Revelation 13:17-18 (666)

[ewq1938]

Yes, it is in the text that the mortally wounded, but healed head is a person, a man.

Revelation 13;18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Speaking of the false prophet not anyone else.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

That is three individuals who speak, convincing the kings of the earth to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus and His armies of heaven.

A metaphor speaking does not mean it's a person. The beast is an empire that speaks like the UK, or China speaks.

 

[Douggg]

Speaking of the false prophet not anyone else.

No, the 666 is not the number of the false prophet's name. The false prophet makes the law that no one can buy or sell without having the mark of the beast's name, the beast's name, or the number of the beast's name.

Revelation 13:
16 And he [the false prophet] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

....the number of a man, not of a mountain, nor kingdom.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God’s plan to destroy the beast and the false prophet reflects His ultimate authority and justice. Despite the beast's (papal Rome / papacy) dominance and the awe it inspires—where it is said, "Who is like the beast, and who can make war against it?" (Revelation 13:4)—God alone will bring its reign to an end. Human hands will not overthrow this oppressive system; instead, the Lord Himself will act decisively, casting the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20). This demonstrates that no earthly power can rival God’s sovereignty, and even the mightiest empires are subject to His judgment. The beast will not be destroyed by man or its military powers.... but God will alone deal with him.

God alone will deal with him. I see that God did deal with him on the cross.

You voiced wanting my honest opinion even if you don’t agree. This is why I avoid all the counting and figuring and picking apart those passages. All of it being some man or woman giving of his/her interpretation of what is going to happen in the future. If the prophecy turns out to be wrong (not the prophecy itself wrong but how men use it) mens wrong interpretation, then that becomes what is false that is destroyed or dealt with by God. That is why I avoid claiming something as true by my interpretation because I’d hate to be spreading something false. I might not agree with you on when the Fire to destroy all things false began.

Can our passion for a topic like end-times, or our intense hunger to be right …blind us?

My husband and I were talking about this yesterday. He feels strongly that Jesus was and is not God….getting into debates with others on the topic of was Jesus Christ a man or God manifest? My take on it is “am I a hundred percent certain”? I’m not a hundred percent certain either way. I do think Jesus Christ came out from God and returned to God. I’m not a hundred percent about the Trinity either. Do I have to be? I don’t think so. What I do have to be certain of is God’s character and His attributes, I think. That is what first drew me to your thread on written on their forehead and and the number of the beast…and immediately after those who follow the Lamb having His name and the name of His Father written in their forehead and also asking what wisdom is being spoke of there? is the wisdom of God that which puffs up and blinds one or the wisdom that brings Light? To me that makes it just as important to pay attention to what are the attributes of God and how does what men say of those verses that contradicts those attributes? At least that helps with what to quickly buy into. Just paying attention to what are the attributes of God’s Wisdom? I get you may have it figured out with certainty but what if you are wrong? Are you a hundred percent certain?

 

[CTK]

God alone will deal with him. I see that God did deal with him on the cross.

You voiced wanting my honest opinion even if you don’t agree. This is why I avoid all the counting and figuring and picking apart those passages. All of it being some man or woman giving of his/her interpretation of what is going to happen in the future. If the prophecy turns out to be wrong (not the prophecy itself wrong but how men use it) mens wrong interpretation, then that becomes what is false that is destroyed or dealt with by God. That is why I avoid claiming something as true by my interpretation because I’d hate to be spreading something false. I might not agree with you on when the Fire to destroy all things false began.

Can our passion for a topic like end-times, or our intense hunger to be right …blind us?

My husband and I were talking about this yesterday. He feels strongly that Jesus was and is not God….getting into debates with others on the topic of was Jesus Christ a man or God manifest? My take on it is “am I a hundred percent certain”? I’m not a hundred percent certain either way. I do think Jesus Christ came out from God and returned to God. I’m not a hundred percent about the Trinity either. Do I have to be? I don’t think so. What I do have to be certain of is God’s character and His attributes, I think. That is what first drew me to your thread on written on their forehead and and the number of the beast…and immediately after those who follow the Lamb having His name and the name of His Father written in their forehead and also asking what wisdom is being spoke of there? is the wisdom of God that which puffs up and blinds one or the wisdom that brings Light? To me that makes it just as important to pay attention to what are the attributes of God and how does what men say of those verses that contradicts those attributes? At least that helps with what to quickly buy into. Just paying attention to what are the attributes of God’s Wisdom? I get you may have it figured out with certainty but what if you are wrong? Are you a hundred percent certain?

