Revelation 16:19 The great city was divided into 3 parts...

[ewq1938]

Yes, you are right the same word Seismos is found in this passage, but because of the translation error the quoted passage should actually read in this manner,

The context is clear that an earthquake happened. In scripture seismos is always an earthquake except once it is a seismos in the sea which is still likely tied to an earthquake underwater.

 

[Jay Ross]

Your claim is false G-4579 is found in Revelation 16:18KJV

Blueletterbible.org

Rev 16:18 - And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, G4578 such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, G4578 and so great

When you actually understand what I am suggesting, then it might be time for us to have a conversation.

Goodbye

 

[quietthinker]

In Revelation 16:19, the city was divided into 3 parts. Does anyone have any thoughts on this and its symbolism?

I suppose we need to determine what the 'city' is/ represents?

 

[quietthinker]

Yes, there are many references depending on the particular topic. The greatest of which was expressed by Jesus, saying:

"Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected" (Luke 13:32).​

has that got something to do with the 'city'?

 

[quietthinker]

There will be a great earthquake unmatched in man's history on earth that will follow fault lines around the world in the crust of planet earth that will globally break the earth's surface into three segments.

Babylon the great represents man's rebellion at the tower of Babel, and also the spiritual kingdom of Satan and his angels that will have been cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9, and in Revelation 18, it says of Babylon is fallen and fallen.

I show that earthquake and the 7th vial in the lower right hand corner of my chart.





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Sorry Doug, I will dismiss your posts because the connections you make in my view have a unsubstantiated fantastical element.

 

[quietthinker]

There is no word "divided" there at all.

γίνομαι - 1096 Strong's Greek

Definition: to become, to come into being, to happen, to be made, to be done
Meaning: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.

We are talking about the New Jerusalem, which after the emergence of the city of Yahweh Shammah, will be in 3 places in Israel:

1. In historical Jerusalem
2. In the Third Temple 30 km south of Jerusalem, in the Judean Desert
3. In the city of Yahweh Shammah near today's Sderot

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Jerusalem?.....Check the context!

 

[Galgal]

Jerusalem?.....Check the context!

Yes, in Revelation Babylon is called the “great city” 6 times, and Jerusalem 2 times.

In chapter 16 there are "kings of the east" these are "the lost tribes of Israel." And there are "kings of the earth" these are the leaders of Christian denominations. These are opposite categories: those who follow Christ, and those who follow pastors and preachers. The former will go to the Kingdom of God, the latter will go to Armageddon.

So it is in 16:19. First it speaks of the New Jerusalem, which will manifest itself in three places on earth. Then it speaks of the collapse of pagan religions, the collapse of pagan Christianity, which serves this world.

 

[CTK]

I suppose we need to determine what the 'city' is/ represents?

Don't know if you have read my earlier response - #16.... but those are my thoughts.

 

[quietthinker]

Don't know if you have read my earlier response - #16.... but those are my thoughts.

thanks

 

[Davidpt]

What begins the great tribulation? And how long does it lasts ? What ends the great tribulation ?

It is all on my chart, lower left corner. The plagues of the seven vials will take place during the 1335 days.



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Here is one way you need to try and reason it then.


Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.


This vial is obviously poured out first and it obviously isn't going to be poured out on anyone until this is true first---the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

Though, Amils might disagree, no one can have the mark of the beast and worship his image until a beast rises out of the sea first and another out of the earth and that the 42 month reign of the beast begins(Revelation 13). Obviously, this 42 month reign is involving great tribulation. There's the start of your great tribulation, it involves the fulfilling of Revelation 13, for one.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


Obviously, as of this point in time not one single vial of wrath has been poured out yet. One reason why is because if any vials have been poured out, no one in their right mind would be saying Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? Obviously, the vials of wrath involve making war with the beast and those worshiping his image.

There is zero in all of Revelation 13 which involves an entire 42 months that gives the impression that any of the vials are being poured out at the time. This tells us the vials are after the 42 months come and go. This tells us the vials of wrath are after great tribulation, not during it nor prior to it.

It is impossible that any of the vials of wrath are being poured out before the day of the Lord begins. It is also impossible that the day of the Lord begins prior to great tribulation and involves great tribulation. The day of the Lord involves darkness, even if literal darkness is not meant, that does not matter. The point is that Matthew 24:29 places the time of darkness immediately after great tribulation, not before nor during it.

Even if none of the following is meaning in the literal sense--the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven(Matthew 24:29)---what would happen if something like that literally happened, though? It would cause darkness, obviously. Therefore, the imagery being used depicts darkness, exactly one of the things the day of the Lord involves according to some of the following passages.

