Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[Johann]

trust, hope and love. If those don’t remain, you have nothing but odious clanging cymbals.

Absolutely correct, that's why the Imperative..we must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling..

Verb - Present Imperative Middle or Passive - 2nd Person Plur

J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I understand what you're saying, and generally speaking, I have had similar experiences. However, coming from a board that was hosted by a Reformed ministry and had a far higher percentage of Calvinists (I had one tell me, "I've never met an actual Arminian before"), I can also say from experience that it doesn't have to be that way. Right off the bat, I remember a dear sister and an earthy brother who held tight to the 5 points, but yet knew love and shared love. I miss them terribly, and in particular brother Pete would've made an excellent friend for LLS because he's been through some of the same things LLS is facing.

I do think that the process of making systematic theology itself is loveless and attracts those for whom the logic and order and the illusion of understanding God are more important than the relational aspect, the love thing.

(This isn't quite saying what I want to say, the way I want to say it, so I'll probably need to edit it 5 or 10 times.)

I think you did fine getting it across. There are true brothers everywhere hidden in denominations. That’s why God says, come out of her My people. It is possible (and we see it with Kings) to do what God says is right in His eyes but nevertheless not tear down ALL the idols of our fathers. It says thus and such king did what was right in Gods eyes. Nevertheless, he did not tear down ALL the idols of his father.

 

[Johann]

Absolutely correct, that's why the Imperative..we must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling..

Verb - Present Imperative Middle or Passive - 2nd Person Plur

J.

...and to excamine ourselves..

Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. - - Can’t you see for yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you— unless you actually fail the test? 6 And I hope - you will realize that we have not failed the test
J.

 

[Johann]

I think you did fine getting it across. There are true brothers everywhere hidden in denominations. That’s why God says, come out of her My people. It is possible (and we see it with Kings) to do what God says is right in His eyes but nevertheless not tear down ALL the idols of our fathers. It says thus and such king did what was right in Gods eyes. Nevertheless, he did not tear down ALL the idols of his father.

2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

...and to excamine ourselves..

Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. - - Can’t you see for yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you— unless you actually fail the test? 6 And I hope - you will realize that we have not failed the test
J.

It is to fail the test to stumble in trust but though a man grasping for the righteousness that comes through trust falls seven times, he gets back up, sees his lack of trust has tripped him, and begins running his race again. We get many chances in learning the righteousness that comes through trust. He knows our frame. He knows how to make our feet firm.

 

[Johann]

It is to fail the test to stumble in trust but though a man grasping for the righteousness that comes through trust falls seven times, he gets back up, sees his lack of trust has tripped him, and begins running his race again. We get many chances in learning the righteousness that comes through trust. He knows our frame. He knows how to make our feet firm.

The righteousness of Christ, clothed over with the garments of salvation, unless, of course, we are found naked hence the Imperative, test the spirits..
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
J.

Yes, And also, whatever is not of trust is sin. Romans 14.

As the apostle said, Who did God later become displeased with and refused them entrance into the rest He prepared for them? Wasn’t it those He had already saved when they did not continue in that trust?

Take care, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day as long as it is called 'today' that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. Hebrews 3.

 

[Johann]

Yes, And also, whatever is not of trust is sin. Romans 14.

As the apostle said, Who did God later become displeased with and refused them entrance into the rest He prepared for them? Wasn’t it those He had already saved when they did not continue in that trust?

Take care, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day as long as it is called 'today' that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. Hebrews 3.

Ah! Quoting scriptures, now I can follow your train of thought.
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The sin of mistrust of God and what He has said. It’s a struggle. From the beginning with Eve it was and it still is. That’s why we continually examine with His help where we are doing a sneaky end run around trust. Even just one hidden idol we look to for safety is enough to trip us. Like…the idol named IRA. (I don’t know what they call him in South Africa but here they call him I.R.A.) He’s the same idol from in the desert with Israel. He demands men collect more than enough for the day so he can keep them safe when they are old. He wants to be worshiped as the idol of safety in old age. But it all turns into jars full of worms.

 

[Lambano]

Ah! Quoting scriptures, now I can follow your train of thought.
J.

20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under the Law; 21 to those who are without the Law, I became as one without the Law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might gain those who are without the Law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak; I have become all things to all people, so that I may by all means save some. (1 Corinthians 9:20-22)

I have a particular reason for quoting that passage, but for now I'll keep it to myself. :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Ah! Quoting scriptures, now I can follow your train of thought.
J.

As I said, I just assume people will know which verses I’m referring to. But I’m making an effort given our previous conversation. :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under the Law; 21 to those who are without the Law, I became as one without the Law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might gain those who are without the Law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak; I have become all things to all people, so that I may by all means save some. (1 Corinthians 9:20-22)

I have a particular reason for quoting that passage, but for now I'll keep it to myself. :)

Where does this wisdom come from?? I always assume you are a young man. You seem young, but sometimes I think you MUST be old…:)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Tsk I have to go. I hope to see some of you tomorrow when I can have a whole day stretched out before me to spend with you guys. :)

 

[Lambano]

Where does this wisdom come from?? I always assume you are a young man. You seem young, but sometimes I think you MUST be old…:)

Ma’am, since your age is on your profile, I can tell you that I am older than you.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Ma’am, since your age is on your profile, I can tell you that I am older than you.

wow…you always seem to have the exuberance of youth to me…

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Maybe it’s the strange foods you eat lol…

 

[Johann]

The sin of mistrust of God and what He has said. It’s a struggle. From the beginning with Eve it was and it still is. That’s why we continually examine with His help where we are doing a sneaky end run around trust. Even just one hidden idol we look to for safety is enough to trip us. Like…the idol named IRA. (I don’t know what they call him in South Africa but here they call him I.R.A.) He’s the same idol from in the desert with Israel. He demands men collect more than enough for the day so he can keep them safe when they are old. He wants to be worshiped as the idol of safety in old age. But it all turns into jars full of worms.

Really don't know what your'e getting at, and I'm not here to have a friendly social "conversation" since that is not how God made me.
If you had any discernment you would have "picked that up"
I'm blunt.
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

He bit me again…

Tomorrow I’ll wear gloves. Lol.
Bear with each other today guys.

 

[Johann]

As I said, I just assume people will know which verses I’m referring to. But I’m making an effort given our previous conversation

There's a reason why I insist for people to "work" with scriptures.
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

We will try to bear with your insistence’s.
But I can’t promise Barny won’t come in and pants you. He lurks a lot and then suddenly you find yourself pantsed.