Very unusual for someone to express their true feelings about such important and intimate beliefs. You would probably be the only person that ever lived if you did not have doubts about God.

You mentioned you focus on God’s attributes … which are so many and He has put them on display for 6000 years now. He has mentioned in the Scriptures that He is holy (which no one on earth can possibly understand what that truly means - we can understand power rather easily, but not holiness- there is absolutely no holiness on the earth or outside of God! But He certainly has demonstrated and said that He cannot lie and He is love. - Jesus has also told us He is God. He is the “I am.” If Jesus is not God, then He lied to us and that would mean His attributes were flawed and He could not be trusted. Everything about Him would be a lie … this is just one of His attributes we can marvel at in His Word.

The trinity is impossible to understand.. we can try and put our words together to make sense of it but it is beyond our true comprehension. I look at it as God will make Himself known to us in 3 very specific and private ways- God, who is identified as the Father who no man can see or comprehend but is the ONLY God! He also is able to literally be with us through His Holy Spirit- again, we understand the concept of a spirit but no one can truly comprehend this. And of course He can make Himself known in the flesh as Jesus. All are real, all are incomprehensible, and all are ONE.

Understanding the trinity is incomprehensible and is not something that would keep anyone from salvation, but accepting and believing that Jesus is God and our Lord and Savior is a requirement to be saved.

It is impossible for us to truly understand God.. but He came to the earth in a physical form of man to show us who He is, what He is, and just how real He is. No one has the attributes of God but Jesus. Study His 3.5 years of His ministry and you will come away with only one conclusion - There is only one God and His name is Jesus.

And you are so right, you can find 100 different interpretations from 100 people on a particular subject in the Scriptures. This too is purposeful- God wants us to read, study and try to interpret these 66 books so we can get to know Him and try and understand Him —- His attributes are all over the Scriptures… they paint an unbelievable portrait of Him —- you just cannot miss Him— that is, unless you want to!

 

[ewq1938]

No, the 666 is not the number of the false prophet's name. The false prophet makes the law that no one can buy or sell without having the mark of the beast's name, the beast's name, or the number of the beast's name.

He is the beast king. It's his number and name.

Revelation 13:
16 And he [the false prophet] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

....the number of a man, not of a mountain, nor kingdom.

The FP is the only man that's called a beast. The other beast is that man's kingdom that he rules with no side kick and no one above him.

 

[Douggg]

The FP is the only man that's called a beast. The other beast is that man's kingdom that he rules with no side kick and no one above him.

The second beast is called false prophet.

The mortally wounded but healed head of the first beast is the beast-king.

 

[ewq1938]

The second beast is called false prophet.

Yes, and he is the beast king AKA the AC and the 666 is the number of his name.

The mortally wounded but healed head of the first beast is the beast-king.

The heads are areas of land not people.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, and he is the beast king AKA the AC and the 666 is the number of his name.

The two arch villains (humans) of the end times will be...

1. the Revelation 13:11, beast out of the earth - the false prophet.

2. the Revelation 13:3 mortally wounded, but healed head - the beast-king

a. first, as the little horn
b. then, as the little horn who becomes the prince that shall come
c. then, as the little horn who becomes the Antichrist
d. then, as the little horn who becomes the revealed man of sin
e. then, as the little horn who becomes the beast-king

The heads are areas of land not people.

No, not mountains, nor areas of land. But 7 kings.

The seven heads on the beast out of the sea in Revelation 13:1 are 7 kings.

The same seven heads on the red dragon in Revelation 12:3 are 7 kings having crowns.

What it means is that at the beginning of the 7 years which is in Revelation 12, as Revelation 12:6 + Revelation 12:14, king 7 will have come to power - thus completing the prophecy of the 7 kings.

In Revelation 13, right before the 42 months start, king 7 will have been killed. Thus, no longer crowns on the heads in Revelation 13. King 7 having been killed is the mortally wounded, but healed head... thus becoming king 8 the beast king of Revelation 17:11.

