Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[Lifelong_sinner]

Since we deserve only eternal death apart from God’s intervention, we cannot complain if the Lord shows grace and mercy only to some of us. By definition, grace and mercy are undeserved, so if the Lord chooses not to give them to someone, He is not depriving that person of what he has earned. God chooses some for salvation and chooses to pass by—to not elect for eternal life—others, in order to reveal Himself as both Savior and Judge (Rom. 9:14–21). The grace shown in predestination unto salvation has a flip side in reprobation, God’s leaving some in their sins and to the just consequences of those sins.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Because election to salvation is by grace, it is not based on anything in us. It is unconditional. That is, God’s purpose in choosing Joe for salvation instead of James is not because Joe is more righteous or smarter or for any other reason besides His choice to love Joe for the sake of His glory. But in an important respect, reprobation is unconditional as well. True, the reprobate do deserve punishment, but God does not pass over James and choose Joe because James is more evil than Joe is. In fact, many who end up in heaven committed worse sins than many of those who go to hell. That is because God’s election is based not on the degree of our sin or our personal righteousness. It is based only on His free choice to forgive those whom He chooses to forgive

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You are pretty calm for someone who thinks he will be eternally tortured.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

infant baptism is absolutely Biblical. We do quite a bit of them at my church and its great to see the kids getting baptized.

What is the purpose of it?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

You are pretty calm for someone who thinks he will be eternally tortured.

God’s will be done, not mine.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

What is the purpose of it?

what is the purpose of baptism???

Westminster Confessions chpt 28, part 1;
“Baptism is a sacrament of the new testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible church; but also, to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, of regeneration, of remission of sins, and of his giving up unto God, through Jesus Christ, to walk in newness of life. Which sacrament is, by Christ's own appointment, to be continued in his church until the end of the world.”

 

[Brakelite]

Someone needs to explain to me, after asking his servants to plead for that invited to attend and partake of the prepared feast, why the master got angry when they refused. Didn't he explain or express his will strongly enough? (See Luke 14)
A similar scenario is repeated when Jesus said to the stubborn Jews,
KJV Luke 13:28-30
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

And Paul...

KJV Acts 13:46
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

what is the purpose of baptism???

Westminster Confessions chpt 28, part 1;
“Baptism is a sacrament of the new testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible church; but also, to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, of regeneration, of remission of sins, and of his giving up unto God, through Jesus Christ, to walk in newness of life. Which sacrament is, by Christ's own appointment, to be continued in his church until the end of the world.”

I meant what is the point of it for an infant. But…did they water baptize you? Why would they baptize anyone who had not been reborn? Why baptize someone God has chosen to eternally torment? It won’t change Gods mind will it?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

KJV Acts 13:46
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

wow…that’s exactly what this man has done. ..

 

[Grailhunter]

infant baptism is absolutely Biblical. We do quite a bit of them at my church and its great to see the kids getting baptized.

I am not condemning it.....I am just asking for the scripture.....rhetorical I know it is not there.....still not condemning it....still they should be baptized as an adult.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I meant what is the point of it for an infant. But…did they water baptize you? Why would they baptize anyone who had not been reborn? Why baptize someone God has chosen to eternally torment? It won’t change Gods mind will it?

baptizing an infant is no different than a grown adult. Baptism doesnt save you. We require at least 1 of the parents to be a member of the church, then once the child is grown, they make their profession of faith, take the new members class, meet with an elder, then they themselves become members.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I meant what is the point of it for an infant. But…did they water baptize you? Why would they baptize anyone who had not been reborn? Why baptize someone God has chosen to eternally torment? It won’t change Gods mind will it?

i was baptized when i was ….. about 16? 15? But that was at a different church.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I guess those of you who God has refused to save might try to comfort one another. It would not work to comfort me. I came to the realization one day that everything was very insufficient. It was all insufficiency, it was too difficult, it was all ugly, and no little occasional comforts here and there changed that. And I thought, if this is all there is and then death, then those who commit suicide are the wisest men among us. If I had been told there was good news only to then be told it was only good news for others but not me and that God had decided I would be made to suffer, not just in this life but continued for eternity, my hopelessness would only have increased if I believed it and suicide would no longer have been just a musing or a thought but a certainty for me.

wow, this is odd. Why would you ever want suicide? When you wake up each morning, dont you give thanks that you didnt wake up in hell?? Every day in this life is great compared to committing suicide and having to face judgement.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

baptizing an infant is no different than a grown adult. Baptism doesnt save you. We require at least 1 of the parents to be a member of the church, then once the child is grown, they make their profession of faith, take the new members class, meet with an elder, then they themselves become members.

I still don’t understand the purpose for the water baptism of an infant. And especially not for anyone like you who God has refused to save and has damned to eternal torture. I don’t see the purpose. I see the sacrament as a picture of the true baptism with the Holy Spirit. I see that it speaks of that. But I do not understand why anyone who had not been reborn with the Baptism of the Spirit would be water baptized.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

wow, this is odd. Why would you ever want suicide? When you wake up each morning, dont you give thanks that you didnt wake up in hell?? Every day in this life is great compared to committing suicide and having to face judgement.

Well, since a few more years of delaying your eternal torture is the very best you will ever see, I can maybe see why you would cling to this temporary…but it’s just delaying the inevitable

 

[stunnedbygrace]

i was baptized when i was ….. about 16? 15? But that was at a different church.

Have they refused to water baptize you at your new church since God has refused to save you? Or…do you just not see any point in it?

 

[Lambano]

The thing is that I am use to being at churches where people get baptized more than once.

Ted taught my Sunday School class for a couple years. We were talking about Baptism, and he said he'd been baptized four times: First as an infant in a Methodist church. Then a Believer's Baptism in a Baptist church. Then he had a period where he thought the Catholic church was the only legitimate church, and they wouldn't recognize Protestant baptisms, so he got baptized as a Catholic. He got disillusioned with the RCC and left and got baptized in some non-denominational church. In retrospect, he said, he didn't any one of those baptisms did him any good. At that point someone piped up from the back of the classroom, "That's because they didn't hold you under long enough!" Cracked us all up.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Have they refused to water baptize you at your new church since God has refused to save you? Or…do you just not see any point in it?

you dont get baptized but once. So if i ever do get saved, my membership at my old church will simply transfer to my new one.

 

[Lambano]

Well, the dispensationalist in us makes us want to say no, but since I don't have a dispensational bone in my body, I say yes.

I realized after I wrote it that the Rahab at the very least could've had the Holy Spirit whispering in her ear and I was wrong, very wrong, to have made that judgment.

 

[Brakelite]

So if i ever do get saved

KJV Matthew 7:7-11
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?