Can you give me scripture references and do you believe that faith precedes regeneration or the other way round?
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Can you give me scripture references and do you believe that faith precedes regeneration or the other way round?
Lifelong_sinner
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Lifelong_sinner
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ok so im confused and i think you are to. I told you what calvin believed, yet you want me to post scriptures??
Would you say Calvin is correct...
Limited Atonement
The death of Christ was only for those whom God has
sovereignly elected. Calvin denounced the universal offer of
the Gospel. “When it appears that when the doctrine of
salvation is offered to all for their effectual benefit, it is a
corrupt prostitution of that which is declared to be reserved
particularly for the children of the church” (Institutes, Book
III, chap. 22).
Lifelong_sinner
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Lifelong_sinner
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they dont. They say exactly that. Jesus Himself said that many will try to get to Heaven, but few will.
Matthew 7:13
Luke 13:23
How about citing the scriptures (which you don't) that the good news is for all?
Read this...
. One Calvinist publication warned,
“... to preach
that it is man’s duty to believe savingly in Christ
is ABSURD” (Earthen Vessel, 1857; cited in Spurgeon vs. the
Hyper Calvinists by Iain Murray).
Would you agree?
Like my old teacher would say, "If God sanctified us all at once, we'd explode!" It's hard enough as it is.
Here, let me help you...
Calvin never renounced baptismal regeneration and infant
baptism. He taught that salvation is a process, which is not
the gospel of Jesus Christ. Tough a process of hearing the
gospel, conviction, and spiritual enlightenment precedes it,
salvation itself is a birth (Joh. 3:3). It is to be made alive from
spiritual death (Eph. 2:1). It is to be delivered from the power
of darkness and translated into the kingdom of Christ (Col.
1:13). No other type of salvation is described in the book of
Acts. We think of the 3,000 on the day of Pentecost, the
Ethiopian eunuch, Saul, Cornelius, Lydia, and the Philippian
jailer.
John Calvin had no such conversion experience. He taught
that “as the efficacy of baptism does not depend upon the
person who administers it, we confess that those baptized in
it [the Roman Catholic Church] do not need a second
baptism” (Gallican Confession, 1559, Art. 28). Thus he
continued to trust in baptismal regeneration as taught by
Rome, which is a false gospel.
Calvin taught that salvation is progressive, being strongly
infuenced by Augustine’s life and works. “Augustine
describes his so-called ‘garden experience’ and water baptism
as initial stages of a lifelong, progressive conversion” ??(See
David Beale, “Augustine: His Life and Infuence,” in Historical
Teology In-Depth, 2013, 1:334-50).
Would you agree?
Lifelong_sinner
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if you dont wanna believe in calvinism, then dont. I do and will continue to. Im not wishy washy in my beliefs.
Since when is it to savingly believe in Christ Jesus absurd?
But what saith the Word of
God? It says that God did will the salvation of all (1 Ti. 2:3-6;
2 Pe. 3:9) and did provide for it (1 Jn. 2:2), but He also gave
man a choice to believe or disbelieve (Jn. 3:16).
Here is another example of the philosophical approach of
Calvinism. Pink says, “Now all will acknowledge that from
the foundation of the world God certainly fore-knew and
fore-saw who would and who would not receive Christ as
their Saviour, therefore in giving being and birth to those He
knew would reject Christ, He necessarily created them unto
damnation” (p. 82).
The authority for this statement is not the plain teaching of
Scripture but the author’s human reasoning. Pink confuses
foreknowledge with forewilling.
Yes?
Is it Gods will that all be saved?
The Bible says in 1st Timothy 2:3-4, “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth”. God is our Saviour and our Lord Jesus Christ is His only begotten Son.
God chooses to save sinners unconditionally and acts in mercy to save those who do not deserve it. That includes all of God's children.
1 Timothy 2:4 who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Lifelong_sinner
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this is not a difficult concept. Lets see if this helps, lets say a judge goes to work, and starts hearing cases. A few hours later, his own son is standing in front of him and is there because he caused a car wreck. Now if that judge is honest, fair, and just, if the proof shows that he is guilty, then the judge must sentence punishment on his son. The judge doesnt want to, but if he is fair and just, he must. He takes no joy in doing it, but it has to be done.
so it is with God. He is just and fair, and while He takes no pleasure in sentencing His children, He has to do what is right and just. If the proof shows that we deserve hell, He must send us there.
Brother, you are one step to Christ..
“Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 or “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?3 And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
Do you believe what you are reading?
Do you believe what you are reading?
Lifelong_sinner
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Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Do you believe what you are reading?
But the LORD God called to the man and said to him, “Where are you?"...God is searching, why are you hiding?
Lifelong_sinner
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