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Well then, to whoever more is given, more will be required.
Of course that is true. You seem to be as one who tries this to see if it works, then tries that to see if it works, but without direct response to the thoughts being expressed, just trying to push them away.

Do you not truly see that the New Covenant IS a better covenant, built on better promises?

Are you of the mind that "to whom more is given more will be required", that this somehow negates the terms of the New Covenant, reconciliation to God being based on Jesus Christ's righteous act, and not on the man's performance?

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God was looking for continued and growing trust from them in the desert just as He does from us.
And of course that is true, just the same, our reconciliation is based on Jesus' righteous act, and not our own performance, unlike the Old Covenant, which required the performance to maintain standing with God. Do you see the difference?

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Of course that is true. You seem to be as one who tries this to see if it works, then tries that to see if it works, but without direct response to the thoughts being expressed, just trying to push them away.

Do you not truly see that the New Covenant IS a better covenant, built on better promises?

Are you of the mind that "to whom more is given more will be required", that this somehow negates the terms of the New Covenant, reconciliation to God being based on Jesus Christ's righteous act, and not on the man's performance?

Much love!

You will live forever. That’s settled. But you will need to then move on past elemental things and grapple with harder things and harder food.
God expects a return on His investment.

You shut your eyes to the harder things and refuse to move on. And that’s okay. But you try to prevent others from moving on too by your insistence that the elemental things are all there is.
 

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Come to Me, all you who are weary, and I will give you rest. Is this a real invitation? Is it open to all? Or was Jesus hiding the "fact" that though He made it sound like "all who are weary" are invited, really, what He meant, secretly, was, "All who are weary of the elect" are invited?

No. That's how duplicitous men talk, not God, Who does not lie.

And there are many many places like that.

Much love!
Don't you know the word "all" is supplied or mistranslated or something like that?
 
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mistranslated or something like that?

Lol!

πάντες pantes Adj-VMP


Mat 11:28 Come to me, all you who are burden-weary and heavy laden, and I will give you Shabbos menuchah.
Mat 11:29 Take my ol (yoke) upon you and learn from me, for I am anav (humble) and have shiflut (lowliness) in lev (heart), and you will find menuchah (rest, security [RUTH 1:9]) for your nefashot (souls, YIRMEYAH 6:16].
OJB
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Please elaborate some more...
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There is a purpose to a man picking up his cross to follow. The purpose is the death of that tyrannical old man. The outer man. The Holy Spirit is guiding us to our death so the new life within us can spring up. It’s not easy to die. There’s a lot of kicking and screaming and thrashing out. Until the man sees it is necessary that he die.
 

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the elemental things
What does that mean to you, the elemental things, and how do you see me being "stuck there"?

I'm now asking a very open question of your personal opinions of me, should you be bold enough to say what you really think. Less then that will not be useful, so if you don't want to go the distance that's OK.

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Wouldn't you suppose the return He is seeking is that we walk in obedience as we trust Him?

Much love!

Yes. He is looking for the obedience of trust. That is why we examine ourselves with His help, to see if we really ARE in trust and where we might be making sneaky end runs around trust.
 
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What does that mean to you, the elemental things, and how do you see me being "stuck there"?

I'm now asking a very open question of your personal opinions of me, should you be bold enough to say what you really think. Less then that will not be useful, so if you don't want to go the distance that's OK.

Much love!

I’m willing. Tell us about this:
14 “Again, the Kingdom of Heaven can be illustrated by the story of a man going on a long trip. He called together his servants and entrusted his money to them while he was gone. 15 He gave five bags of silver to one, two bags of silver to another, and one bag of silver to the last—dividing it in proportion to their abilities. He then left on his trip.

16 “The servant who received the five bags of silver began to invest the money and earned five more. 17 The servant with two bags of silver also went to work and earned two more. 18 But the servant who received the one bag of silver dug a hole in the ground and hid the master’s money.

19 “After a long time their master returned from his trip and called them to give an account of how they had used his money.20 The servant to whom he had entrusted the five bags of silver came forward with five more and said, ‘Master, you gave me five bags of silver to invest, and I have earned five more.’

21 “The master was full of praise. ‘Well done, my good and faithful servant. You have been faithful in handling this small amount, so now I will give you many more responsibilities. Let’s celebrate together!’

22 “The servant who had received the two bags of silver came forward and said, ‘Master, you gave me two bags of silver to invest, and I have earned two more.’

23 “The master said, ‘Well done, my good and faithful servant. You have been faithful in handling this small amount, so now I will give you many more responsibilities. Let’s celebrate together!’

24 “Then the servant with the one bag of silver came and said, ‘Master, I knew you were a harsh man, harvesting crops you didn’t plant and gathering crops you didn’t cultivate. 25 I was afraid I would lose your money, so I hid it in the earth. Look, here is your money back.’

26 “But the master replied, ‘You wicked and lazy servant! If you knew I harvested crops I didn’t plant and gathered crops I didn’t cultivate, 27 why didn’t you deposit my money in the bank? At least I could have gotten some interest on it.’

28 “Then he ordered, ‘Take the money from this servant, and give it to the one with the ten bags of silver. 29 To those who use well what they are given, even more will be given, and they will have an abundance. But from those who do nothing, even what little they have will be taken away. 30 Now throw this useless servant into outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 

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Yes. He is looking for the obedience of trust. That is why we examine ourselves with His help, to see if we really ARE in trust and where we might be making sneaky end runs around trust.
Remember though, He said,

2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV
5) Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Not "In trust/faith", rather, "whether you be in THE faith". There is a difference. And maybe this will be something that you think I'm trying to evade something, but I'm pointing you to the specifics of God's Word.

Much love!
 
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There is a purpose to a man picking up his cross to follow. The purpose is the death of that tyrannical old man. The outer man. The Holy Spirit is guiding us to our death so the new life within us can spring up. It’s not easy to die. There’s a lot of kicking and screaming and thrashing out. Until the man sees it is necessary that he die.

Rom_6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
When did that happen?

Gal_2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
What does this mean?

Gal_5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
And this?

Now, I am no scholar, but I would suggest you look this up, especially the morphology and Syntax on important words...

These are your words
....It’s not easy to die. There’s a lot of kicking and screaming and thrashing out. Until the man sees it is necessary that he die.[/QUOTE]...and it sounds like someone who is unregenerate...I have seen many people die in my time, know what I mean?
J.
 
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I’m willing. Tell us about this:

What I wrote was,

What does that mean to you, the elemental things, and how do you see me being "stuck there"?

I'm now asking a very open question of your personal opinions of me, should you be bold enough to say what you really think. Less then that will not be useful, so if you don't want to go the distance that's OK.

Much love!

Someone who answers a question with a question is avoiding the first question.

Much love!