ROMANS: CHRIST DIED FOR US

[Doug]

In this moment on the cross, Jesus is quoting Psalm 22, a prophetic passage that foretold the suffering Messiah. His death on the cross is the fulfillment of the redemption plan.

yes prophetic fulfillment

 

[Doug]

Doug I write this for you in words Jesus used in scripture;

"I am the Living Water, and I am the Bread of Life.

If you come to Me, you will never thirst again; and if you eat of My flesh, you will never hunger. The water I give you will become in you a spring of water, bubbling up into eternal life. What you seek in this world—peace, satisfaction, purpose—can only be found in Me. The world offers temporary relief, but I offer what satisfies forever.

Do not labour for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life. I am that food, that bread. I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of the One who sent Me. The Father has given Me to you as the sustenance for your soul. If you eat of this bread, you will live forever.

Many will try to show you other ways, but I tell you plainly: I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. In Me is the fullness of life, and outside of Me, there is only death. Those who come to Me will never be cast out. I came that you might have life, and have it abundantly.

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So I ask you—why seek anywhere else? Jesus is the source of all you truly need. He is the door and the resurrection. Follow HIM, and you shall never walk in darkness. Only in Jesus will you find eternal life.

[Rom 16:25-26 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

I do have faith in Christ and Paul preaches Jesus from the prophets and the mystery

 

[Doug]

demeaning James, john and peter saying ""seemed" to be the pillar.

[Gal 2:6 KJV] 6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me:

They were not to be elevated and they added nothing to what Paul was teaching

 

[Doug]

you must know Peter was crucified in ROME, THERE HE WAS PREACHING TO GENTILES .

Not in the Bible this is church tradition

 

[Doug]

ANOTHER PROOF YOU CASUALLY FORGET THAT PETER WAS APPOINTED TO GO THE GENTILES BY GOD IS FOND IN ACT 15:7;

We already covered this but thats ok ....cant remember everything just like me

Acts 15:7 was recounting Acts 10 starting in v34

[Act 10:10, 43 KJV] 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, ... 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Peter was preaching the name of Jesus

[Act 10:10, 45 KJV] 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, ... 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The Gentiles there believed......not Paul's gospel.....they believed on the name of Jesus that he was Christ the Son of God

 

[Doug]

PLEASE CINFIRM YOU UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSIONS.

We have to rightly divide the Word
Look at this verse again
[Mat 20:28 KJV] 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Jesus did not specifically say who the many are.....Paul said for all in 1 Timothy 2:6....there is a difference between many and all
[1Ti 2:6 KJV] 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

You would not even say that Jesus died on the cross for all unless you are getting that from Paul

 

[LoveYeshua]

Yes Jesus spoke of his death and resurrection to fulfill what was written in the prophets....of course he knew he was dying for all but did not reveal that in the gospels and his disciples did not understand any of it Luke 18:34

When they received the holy spirit they knew and before paul too, at that time paul was probably starting to kill followers of jesus. Yes he was a murderer and approved murder.

 

[Doug]

When they received the holy spirit they knew and before paul too, at that time paul was probably starting to kill followers of jesus. Yes he was a murderer and approved murder.was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

When they received the holy spirit they knew and before paul too, at that time paul was probably starting to kill followers of jesus. Yes he was a murderer and approved murder.

Yes paul admitted that he persecuted the church
But he was a pattern of grace afterwords

[1Ti 1:16 KJV] 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Yes paul admitted that he persecuted the church
But he was a pattern of grace afterwords

[1Ti 1:16 KJV] 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

He also admitted he likes to boast and tell others not to boast. Paul can be a mass of contradictions it is why there is a warning in 2Peter3.

 

[LoveYeshua]

We have to rightly divide the Word
Look at this verse again
[Mat 20:28 KJV] 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Jesus did not specifically say who the many are.....Paul said for all in 1 Timothy 2:6....there is a difference between many and all
[1Ti 2:6 KJV] 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

You would not even say that Jesus died on the cross for all unless you are getting that from Paul

The many are those who follow him and obey the commandments,
who say you have to devide, paul?
jesus said tnat he would die and why in the epistles john,matt luke mark. So i knew before reading paul. I provided verses do you remember?

