Romans 9.22 which voice?

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Rom 9.22

εἰ δὲ θέλων ὁ θεὸς ἐνδείξασθαι τὴν ὀργὴν καὶ γνωρίσαι τὸ δυνατὸν αὐτοῦ ἤνεγκεν ἐν πολλῇ μακροθυμίᾳ σκεύη ὀργῆς κατηρτισμένα εἰς ἀπώλειαν,

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

The word κατηρτισμένα, translated "fitted" is translated in the Passive Voice here in the KJV. However, the form of this participle should be translated in the Middle Voice, which would be translated "vessels of wrath having fitted themselves for destruction."

"This fitted "katartizo" is in the "middle voice" which means something acting upon itself (Passive Voice means something/someone is acting upon them). These are people that chose wrath. Paul was telling his audience that those vessels (people) who reject God, will be like those in Romans 1 who incur God's wrath when they are turned over by God to their own passions as a result of their choice. Man chooses his own eternal destiny. This Middle Voice is illustrated by Pharaoh who self-hardened his heart.

Paul says in 1 Tim 2.3, 4:

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

If the Lord fitted these people for destruction (apart from their own doing), he would be acting contrary to his stated will. Of course, the Reformed folks see Rom 9.22 as Passive, but such is contrary to God's character, especially his mercy and love.
 

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Robertson shows this as "Fitted (katērtismena). Perfect passive participle of katartizō, old verb to equip".

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Robertson shows this as "Fitted (katērtismena). Perfect passive participle of katartizō, old verb to equip".

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Much love!
Yes, Reformed people will interpret this as Passive. I contend that to do so is contrary to our Lord's mercy can love. Now, you can understand the Passive translation here as God fitting these vessel to destruction based on their choice. But, no such clarification is present, the Middle Voice is therefore to be preferred.
 

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Yes, Reformed people will interpret this as Passive. I contend that to do so is contrary to our Lord's mercy can love. Now, you can understand the Passive translation here as God fitting these vessel to destruction based on their choice. But, no such clarification is present, the Middle Voice is therefore to be preferred.
look on. the next word is vessels of mercy prepares before hand, here it is verb Aorist, Active Indicitive

as for perfect passive or middle. I just learned they have the same form, and spelling.. so you would have to use context to determine?
 

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look on. the next word is vessels of mercy prepares before hand, here it is verb Aorist, Active Indicitive

as for perfect passive or middle. I just learned they have the same form, and spelling.. so you would have to use context to determine?
I just learned that also.

We'd need to see something direct in the context, or a parallel passage.

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look on. the next word is vessels of mercy prepares before hand, here it is verb Aorist, Active Indicitive

as for perfect passive or middle. I just learned they have the same form, and spelling.. so you would have to use context to determine?
Yes!!