Amos 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Acts 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Luke 21:25-26 sounds a lot like Acts 2:19 to me. And that Matthew 24:29 places the time of Luke 21:25-26 immediately after great tribulation.

I know, I get it, your charts are what is correct, not the Bible. We are to go by your charts not the Bible since you obviously place your charts above that of the Bible, and that your charts trump everything in the Bible, because no way can Douggg ever be wrong about any of these things, and the charts he makes proves it again and again and again, every single time. Except the idea is to try and agree with the Bible not trump it instead. As if the the Bible can be trumped to begin with.

 

[Douggg]

Obviously, as of this point in time not one single vial of wrath has been poured out yet. One reason why is because if any vials have been poured out, no one in their right mind would be saying Who is like unto the beast?

People saying "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? " is at the very start of the 42 months, because he will just have killed the two witnesses.

So there is the entire 42 months period which the 7 vial plagues can take place.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[Truth7t7]

When you actually understand what I am suggesting, then it might be time for us to have a conversation.

Goodbye

I've been traveling in space for years and haven't found your suggestion

Goodbye

 

[Jay Ross]

I've been traveling in space for years and haven't found your suggestion

Goodbye

Yea, I have noticed that you have been travelling in space for years ever since I started posting on this forum.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yea, I have noticed that you have been travelling in space for years ever since I started posting on this forum.

Still looking for your claims in my Holy Bible, none are found

Goodbye

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The earthquake will be literal and global to take place at the end of the 7 years - when the inhabitants of the earth globally will be in great rebellion. Babylon the great, the namesake, is symbolic of great rebellion against God.

9 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

You didn't answer the question. How can a literal earthquake occur in a symbolic city? It makes no sense. If the city Babylon is symbolic, which I agree that it is, then the earthquake must be symbolic as well.

 

[quietthinker]

You didn't answer the question. How can a literal earthquake occur in a symbolic city? It makes no sense. If the city Babylon is symbolic, which I agree that it is, then the earthquake must be symbolic as well.

Earthquake decoded = a shaking and breaking. It is not geological.
Evil will eventually collapse.

 

[Douggg]

You didn't answer the question. How can a literal earthquake occur in a symbolic city? It makes no sense. If the city Babylon is symbolic, which I agree that it is, then the earthquake must be symbolic as well.

Babylon represents rebellion against God. At the time when the 7th vial will be poured out, the entire world in following the beast-king, the false prophet, and Satan, will be in rebellion against God.

The earthquake is not symbolic, nor will be the great hailstone plague that takes place at the same time in verse 21.

 

[quietthinker]

Babylon represents rebellion against God. At the time when the 7th vial will be poured out, the entire world in following the beast-king, the false prophets, and Satan, will be in rebellion against God.

The earthquake is not symbolic, nor will be the great hailstone plague that takes place at the same time in verse 21.

Babylon = misrepresentation of God. This misrepresentation is the big lie (s) it has surrounded itself with and seduced the whole world. Exposure will bring it undone.
A system collapses when either it's adherents no longer support it and or, it is revealed as a fraud.

The scripture uses metaphors to describe that collapse.

 

[Davidpt]

You didn't answer the question. How can a literal earthquake occur in a symbolic city? It makes no sense. If the city Babylon is symbolic, which I agree that it is, then the earthquake must be symbolic as well.

If the earthquake is global where it affects the entire planet and that the city symbolizes those worshiping the beast globally, I don't see the problem with the earthquake being literal in that case. It doesn't matter that the city is not literal, what matters is that the people that make up the city are literal. Clearly, a literal earthquake can affect literal people no matter where they live if the earthquake is so great that it is global in scale. Do you seriously think God is incapable of causing an earthquake on this earth that can be felt throughout the entire planet?

Would you argue, for example, that since the city meant in Revelation 11:1-2 is not meaning a literal city geographically located somewhere, that this then means, since the city is not literal nothing literal can happen to anyone that this city symbolizes? For example. No one can literally be persecuted or literally killed by anyone since the city is not literal. Is that what we should believe? That's pretty much what appears to be your reasoning involving this earthquake in question, that since the city isn't literal then neither is the earthquake literal. Which then ignores that the people are literal and that literal earthquakes can affect literal people. Which also ignores that God is perfectly capable of shaking this entire planet, literally, as in the greatest earthquake this planet has ever experienced.

 

[Verily]

How does one city divide into three parts (and how would you know if and when it did) while all the rest of the cities of the nations just plain fall after such an earthquake.

Like, is it just the one city thats the spiritual one (that divides into three) but the rest of them not so much (these cities just literally fall) or are they spiritual too (and so spiritually falling)?