 

[ewq1938]

The two arch villains (humans) of the end times will be...

1. the Revelation 13:11, beast out of the earth - the false prophet.

Nope, there is just one human between those two. A human and his kingdom exactly like the little horn and his kingdom. Daniel never wrote of two humans in the final 42 months nor did any biblical writer.

 

[Douggg]

Nope, there is just one human between those two. A human and his kingdom exactly like the little horn and his kingdom. Daniel never wrote of two humans in the final 42 months nor did any biblical writer.

The false prophet is not found in any other book of the bible, but Revelation.

The two arch villains (humans) of the end times will be...

1. the Revelation 13:11, beast out of the earth - the false prophet.

2. the Revelation 13:3 mortally wounded, but healed head - the beast-king

a. first, as the little horn
b. then, as the little horn who becomes the prince that shall come
c. then, as the little horn who becomes the Antichrist
d. then, as the little horn who becomes the revealed man of sin
e. then, as the little horn who becomes the beast-king
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Revelation 16:13

out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet

 

[ewq1938]

The false prophet is not found in any other book of the bible, but Revelation.

The two arch villains (humans) of the end times will be...

No book of the bible ever speaks of two arch endtimes villains. Quote any scripture outside of the disputed ones in Rev.

1. the Revelation 13:11, beast out of the earth - the false prophet.

2. the Revelation 13:3 mortally wounded, but healed head - the beast-king

a. first, as the little horn

The little horn has no side kick, one person not two!

b. then, as the little horn who becomes the prince that shall come

The Prince has no side kick, one person not two!

c. then, as the little horn who becomes the Antichrist

The AC has no side kick, one person not two!

d. then, as the little horn who becomes the revealed man of sin

The man of sin has no side kick, one person not two!

e. then, as the little horn who becomes the beast-king

The beast king is the FP. He has no side kick (and no man above him) , one person not two!

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Revelation 16:13

out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet

Fallen angel, empire, man.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You guys are funny.

 

[Douggg]

No book of the bible ever speaks of two arch endtimes villains. Quote any scripture outside of the disputed ones in Rev.





The little horn has no side kick, one person not two!


The Prince has no side kick, one person not two!



The AC has no side kick, one person not two!



The man of sin has no side kick, one person not two!



The beast king is the FP. He has no side kick (and no man above him) , one person not two!


Fallen angel, empire, man.

Revelation 19:

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Two men cast alive into the lake of fire.

 

[Truth7t7]

No book of the bible ever speaks of two arch endtimes villains. Quote any scripture outside of the disputed ones in Rev.

Yes the Bible does as Douggg has shown you above in Revelation 19:19-20, (The Beast) and (False Prophet) will be individual human men that will be cast "Living" into the future lake of fire

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The AC has no side kick, one person not two!

The AC is (The Beast) seen in Revelation 19:19-20 with the (False Prophet)

The man of sin has no side kick, one person not two!

The Man of Sin is (The Beast) seen in Revelation 19:19-20 with the (False Prophet)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Revelation 16:13

out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet

Interesting is “out of the mouth”; if you do a search on “out of the mouth” in the Word, "out of the mouth" is significant.
I wrote down a lot of verses that speak on "out of the mouth" but there are too many to post the whole passages. I would like to highlight a few that stand out to me. Of Course, Deuteronomy 8:3 'that he might know man does not live by bread only, but by every word that proceeds "out of the mouth" of the LORD does man live.' Which Jesus Christ references the same in Mattew 4:4. interesting to note is that in the OT the LORD says he fed them manna which they knew not, nor their seed, nor their seeds seed knew.
considering how the LORD is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow... they are still being told the same thing in the NT "Men and brothers, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you fearing God, to you is the word of the salvation sent. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him."

lots of passages speaking on "out of the mouth" Isaiah 59:21, Lamentations, Matthew 15:11 "Hear and understand, it is not that which goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but that which comes out of the mouth.

