Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

[Truthnightmare]

You deny that Jesus offered His disciples His New Covenant in Matthew 26:28.

You believe that He was only joking.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Jesus

Do you need a hint?

I agree, but perhaps the question is were the disciples able to enter into that covenant at that very moment it was offered?

 

[Peterlag]

You deny that Jesus offered His disciples His New Covenant in Matthew 26:28.

You believe that He was only joking.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Jesus

Do you need a hint?

Jesus did not offer his disciples the new covenant because it was not yet available. There is nothing in Matthew 26:28 that said he did. Jesus and I are not lying. You are.

 

[Peterlag]

That was when it expanded quickly. Christianity started with Christ and the 12 disciples.

Here maybe this will help...

The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.

The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Jesus did not offer his disciples the new covenant because it was not yet available. There is nothing in Matthew 26:28 that said he did. Jesus and I are not lying. You are.

Is it not possible it was offered before Christ death, but could only began after His death?

 

[covenantee]

I agree, but perhaps the question is were the disciples able to enter into that covenant at that very moment it was offered?

Jesus would not have offered it if they could not accept it.

 

[Peterlag]

You deny that Jesus offered His disciples His New Covenant in Matthew 26:28.

You believe that He was only joking.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Jesus

Do you need a hint?

Maybe this will help...

The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.

The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus did not offer his disciples the new covenant because it was not yet available. There is nothing in Matthew 26:28 that said he did. Jesus and I are not lying. You are.

He said "New Covenant".

You say He didn't.

You believe He was joking.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Jesus would not have offered it if they could not accept it.

That logic is not concrete. I can invite you to my wedding right now, and you can except right now, but you can’t enjoy the party until the day of my wedding.

 

[Peterlag]

He said "New Covenant".

You say He didn't.

You believe He was joking.

Where do you get the New Covenant started out of this?

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[covenantee]

Maybe this will help...

The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.

The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.

What does that have to do with the New Covenant that Jesus offered His disciples in Matthew 26:28?

 

[Peterlag]

What does that have to do with the New Covenant that Jesus offered His disciples in Matthew 26:28?

Why do you think Jesus offered them the new birth by talking about his blood?

 

[covenantee]

That logic is not concrete. I can invite you to my wedding right now, and you can except right now, but you can’t enjoy the party until the day of my wedding.

Do you think His disciples refused His offer?

 

[covenantee]

Why do you think Jesus offered them the new birth by talking about his blood?

Was His Blood irrelevant?

 

[Truthnightmare]

Do you think His disciples refused His offer?

No. They accepted.

 

[covenantee]

Where do you get the New Covenant started out of this?

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Where did you get it?

Hint: Post 726

You should remember what you post.

 

[Fred J]

1. John taught us that ALL humans who do not believe in the Son of God are anti-Christ(ian). (1 John 2:22-23).

2. Paul taught that not ALL naturally-born descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are Israel (Romans 9:6-8), because those of the naturally-born descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who do not believe in the seed of Abraham (Christ) are broken off from God's covenant-promises that He made with Abraham and his seed (Romans 11:1-5, 17).

They are broken off from the Israel of God. (Galatians 6:16).
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3. Jeremiah said that God would not cut off ALL the seed of Israel when God brings in a New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:36-37), meaning that a remnant would be saved - just as occurred when Jesus had died and risen again (as Paul stated in Romans 11:1-5).

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4. Paul taught us that Gentiles who do believe are grafted into Israel - into God's covenant-promises with Abraham and his seed - and are among the remnant of the naturally-born descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who believe. (Romans 11:17).

5. Peter and Paul both taught us that together these Jews and Gentiles in Christ are the living stones that are God's Tabernacle, indwelt by the Holy Spirit. (Ephesians 2:19-22; 1 Peter 2:5).

6. Paul taught that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile. (Galatians 3:28).

7. Therefore simple arithmetic and logic tells us that the church = Israel = the church.

The person who coined the phrase "Replacement Theology" in respect of what Jesus and His apostles taught is very, very confused, does not understand basic arithmetic, and exalts one anti-Christ(ian) nation above all other anti-Christ(ian) people merely because the nation that he exalts above all other unbelievers, are naturally-born descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Those who follow this heresy are so confused that they do not even realize that they are practicing replacement theology by replacing Christ - the seed who inherits all the promises of God contained in God's covenant with Abraham and his seed - with people who reject Him.

They also fail to realize that the Deliverer who came out of Zion is Jesus, and the day in which He made a covenant (the new covenant) with Israel was the day He took away their (and our) sins (Romans 11:26-27).

They do not understand that ever since the Deliverer came out of Zion and made a new covenant with Israel in the day He took away their (and our sins):-

(a) The fullness of the Gentiles is being grafted into Israel through faith in Christ, sharing with the naturally-born believing descendants of Israel in the root and fatness of the Olive tree; and

(b) IF (Romans 11:23) an unbelieving Jewish person repents of his or her unbelief, the person will be grafted back into the Israel that he is a naturally born descendant of ("their own Olive tree") - and this is because:

i. For the sake of God's promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they are still loved.
ii. God had mercy on Gentiles who believe through their unbelief.
iii. God is able to graft them in again.