 

[LoveYeshua]

We already covered this but thats ok ....cant remember everything just like me

Acts 15:7 was recounting Acts 10 starting in v34

[Act 10:10, 43 KJV] 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, ... 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Peter was preaching the name of Jesus

[Act 10:10, 45 KJV] 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, ... 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The Gentiles there believed......not Paul's gospel.....they believed on the name of Jesus that he was Christ the Son of God

 

[LoveYeshua]

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[Gal 2:6 KJV] 6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me:

They were not to be elevated and they added nothing to what Paul was teaching

Jesus did elevate Peter as the foundation of HIS church!! and much more. I have quoted the verses for this, the direct words from Jesus, who are we to contradict GOD? you still do not see. I can explain again why these things you do not see if You want.

 

[LoveYeshua]

[Rom 16:25-26 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

I do have faith in Christ and Paul preaches Jesus from the prophets and the mystery

if you had faith in Jesus you would do as he asked;

Luke 6:46 (KJV):

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" ​

This verse is part of Jesus' teaching where He showed the importance of not just hearing His words, but also putting them into practice. He goes on to illustrate this point with the parable of the wise and foolish builders, comparing those who hear and act on His words to a man who builds his house on a solid foundation, while those who hear but don't act are like a man who builds without a foundation. The essence of this teaching is that true discipleship involves both acknowledging Jesus as Lord and obeying His commands. It's a call to align one's actions with one's professed beliefs.

 

[Doug]

When they received the holy spirit they knew and before paul too, at that time paul was probably starting to kill followers of jesus. Yes he was a murderer and approved murder.

How do you know this..... even in Acts they only speak of his resurrection but not his death for sin

 

[LoveYeshua]

How do you know this..... even in Acts they only speak of his resurrection but not his death for sin

Doug, here is the proof of what I say that Jesus disciples understood and knew all this before Paul, Like I said before you focus so much on Paul that you have forgotten the words of Jesus.

The disciples fully understood Jesus' death and resurrection after He rose from the dead and appeared to them. Even though Jesus told them multiple times that He would die and rise again (Matthew 16:21, Mark 9:31, Luke 18:31-34), they did not comprehend it at the time.

After the Resurrection, when Jesus appeared to them after rising from the dead, He explained everything again, and their minds were opened.

Luke 24:44-45 – "Then He said to them, ‘These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.’ And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures."​

When they saw the empty tomb and Jesus alive, at first, they doubted, but when they saw Him alive, they started to believe.

John 20:8-9 – "Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead."


Luke 24:36-39 – Jesus appeared to them and showed His hands and feet to prove He was alive.​

When Jesus explained it to them again on the road to Emmaus, Jesus walked with two disciples and explained why He had to suffer and rise again.

Luke 24:25-27 – "Then He said to them, ‘O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?’ And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself."​

To fulfill prophecy, the Scriptures had already foretold that the Messiah would suffer, die, and rise again.

Isaiah 53:5 – "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."​

To take away sin, His death was the ultimate sacrifice for sin.

Matthew 26:28 – "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

John 1:29 – "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"​

To defeat death and give eternal life, by rising from the dead, He proved that death had no power over Him and that believers could also have eternal life.

John 11:25 – "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live."​

To show the way to God, His death and resurrection opened the path to salvation.

John 14:6 – "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."​

The disciples finally understood the purpose of Jesus' death and resurrection when He appeared to them after rising from the dead and explained everything again. Their understanding was complete after He opened their minds to the Scriptures, showing them that His sacrifice was necessary to fulfill prophecy, take away sin, defeat death, and bring eternal life.

I hope You believe this that they knwe and understood. it is all from scripture and are the Words of Jesus who is One with GOD.

 

[Doug]

The many are those who follow him and obey the commandments,

I dont know where this is stated

 

[Doug]

who say you have to devide, paul?

yes
[2Ti 2:15 KJV] 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[LoveYeshua]

yes
[2Ti 2:15 KJV] 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

yeah I dont want to insult but you need to study more!!

 

[Doug]

you still do not see. I can explain again why these things you do not see if You want.

no thank you

 

[LoveYeshua]

the many are in reality a few and so far toy belong in the many that do not listen to god here is what jesus said;

no thank you

Do you agree with what I wrote from scripture about the disciples knew jesus would die and why and understood it before Paul?

I await confirmation. before I continue with anything.