if we make it only future tense as something yet to come... have we missed "I come as a thief, watch and kept your garments, least they walk naked and they see their shame. can we identify a thief? why would Jesus Christ warn He comes as a thief yet (warn)to protect them from a thief taking their garments, so they walk not naked, and they not see their shame. Does Christ oppose Himself? Paul spoke "you took joyfully the spoiling of your goods' having a greater Hope. Goods spoiled? Paul also spoke on that he might be found in Christ not having his own righteousness but the righteousness that comes from God. "That they walk" poses a lot of questions about making it future tense same as in the OT when the men were thrown in the fire heated seven times greater; and when they looked, they saw men walking in the fire unharmed, unbound and another with them.

continued in the next post... for the final observation concerning "out of the mouth" which in my opinion is the one that stands out the most this morning. to me it's helpful and hopeful.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We speak on Revelation 16:13 as bad news, but what if it is the good news?
Revelation 16:13

out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet

Amos 3:12 Thus says the LORD; As the Shepherd takes "out of the mouth" of the lion two legs, or a piece of an ear, so shall the children be taken out that dwell in Samaria in the corner of a bed; and in Damascus in a couch (we see it's not literally those in Samaria in a corner of a literal bed but its Spiritual?) Hear you, and testify in the house of Jacob, says the LORD God, the God of hosts. .... "I" will visit says the LORD and the great houses shall have an end, says the LORD.

I never noticed how bold what Paul says is "I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion." 2 Timothy 4:17.
we all who have been rescued out of the darkness, as a light that shines unto those who set in darkness. in the Passage of Revelation 16:13 which immediately speaks on His coming as a thief. Out of the mouth comes all these evil works and devilish works of murder, slander, false things that defile. Yet PAUL testifies that he was taken out of the mouth of the lion. Who calls Him a thief that comes in “isn’t this a brand plucked out of the fire? Remove the soiled garment, I will provide what clothing(the new man) he will put on. (OT) if we also have been taken *removed" out from darkness, taken or plucked out of
out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan,
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet
...oh God deliver us from evil (for Your Namesake) is this not good news? again Paul taught by "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" says boldly "I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion." is this not what the LORD said He will do? As the Shepherd takes "out of the mouth" of the lion two legs, or a piece of an ear, so shall the children be taken out that dwell in Samaria in the corner of a bed; and in Damascus in a couch Hear you, and testify in the house of Jacob, says the LORD God, the God of hosts. .... "I" will visit says the LORD and the great houses shall have an end, says the LORD.

when in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, "I come as a thief"
out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet
...was Saul/Paul taken "out from the mouth" to testify to the house of Jacob, and to all the great houses that they will have an end? how bold is Paul's testimony of "He delivered me from the mouth of the lion." is Amos 3:12 insignificant, random? or revealing of what Saul was removed out of the mouth of the lion... where the Faith I once destroyed, I now preach.
Goodnews, Goodnews, Goodnews is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

We all have been in the mouth of falsehood
out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet
…it is for His Glory, He delivers us out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the devil, and out of the mouth of the false prophets…to put an end to the great houses. It is the Lord who rescues us out of darkness. For a testimony of His greatness, and goodness of Him who delivers us from evil.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes the Bible does as Douggg has shown you above in Revelation 19:19-20, (The Beast) and (False Prophet) will be individual human men that will be cast "Living" into the future lake of fire

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The AC is (The Beast) seen in Revelation 19:19-20 with the (False Prophet)

The Man of Sin is (The Beast) seen in Revelation 19:19-20 with the (False Prophet)

The ten horned beast is a kingdom just as it is in Daniel 7. No biblical writer ever spoke of the AC endtimes person as having a sidekick, not one writer did.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 19:

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Two men cast alive into the lake of fire.

No, one man and his kingdom just like in Daniel 7. No biblical text speaks of two people as the endtimes leaders of the world.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 19:

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Two men cast alive into the lake of fire.

Nope. The beast is a neuter noun which means it is an IT. Prophet is a male noun so he is a HE. This is where your lack of Greek grammar and language education is failing you. The english translation of HE and HIM for a genderless beast is not evidence.

 

[Truth7t7]

The ten horned beast is a kingdom just as it is in Daniel 7. No biblical writer ever spoke of the AC endtimes person as having a sidekick, not one writer did.

Sorry Buddy (The Beast) and (The False Prophet) will be literal living human men upon this earth, they will be cast alive into the lake of fire as scripture below clearly teaches

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.