Run AWAY from Calvinism!

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Right because nobody chooses God. It is offered to all, but nobody takes it. So he takes ones that he chooses.

So then you have God making an invitation to people to whom He has ZERO intention of allowing them to accept that invitation. That's disengenuous by definition, which is dishonesty, and God does not lie.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

So then you have God making an invitation to people to whom He has ZERO intention of allowing them to accept that invitation. That's disengenuous by definition, which is dishonesty, and God does not lie.

Much love!

Nope they are allowed to. But they won't. There is a difference.

 

[marks]

The high calling in Christ is what few attain to. This makes men angry. They don’t understand that God makes a place for the righteous too or that humility and fear of God goes a long way with God. So they stop everything to gnash their teeth and insist they are holy.

Cornelius was declared righteous, but he still needed salvation.

You must be born again.

Go ahead and gnash your teeth in your insistence if you wish . . .

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Then it's apples and oranges.

Much love!

Right…because we got a better deal than them. Too bad, so sad.

 

[marks]

Nope they are allowed to. But they won't. There is a difference.

Are you intentionally ignoring the defacto meaning of your words?

Your stance appears to match the man who stands before the emmaciated crowd, calling out, All you who are hungry, come to me, and I will give you food! But you've already chosen a half dozen you are going to feed, and in spite of your words, you've already decided the rest can go ahead and starve.

So are you being honest, straightforward, a stand up guy? No. And you really don't understand that?

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Cornelius was declared righteous, but he still needed salvation.

You must be born again.

Go ahead and gnash your teeth in your insistence if you wish . . .

Much love!

I never said any man did not need saving so I’ve missed your point completely.

 

[reformed1689]

Are you intentionally ignoring the defacto meaning of your words?

Your stance appears to match the man who stands before the emmaciated crowd, calling out, All you who are hungry, come to me, and I will give you food! But you've already chosen a half dozen you are going to feed, and in spite of your words, you've already decided the rest can go ahead and starve.

So are you being honest, straightforward, a stand up guy? No. And you really don't understand that?

Much love!

Except that isn't an equal analogy now is it? Nope.

 

[Johann]

I know you are not asking me for spiritual counsel so I’m not going to answer that. I’m not going to help you to where me answering would lead, not because it hurts me, but because it would not help you right now. You should speak with the two men who you understand.

I know you are not asking me for spiritual counsel so I’m not going to answer that. I’m not going to help you to where me answering would lead, not because it hurts me, but because it would not help you right now. You should speak with the two men who you understand.

Do you think I am a obnoxious, cantankerous kind of man? Abusive?
You don't need to answer.
J.

 

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Right…because we got a better deal than them. Too bad, so sad.

The New Covenant is a better covenant, that's why it's there. The Old Covenant had a weakness, it depended on the performance of the man.

Much love!

 

[marks]

There is so much dancing around on this thread I'm getting dizzy!

(you can all run with that now . . .)

;)

 

[marks]

Right…because we got a better deal than them. Too bad, so sad.

Best to leave off here, I think.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Nope they are allowed to.

Not according to you.

That's like me telling you, If you want to live, yes, live! You can do so just by flying to the moon! All are invited!



Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

Not according to you.

That's like me telling you, If you want to live, yes, live! You can do so just by flying to the moon! All are invited!



Much love!

No again that is not the same thing.

Do you believe yes or no that God would save anyone and everyone who believes? Because I do.

 

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No again that is not the same thing.

Do you believe yes or no that God would save anyone and everyone who believes? Because I do.

You are of the mind that God causes certain people to believe, and does not cause others to believe, correct?

And you are of the mind that unless God causes you to believe, that you won't, also correct?

And you are of the mind that even though God invite you to come, that unless He then accompanies that invitation with "causing you to believe", you cannot come, also correct?

If you've answered yes to these, show me you have the courage to own the conclusion. Because your continued insistence is communicating that you are unaware of the implications of your point of views. And that's not a good thing.

And asking whether I think God will save those who believe, that's a deflection, because it has nothing to do with this particular question.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

You are of the mind that God causes certain people to believe, and does not cause others to believe, correct?

Sort of. Nobody wants to believe, nobody will believe. So God changes the heart of some for His glory.

And you are of the mind that unless God causes you to believe, that you won't, also correct?

Yes because we are in bondage to our sin.

And you are of the mind that even though God invite you to come, that unless He then accompanies that invitation with "causing you to believe", you cannot come, also correct?

More like will not come.

If you've answered yes to these, show me you have the courage to own the conclusion. Because your continued insistence is communicating that you are unaware of the implications of your point of views. And that's not a good thing.

And asking whether I think God will save those who believe, that's a deflection, because it has nothing to do with this particular question.

Much love!

Does that help?

 

[marks]

Sort of. Nobody wants to believe, nobody will believe. So God changes the heart of some for His glory.

Sort of?

OK.

Much love!

 

[marks]

More like will not come.

And why would that be?

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Do you think I am a obnoxious, cantankerous kind of man? Abusive?
You don't need to answer.
J.

I think you are tossed about by your flesh, your emotions and passions and impatience’s, just as we all are until He puts them under our feet.

 

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Does that help?

Yes, it does, but not maybe in the way you hoped. It shows me your lack of confidence in asserting your position.

Why won't you just come out and say it?

"God invites all, but doesn't really extend the invitation to all, because salvation is not truly as we accept His invitation, it's got nothing really to do with His invitation, that's just a trigger device to initiate salvation in those whom God has already chosen, and really has nothing to do with who in fact will be saved." That would be an honest answer.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The New Covenant is a better covenant, that's why it's there. The Old Covenant had a weakness, it depended on the performance of the man.

Much love!

Well then, to whoever more is given, more will be required.
Although I think you muddy it a bit. God was looking for continued and growing trust from them in the desert just as He does from us.