not receive honor from men.

42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.

43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.

44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?

45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust.

46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.

47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

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God's word is not abiding within them, God's Spirit has not been at work within them, THEY ARE NOT OF GOD.
Therefore, when Christ appears, they do not believe.
These are not changed men. Takes being born of God first to believe in Christ. When a person is born of God having the NEW MAN within created by God in righteousness and holiness, then and only then are they believers in Christ, as in Christ appears in their lives, they believe in Christ.

They did not believe the scriptures or the prophets.
They did not have the love of God within them, which can only come from God
So therefore, they are unwilling to come to Christ to be saved.

Romans 8 says it is impossible.... for the carnally minded, to please God, so they can never be saved, as they will never believe.
Enmity is like intense dislike, hatred even.

6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Jesus in John 8 says if you are not OF GOD, you will not hear and believe, Jesus says if you are OF GOD, you will hear and believe.

47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

Notice they are OF GOD before they HEAR....so when they hear God speak, only then do they believe. You must be OF GOD or you will never believe. You must be BORN AGAIN to believe, which is what Christ is saying there. To be OF GOD, means God is at work within them on the inside, and HE does His works by the Spirit to make a person born again.

John 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

He does that according to His will for any particular person, His Spirit moves on them like wind...

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Born again comes first, entering the kingdom comes after.
Neither can you see Christ as the Captain of salvation in the kingdom of God

Not born again = carnally minded.
Born again = spiritually minded

 

[Carl Emerson]

I ask out of curiousity . Do you have children named Trishia , eugene and phillip .
I grew up living next door to these three . Their mother had remarried a leon black .
I was just wondering if you are related to them .

Different person sorry...

 

[Carl Emerson]

You came to me, .. so, deal with what you invited, as you certainly made certain that your post sent to me, was not offering a friendly discussion.
You might reconsider your next one... and while you are there.........

Are you a Calvinist, or similar TULIP Head?

If so, are you a recent convert, or have you been one of those, all along?

Before I start seriously reading someones theology, I look for a few qualifying features.

Firstly are they relating in a way that one recognises the Fruit of the Spirit.

Second do they have a sound understanding of the Character of God.

Lastly is their theology learned from second hand sources or caught from The Living Word.

Can you give some assurance that you can be trusted in these three areas ?

 

[Behold]

Again, there is a sense in which this is true, but another sense in which it is not. The correct (and very Biblical) way to understand it is, man will not ~ because of his condition from birth, which is death in sin

Your free will is not dead.
Its not dead when you are a sinner, choosing to sin more.
Its not dead when the Holy Spirit convicts you of your sin, and you are brought to the revelation that you are a sinner needing to be forgiven.

Your mind can always understand all this, in both cases, but before the Holy Spirit revealed it, you never took it personally.

The conviction of the HS, causes you to take it personally, and THEN, your FREE WILL has the opportunity to react and does.

And this is going to be....>>"yes i want to be forgiven".. or it will be a rejection, or it will be a "i know to do it, but i want to wait".

So, in all cases the person with the free will, is making choices, and to CHOOSE Christ, is a Choice, and never is it forced on you by God.

See, if God makes you believe or if God causes you to believe, and your free will is violated.. and then God is not in obedience to His own word, which tells every unbeliever that Jesus has come, Jesus has died on the Cross and ALL WHO will Believe, ... will be saved.

Salvation is an OFFER, its not a coercion, its not a forced upon you by the HS... event.

 

[Ritajanice]

We should be emulating Jesus.

Paul, in the book of Ephesians, calls on the children of God to be imitators of Christ. Ephesians Chapter 5, Verse 1 and 2 (KJV), puts it this way: “Be followers of God.” The word “followers” means to “mimic” to be an “imitator.” This is a command for the people of God to imitate God..

 

[Behold]

We should be emulating Jesus.

To do that, you do this..

Paul said.>>"Be a follower of ME... as i follow Christ".

Start there, and today would be good.

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus wants you to imitate him by seeking to have the same character as his. This is seen in Ephesians 5:1 and in many other imitating Christ verses in the Bible. Paul is talking about modeling Christ by forgiving other people, having empathy for others, and loving others.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus says people do not believe unless they are His sheep.

22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in [d]doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.

26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, [e]as I said to you.

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

And refer back to John 8 as to how you must be of God to hear, believe and be saved.
And being of God, is not under your authority, power or ability to choose that condition.
If you're of God, then you are born again, and only He does that, to make you spiritually minded.

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39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?

47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

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They do not hear as they are not of His sheep.
If they are of His sheep, then they hear and follow Christ.
Since they are not of His sheep, they do not believe.

We are talking of spiritual reality, the way things are what they are.

 

[Carl Emerson]

In the case you are representing today, you made a judgment, a foolish judgement, toward me, and you never read what i had posted before you did.
That makes your decision to do that, ignorant, carnal, and foolish. @Carl Emerson

Nothing new.

So, Now, take more more time and think about a deflection..... and come again and try to say something else that is erroneous in your defense that will be more of the same.

Nothing new.

I reserve my judgement until I am convinced that the poster is qualified to be heard - and I invite you to convince me on the three matters I raised in post #1367.

