Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[JesusIsFaithful]

Finally, you spoke some truth.

Correction was needed when believers now think Sunday is the sabbath day. It is not. That would be exchanging the commandment from Saturday to Sunday for keeping that day a holy day and it is not taught either way in any epistle to the churches in the New Testament nor reminded to keep.

If you check Acts 11:27-30 & Romans 15:25-28 you will see that there was a great famine that especially caused hardship for the brethren in Judea and Jerusalem. Paul requested offerings from the Galatian, Corinthian, Macedonian, and Achaian brethren. He told them to gather the goods (food, clothing, etc.) prior to his arrival. He did not want to have to wait for the offerings to be gathered when he came. He then took all the relief items to Jerusalem to disperse to the needy saints. There is nothing in these verses to indicate a typical Sunday collection. It was a one time special collection because of the famine. And it was done on Sunday because of the tremendous amount of work involved in loading all the goods, something they would never have done on Sabbath.

I understand per the reading why you see the gathering only for that purpose, but Paul did not want any special collection done for him as all churches were supposed to set aside a portion from the bounty collected at church service for.

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Yes, they were going to give their liberality to Jerusalem, BUT Paul was talking about the order for the collection of the saints so that there will be no impromptu collection done for him.

He touched on that order again in giving to the church as the portion of the bounty was for the support of the saints in the ministry so that no special collection would be needed to avoid the appearance of covetous in seeking support from church members.

2 Corinthians 9:1For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:2 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many. 3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready: 4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting. 5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

We do not keep the Sabbath to show our love. We show our love by keeping the Sabbath. We keep the Sabbath because we love YHWH with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and we love our neighbors. We also love Yeshua and obey him by endeavoring to sin no more.

I love the Lord Jesus Christ because I am blameless for profaning the sabbath day because I recognize Him as Lord of the sabbath as He is able to make me stand by His righteousness alone apart from the law. That is my faith in Him.

 

[pia]

I have already said in several posts that if we sin we can confess, repent and be forgiven.

Isn't that kind of like putting Jesus back up on the cross every time we say we sin and need forgiveness ? We are told He died ONCE for all......Simply believing Him cleanses us..We have been told already that He is faithful and just to forgive us, as that was one of the main points of all that He ended up doing for mankind and for our Father.
"Our sins are as far from us, as the east is from the west.........." He will remember our sins no more"...There are many other things written, both for and against these statements......I do believe we only begin to realize the extent of the Love offered us, when we allow Him to actually reveal it, and that takes brokenness and humbleness....People tend to fight that and of course in this world of academia being everything ( other than money) well read people always think they can speak for God better than others.......Jesus said to Love, not to study.......In response to what you said about stealing....If you have love for a person you wouldn't steal from them, and it is a law in this world, which we do our best to follow...His commandment was for us to love.........So if we are to do as He said, then let love be your way...

 

[gadar perets]

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Yes, they were going to give their liberality to Jerusalem, BUT Paul was talking about the order for the collection of the saints so that there will be no impromptu collection done for him.

The verse does not mention collections for Paul, but "for the saints".

He touched on that order again in giving to the church as the portion of the bounty was for the support of the saints in the ministry so that no special collection would be needed to avoid the appearance of covetous in seeking support from church members.

2 Corinthians 9:1For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:2 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many. 3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready: 4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting. 5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

He brought up bounty and covetousness meaning he wanted them to give liberally to the saints in need out of a generous heart rather than sparingly out of a covetous heart.

Even if it were true (which it is not) that 1 Corinthians 16:1 proves the beginning of traditional Sunday worship services where collections are made, it would simply prove the believers were gathering every Sunday. It does not prove the 7th day Sabbath was abolished. IF what I just wrote was true (which it is not), they would have been keeping both days as special. There is nothing in the NT suggesting the Sabbath is abolished, but there are verses in the OT suggesting the Sabbath will continue in the new heavens and new earth.

I love the Lord Jesus Christ because I am blameless for profaning the sabbath day because I recognize Him as Lord of the sabbath as He is able to make me stand by His righteousness alone apart from the law. That is my faith in Him.

Is he able to make you stand if you practice adultery or stealing as a lifestyle? No. That is what many are doing with the Sabbath; polluting it as a lifestyle. However, YHWH can extend grace, mercy and forgiveness for their sin because they are doing it in ignorance and Yeshua's blood covers sins of ignorance. Satan has you all hoodwinked, but the time will come when the Sabbath and Torah will be vindicated.

 

[gadar perets]

Isn't that kind of like putting Jesus back up on the cross every time we say we sin and need forgiveness ?

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.​

We are told He died ONCE for all......Simply believing Him cleanses us..We have been told already that He is faithful and just to forgive us, as that was one of the main points of all that He ended up doing for mankind and for our Father.
"Our sins are as far from us, as the east is from the west.........." He will remember our sins no more"...There are many other things written, both for and against these statements......