Those who follow this heresy of replacing Israel in Christ with those who are not in Christ, calling them "the chosen nation, or "the elect of God" are so confused that they think the Deliverer is still going to come out of Zion in order to take away ungodliness from Jacob by taking away their sins, and making a new covenant with Jacob (the house of Israel and the house of Judah) in His blood.

They do not understand that when Jesus returns, He returns in judgment of unbelievers, He is not going to return as the Deliverer who takes away sin a second time.​

Total misconception of the testimony of Apostle Paul in context from Romans chapter 9 to chapter 11. He expresses as like going through 'birth pangs', when he reflects about his 'kinsmen', the descendant of Jacob/Israel, Israelites. Ones, who are hostile and heart-harden to the saving power of the Gospel, and are not saved.

In Romans chapter 11, he starts of by witnessing to the Gentile church, 'has GOD rejected HIS people?' And. verse 2, he continues, 'GOD has not rejected HIS people whom HE foreknew.'

Verse 11, 'So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fail? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, .......' Verse 16, 'If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.'

Next verses, he uses the parables about a 'cultivated olive tree and branches', that is the true descendants of Jacob/Israel. And, 'cut wild olive tree branches', that are the Gentiles. To some of the branches of Israel have been cut off, and branches of the Gentiles have been grafted in.

But, down the line, he also warns Gentile believers, as grafted branches, that they can be cut off too due to unfruitfullness. And, GOD is able to graft back again the initial olive tree branches HE have cut before, back into their places. (Verse 17-24)

Verse 25-32, He concludes, also cautioning the Gentile believers to mindful of the reason and purpose of GOD, why the remaining Israel rejected the Gospel. The mystery he reveals, 'a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, .....'

'As regards the Gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and calling of GOD are irrevocable.'

'For just as you were at one time disobedient to GOD but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. For GOD has consigned all to disobedience. that HE may have mercy on all.'

- all Israel will be saved - meaning, all the descendants of Jacob/Israel will be saved in the end.

Furthermore, points to ponder on - Why GOD have to send the two witnesses back to Israel when HE have rejected them, during the reign of anti-CHRIST?

And, during Armageddon, when the forces of the world joined together to completely destroy Israel for their good. Therefore, why Jesus have to descend with His angels from Heaven to defend Israel on that day? Even to the point to disintegrate the very enemy forces bodies from where they stand?

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

It was at the Last Supper.

When was that?

Thanks.

 

[Davy]

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- all Israel will be saved - meaning, all the descendants of Jacob/Israel will be saved in the end.

Furthermore, points to ponder on - Why GOD have to send the two witnesses back to Israel when HE have rejected them, during the reign of anti-CHRIST?

And, during Armageddon, when the forces of the world joined together to completely destroy Israel for their good. Therefore, why Jesus have to descend with His angels from Heaven to defend Israel on that day? Even to the point to disintegrate the very enemy forces bodies from where they stand?

Not bad...

The reason why the majority of Apostle Paul's brethren the Jews were/are spiritually blinded by God was so The Gospel would go also to the Gentiles. God put that spiritual 'stupor' upon them and Paul revealed the time will come when God will remove it (at Christ's future return).

Those in Revelation shown in final crying to the hills and mountains, wishing for them to "Fall on us", is about those deceived spiritually blinded Jews when their blindness is removed, and they see Jesus Christ for Who He really is. This is also pointed to at the end of Zechariah 12.

One of the problems some christian brethren have with understanding this is how they miss Christ's teaching about the "tares" that crept in among the Jews, and represent Satan's servants that deceive them. Those are not of true Judah, but are servants of the devil put here on earth work the negative side of God's Plan. Those are the main trouble makers among the Jews. But Lord Jesus in His parable of the tares of the field, said to leave them alone, and at the end of this world those "tares" will then be dealt with. However, some brethren hate the Jews because of not realizing this point about those "tares" that dwell among the unbelieving Jews.

And about the battle of Armageddon, the army that's to come up against Jerusalem on the final day of this world, will come out of the northern quarters of the earth per Ezekiel 38 & 39. It will NOT involve all nations, but 'very specific' nations listed in that alignment given in the Ezekiel 38 Chapter. There's a false doctrine going around that the western Christian nations will be involved in that attack against Jerusalem along with those Ezekiel 38 nations, not so. And the very fact that even right now, today, the western Christian nations have been sending military and medical aid to today's Israel because of radical Islam's recent attacks upon Israel, ought to make this easily realized.

 

[ewq1938]

And, during Armageddon, when the forces of the world joined together to completely destroy Israel for their good. Therefore, why Jesus have to descend with His angels from Heaven to defend Israel on that day? Even to the point to disintegrate the very enemy forces bodies from where they stand?

No one is defending Israel at Armageddon. Where does the AC rule from during the trib? Israel. The AC comes in peacefully. There is no war like invasion, and by the time of Armageddon the AC had ruled the world from Israel for 42 months.

 

[covenantee]

- all Israel will be saved - meaning, all the descendants of Jacob/Israel will be saved in the end.

Romans 9
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: