Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[reformed1689]

Hearing can involve reading. It is a reference to the exchange of information.

Yeah and Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear." That solidifies that there are some who do NOT have ears to hear. Which we know to be true.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yeah and Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear." That solidifies that there are some who do NOT have ears to hear. Which we know to be true.

You should broaden your selection of Scripture. Calvinist only really know about 10 verses in the Bible. They never appeal to any more.....

Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

See how these "heard the voice of God" and yet "hardened their heart"?

See. If you believe the entirety of Scripture. You can't be a Calvinist.

 

[reformed1689]

You should broaden your selection of Scripture. Calvinist only really know about 10 verses in the Bible. They never appeal to any more.....

Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

See how these "heard the voice of God" and yet "hardened their heart"?

See. If you believe the entirety of Scripture. You can't be a Calvinist.

Let me ask you this: You say God's will is for all to be saved yes? So are all saved?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Let me ask you this: You say God's will is for all to be saved yes? So are all saved?

Now you're moving the goalpost. Admit that you're wrong in "hearing" the voice of God and I will go along with you. I'm stopping here. I'm not going to let you keep doing this. You can talk to yourself.

 

[reformed1689]

Now you're moving the goalpost. Admit that you're wrong in "hearing" the voice of God and I will go along with you. I'm stopping here. I'm not going to let you keep doing this. You can talk to yourself.

I'm not moving the goalpost, how absurd. This is all part of the same conversation. My guess is you are scared to answer because it destroys your entire theology.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm not moving the goalpost, how absurd. This is all part of the same conversation. My guess is you are scared to answer because it destroys your entire theology.

1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1Ti 2:3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[praise_yeshua]

To deny calvinism is Biblical, is to, in fact, deny the Bible is truthful. There is no difference between calvin’s words, and the apostle’s words. None.

What chapter and verse is that found?

 

[praise_yeshua]

any book of the NT.

I did a word for word search of the NT and didn't find what you said there.....

 

[reformed1689]

1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1Ti 2:3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Yes, now look at the context of those verses.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, now look at the context of those verses.

I've read them many times. I'm rather certain you have "your own context" to try and "explain away" what they clearly state.

 

[amadeus]

So you still are not saved, yet you are a Calvinist? You say you will fight to get saved--that is not what Calvinism is, is it?
But you can cut on this guy because he changed his mind?

Even so...

To repent certainly means to change one's mind or to turn around! Every true believer has done this. If a person still has room to increase, that is room to grow more like God, may that not also be more changing of him as he repents of any remaining old ways in his heart?

God may certainly increase us even more if we have not finished surrendering to Him. Who has overcome all obstacles already as did Jesus?

 

[Johann]

Ah, so you think conversion and regeneration are the same thing. I disagree

King James Bible Dictionary - Reference List - Conversion

 

[Johann]

King James Bible Dictionary - Reference List - Conversion

Conversion


The turning of a sinner to God (Acts 15:3). In a general sense the heathen are said to be "converted" when they abandon heathenism and embrace the Christian faith; and in a more special sense men are converted when, by the influence of divine grace in their souls, their whole life is changed, old things pass away, and all things become new (Acts 26:18). Thus we speak of the conversion of the Philippian jailer (16:19-34), of Paul (9:1-22), of the Ethiopian treasurer (8:26-40), of Cornelius (10), of Lydia (16:13-15), and others. (See REGENERATION.)

Naves Topical Index
Conversion
See Regeneration; Convert
Regeneration; Convert



Webster's 1828 Dictionary
Conversion
CONVERSION, noun [Latin See Convert.]

1. In a general sense, a turning or change from one state to another; with regard to substances, transmutation; as a conversion of water into ice, or of food into chyle or blood.

2. In military affairs, a change of front, as when a body of troops is attacked in the flank, and they change their position to face the enemy.

3. In a theological or moral sense, a change of heart, or dispositions, in which the enmity of the heart to God and his law and the obstinacy of the will are subdued, and are succeeded by supreme love to God and his moral government, and a reformation of life.

4. Change from one side or party to another.

That conversion will be suspected that apparently concurs with interest.

5. A change from one religion to another; as the conversion of the Gentiles. Acts 15:3.

6. The act of appropriating to private use; as in trover and conversion

CONVERSION of equations, in algebra, the reduction of equations by multiplication, or the manner of altering an equation, when the quantity sought or any member of it is a fraction; the reducing of a fractional equation into an integral one.

CONVERSION of propositions, in logic, is a changing of the subject into the place of the predicate, and still retaining the quality of the proposition.

CONVERSION of the ratios, in arithmetic, is the comparing of the antecedent with the difference of the antecedent and consequent, in two equal ratios or proportions.

Bible Usage:

• conversion used once.

• Bible Reference: Acts 15:3

Dictionaries:

• Included in Eastons:Yes
• Included in Hitchcocks:No
• Included in Naves:Yes
• Included in Smiths:No
• Included in Websters:Yes
• Included in Strongs:Yes
• Included in Thayers:Yes
• Included in BDB:No

Strongs Concordance:

• G1995 Used 1 time

King James Bible Dictionary

You were going to say?

 

[Johann]

If you would, the "Spirit Incarnate" in us.

Well, no that is a good summation.
J.

 

[reformed1689]

King James Bible Dictionary - Reference List - Conversion

Yes and that resource shows the differences.

 

[John Caldwell]

@Lifelong_sinner

I never was a Calvinist.
Two years ago I was introduced to Calvinism by a very close friend of mine and since then no peace and no assurance re my salvation.
There is a member who fight, tooth and nail against this hideous, insipid teaching and I admire him.
J.

I was a Calvinist for a long time. Calvinism influenced my preaching (it can't help but to influence the preaching of a Calvinist).

After a sermon (I was a guest preacher) of the Cross I went to bed pleased with my words. I woke the next morning with a conviction I had preached my understanding and not God's Word.

That was the first time as a Calvinist I became concerned about Calvinism.

I purchased a couple of dry erase boards and over a few weeks I wrote down the Calvinistic view of Atonement along with all supporting passages I could think of.

Then I erased all passages that did not actually say what the view stated. In the end I was left with no Scripture on the board.

I had a problem.

My view is that all foundational doctrine (all doctrine upon which we build other doctrine) must be in God's Word (in "what is written').

Either I would have to change my view of the necessity of Scripture as an objective test of doctrine or I could no longer accept Calvinism as true.

My next problem was trying to read Scripture for what it says rather than reading into Scripture what I believed.

It is difficult to see just an ink blot after you have been told it's a bat. You always seem to see the bat, even though it is not really there.

I do not say this to change Calvinist's mind (that is not my business, Christ will make them stand just as He makes me to stand) but to encourage everybody to always examine their beliefs.

 

[Enoch111]

That was the first time as a Calvinist I became concerned about Calvinism.

Thanks for that honest testimony. The funny thing is that I showed posters how Calvin contradicted himself over and over again. When he wrote his commentaries he presented exactly what the Word said. Then he wrote his Institutes and contradicted Gospel truth and Bible truth in order to promote Reformed doctrine.

 

[Cassandra]

Even so...

To repent certainly means to change one's mind or to turn around! Every true believer has done this. If a person still has room to increase, that is room to grow more like God, may that not also be more changing of him as he repents of any remaining old ways in his heart?

God may certainly increase us even more if we have not finished surrendering to Him. Who has overcome all obstacles already as did Jesus?

You are missing the point. I don't understand how someone can preach Calvinism as truth to someone else when they themselves are not a participant in it

 

[amadeus]

You are missing the point. I don't understand how someone can preach Calvinism as truth to someone else when they themselves are not a participant in it

I certainly did miss your point. It must be old age setting in.

 

[Cassandra]

its real simple. Calvinism is Biblical. The Bible says not everyone will be saved. The Bible says many will say they are saved, yet will be revealed to not be saved. And heres my point all along, just because you say you’re saved, doesnt mean you actually are.

If it were true , you wouldn't be waiting to make yourself "better" before being saved, you would be already saved. Since God chooses you, what are you waiting for?