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;​

Sins committed after becoming believers need to be confessed and repented of and asked forgiveness for. I don't know if this matters to you, but here is a quote by Billy Graham;

"If we have truly given our lives to Christ, we are now God’s children – and nothing will ever change that fact. But when we sin, our fellowship with God is broken – and that’s why we need to confess our sins to Him and seek His forgiveness without delay. The Bible says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). Make this your practice every day."​

I do believe we only begin to realize the extent of the Love offered us, when we allow Him to actually reveal it, and that takes brokenness and humbleness....People tend to fight that and of course in this world of academia being everything ( other than money) well read people always think they can speak for God better than others.......Jesus said to Love, not to study.......In response to what you said about stealing....If you have love for a person you wouldn't steal from them, and it is a law in this world, which we do our best to follow...His commandment was for us to love.........So if we are to do as He said, then let love be your way...

I agree about love. It is love that prevents me from making anyone or any animal work on Sabbath. You don't look at that as love because you don't believe the Sabbath is for today. That has NOT been proven in this thread.

 

[Jun2u]

God did not change the Seventh day sabbath day to Sunday sabbath at all. Believers worshiped that day because that was the Lord's Day of triumph over death for He has risen on that day.

God surely did change the Seventh Day Sabbath to Sunday Sabbath. This change can’t be seen with our natural eyes. God said through Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:14:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

When we search the Bible we find that the term “the Lord’s Day” always have in view the return of Christ or Judgment Day. It is man who coined the term, the Lord’s Day as pertains to Sunday Worship.

Here is what many Christians can’t “see.” Is Matthew 28:1 written in the Scripture? Most certainly! Did Matthew write verse 28:1 on his own or God as the Holy Spirit moved him (2 Peter 1:21)? Most definitely!

Then why is it so difficult to read or understand Matthew 28:1? What part of “at the end of the Sabbaths, as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths” can’t be understood?

I'm reminded of an old song titled “Aquarius” the chorus reads: “It is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, Age of Aquarius...” What is the writer of the song seem to portray? Does he not have in view a new age of Aquarius coming to view on the horizon?

Likewise, I believe God has the same thought/view of the Sabbaths which can only point to the Seventh Day Sabbaths which is ending, as it also is the dominant Sabbaths in view in the Old Testament, as well as the new Sabbaths which is the Sunday Sabbaths in the New Testament.

God warns us that if we preach another Jesus than that of the Bible, let him be accursed. Same goes for the true Gospel.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jun2u]

Correction was needed when believers now think Sunday is the sabbath day. It is not. That would be exchanging the commandment from Saturday to Sunday for keeping that day a holy day and it is not taught either way in any epistle to the churches in the New Testament nor reminded to keep.

This respond was copied and pasted from my post #558.
I don’t believe anyone here is claiming that God removed the sanctity of the 4th Commandment. The command to keep it holy still remains, except God changed the day from the 7th to the 1st.

For example, God told Jonah to go to the city of Nineveh that if they did not repent of their evil ways He will destroy the city in forty days. The people repented and God turned away from the thing He was going to do. See, from time to time, God’s program changes, just as He said also He will not destroy this world with water ever again, yet we know He will destroy it by fire on the last day.

To God Be The Glory

 

[mjrhealth]

Correct, as long as a person loves, no law is needed. The problem is, even loving people fail to love at times. No one loves perfectly. So when we fail to love, there are laws that take affect. Love fulfills the law, but failing to love breaks the law. What you need to do is show there are absolutely no laws for believers in Messiah Yeshua. Even Peter failed to love and Paul had to correct him. Ananias and Sapphira failed to love. This is why we are supposed to have "church discipline". It took affect in 1 Corinthians 5.

Yes all about condemnation, teh devil loves it. Church discipline, liek boarding school, makes you feel guilty so you maust remain a slave to men. Like Pharaoh, and what did God say to that,

Exo_8:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

But still even today, the pharaohs of this worlds will not let Gods people go so the can serve Him, they would rather men serve them,

Luk_11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

Just like Pharaoh and,

Mat_23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Some things just dont change,

we are supposed to be servants of God, you are making us slaves to men and his religions.

 

[mjrhealth]

God surely did change the Seventh Day Sabbath to Sunday Sabbath. This change can’t be seen with our natural eyes. God said through Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:14:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

When we search the Bible we find that the term “the Lord’s Day” always have in view the return of Christ or Judgment Day. It is man who coined the term, the Lord’s Day as pertains to Sunday Worship.

Here is what many Christians can’t “see.” Is Matthew 28:1 written in the Scripture? Most certainly! Did Matthew write verse 28:1 on his own or God as the Holy Spirit moved him (2 Peter 1:21)? Most definitely!

Then why is it so difficult to read or understand Matthew 28:1? What part of “at the end of the Sabbaths, as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths” can’t be understood?