 

[Behold]

I reserve my judgement until I am convinced that the poster is qualified to be heard

Actually, what you just posted is not true.

Here is your first post to me... that led to the rest.


@Carl Emerson said..
'""""This retoric sounds like the present election - kill the opponent with accusations and don't process his policies."""


See that, that is both an accusation and a judgment.
You're welcome to deny it but your own words are the proof.

 

[Behold]

Can you give some assurance that you can be trusted in these three areas ?

See if you can get some "assurance" from these Statements.

Christians Lead you to Christ.

Calvinists lead you to Calvin.

God is not a Calvinist.
Jesus is not a Calvinist
The Holy Spirit is not a Calvinist
Paul the Apostle is not a Calvinist
The Bible does not teach Calvinism.

God makes Christians.
Calvin makes Calvinists.

So, rest assured that what i just showed you, is True. @Carl Emerson .

How do you know?

Well......That is where you have to do some sincere work, to find out, and that is the part i can't complete for you.
That's on you.

 

[TLHKAJ]

No doubt true, but we can see that the "whosoever" used by both John in John 3:16 and Paul in Romans 10:12-13 is a direct reference to Joel's prophecy, specifically Joel 2:32, where God says that that 'whosover' is dependent on God's initial call by His Spirit,

Not everyone who is called actually heeds His call.

Proverbs 1:24-27
[24]Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
[25]But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
[26]I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
[27]When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Matthew 22:14
[14]For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[Carl Emerson]

See if you can get some "assurance" from these Statements.

Christians Lead you to Christ.

Calvinists lead you to Calvin.

God is not a Calvinist.
Jesus is not a Calvinist
The Holy Spirit is not a Calvinist
Paul the Apostle is not a Calvinist
The Bible does not teach Calvinism.

God makes Christians.
Calvin makes Calvinists.

So, rest assured that what i just showed you, is True. @Carl Emerson .

How do you know?

Well......That is where you have to do some sincere work, to find out, and that is the part i can't complete for you.
That's on you.

Actually I have never seriously studied Calvin.

But as a prodigal son I can't attribute my salvation to myself.

Following that, I studied Scripture alone for more than 5 years in a stretch with no other input.

I have been reading Scripture for about 60 years in total.

My main focus however is not theological argument but encouraging a love relationship with Jesus and walking in the Way in the Spirit. What we do speaks much louder than what we say.

For that reason I am not surprised that you chose not to respond to my three points in #1367, so I am left with little reason to take you seriously more any other Noname on cyberspace since you avoid speaking about your personal walk with Jesus - you could be s Bot for all I know.

 

[Ritajanice]

My main focus however is not theological argument but encouraging a love relationship with Jesus and walking in the Way in the Spirit. What we do speaks much louder than what we say.

Knowing the heart of Jesus, is a wonderful thing...it must imo be earned, we must come to the Lord with sincerity of heart.

What does the Bible say about knowing the heart of God?
God desires to reveal His heart to you. Jesus said, “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you” (Matthew 7:7). When you ask to know the heart of God, you can be sure He will answer this prayer because it is His will for you to know Him!

If we hold onto grudges and unforgiveness ,it very much hinders our fellowship with the Lord, after all, we serve a living God, we don’t serve the Bible,....the self has to be recognised,pride,ego, me,me,attention seeking in an ungodly manner...I’ve been there, done all that.... only God can open our eyes to see and ears to hear..I also believe love is an act from the heart..it must be done in sincerity ...there is no fooling our living God.
just my ramblings and thoughts that are on my heart.

Hope you and yours are well,Brother ..I may mosey on down to the friendly bible study class.lol.

 

[Scott Downey]

Not everyone who is called actually heeds His call.

Proverbs 1:24-27
[24]Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
[25]But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
[26]I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
[27]When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Matthew 22:14
[14]For many are called, but few are chosen.

Yes, true. God commands and tells everyone everywhere to repent and believe in His Son.
This is a general call to the whole world.
But as it says, 'few are chosen.'

There is a choosing that God does, and those are the ones who believe as God changes their hearts by making them born of God.
They are called the elect. All who believe are the elect, and all who are elect will believe.

You cannot continue to ignore all scriptures that show that, as it is also true.

19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. 20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

Romans 8:33
Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

Romans 11:5
Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Colossians 3:12

Character of the New Man​

Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;

The elect must be saved and will be
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

1 Thessalonians 1:4
knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God.

 

[Scott Downey]

Many times I have asked the Lord to help me understand the above.
.
what is a general call?

Those who believe they have accepted the general call,aren’t destined to hell, surely, they accepted Christ as their saviour.?

Remember also, we all interpret scripture differently, we are all voicing our opinions,

People will not respond to the general call to repent and believe, unless God does His work in them.
No one accepts the general call, they are slaves of sin and Satan, and only the Son can free someone from that.

Look at how scriptures describes their condition.
2 Cor 4

Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor [a]handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,

4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.

6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.


v6, God has shown His light in our hearts which is why we responded to Christ positively and believed the things He says.
Satan cannot prevent the 'foreknown' elect of God from believing in their own proper time that God had determined beforehand for them to be saved.