I'm reminded of an old song titled “Aquarius” the chorus reads: “It is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, Age of Aquarius...” What is the writer of the song seem to portray? Does he not have in view a new age of Aquarius coming to view on the horizon?

Likewise, I believe God has the same thought/view of the Sabbaths which can only point to the Seventh Day Sabbaths which is ending, as it also is the dominant Sabbaths in view in the Old Testament, as well as the new Sabbaths which is the Sunday Sabbaths in the New Testament.

God warns us that if we preach another Jesus than that of the Bible, let him be accursed. Same goes for the true Gospel.

To God Be The Glory

Never did, God doesnt change, just religious speak for "my religion says"

 

[gadar perets]

God surely did change the Seventh Day Sabbath to Sunday Sabbath. This change can’t be seen with our natural eyes. God said through Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:14:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

How convenient. You quote this verse because you can't find any clear command in Scripture to support your false teaching that the 7th day Sabbath was changed to Sunday.

When we search the Bible we find that the term “the Lord’s Day” always have in view the return of Christ or Judgment Day. It is man who coined the term, the Lord’s Day as pertains to Sunday Worship.

Are you referring to the "Day of YHWH"? Where is your "spiritual discernment"?

Here is what many Christians can’t “see.” Is Matthew 28:1 written in the Scripture? Most certainly! Did Matthew write verse 28:1 on his own or God as the Holy Spirit moved him (2 Peter 1:21)? Most definitely!

That "many" Christians can't see?? It is more like "all" except for you. Are you the only one in the world able to see Matthew 28:1 as you do?

God warns us that if we preach another Jesus than that of the Bible, let him be accursed. Same goes for the true Gospel.

Are you now saying all who don't accept your view of Matthew 28:1 are accursed?

 

[gadar perets]

Yes all about condemnation, teh devil loves it. Church discipline, liek boarding school, makes you feel guilty so you maust remain a slave to men. Like Pharaoh, and what did God say to that,

Exo_8:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

But still even today, the pharaohs of this worlds will not let Gods people go so the can serve Him, they would rather men serve them,

Luk_11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

Just like Pharaoh and,

Mat_23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Some things just dont change,

we are supposed to be servants of God, you are making us slaves to men and his religions.

More false accusations by a man who has no Scripture to support his lawlessness.

Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' NASB
​

What??!!! Believers working miracles and who are supposed to not live by any laws, based on your interpretation of the NT, are cast out? Beware.

 

[mjrhealth]

More false accusations by a man who has no Scripture to support his lawlessness.

Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' NASB
​

What??!!! Believers working miracles and who are supposed to not live by any laws, based on your interpretation of the NT, are cast out? Beware.

So you know that one , remember it. Was it not you that said I wasnt working enough. Teh law condemns people that is all it does. Its all teh flesh, trying to please God, no more.

Joh_14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

For man supposedly doing Gods will you certainly dont have much peace.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

But you wil carry that burden yourself.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

The verse does not mention collections for Paul, but "for the saints".

It mentioned Paul's order to all the churches which is inconsistent when applying it to the church's liberality in giving the bounty to Jerusalem.

He brought up bounty and covetousness meaning he wanted them to give liberally to the saints in need out of a generous heart rather than sparingly out of a covetous heart.

The reason I referenced 2 Corinthians was to show what that order was, which then by going back to 1 Corinthians 16, you may see that the order for the collection for the saints ( those in ministry outreach as 2 Corinthians 9th chapter explains ) was setting a portion aside from the bounty collected for the gathering for the saints in ministry.

It cannot be a liberality of that church to give to Jerusalem if it was an order. The liberality was the bounty collected and what the church wanted to give to Jerusalem since 2 Corinthians 9th chapter specified the giver wanting to give and not having to give in God raising up cheerful givers for that bounty to come about. Then whatever collection of the bounty was for as the bounty was for the church to give for their liberality ( as their liberality was not always for Jerusalem when it was at the time of Paul's writing when there was a famine ) but for spreading among the members of the church & for the poor in need among them; the church had agreed to the order to set a portion of the bounty aside for the support for the saints in outward ministry.

If you note in 1 Corinthians 16, Paul wasn't sure he would be going with those saints to bring their liberality ( not necessarily the whole bounty ) to Jerusalem as he did mentioned that he may winter there from which the order to provide for him and other saints in the ministry would come in handy.

Indeed, earlier in 1 Corinthians 9th chapter, Paul did declare he would preach the gospel without charge after contending why the church should support the saints in the ministry as within the church as well as those in missionary outreach outside the church.

So I believe you are applying the order for the collection FOR the saints wrongly towards their "liberality" wince the church was willing to give from the bounty collected for Jerusalem because then, their liberality would be contrary if their giving to Jerusalem was an order.

Even if it were true (which it is not) that 1 Corinthians 16:1 proves the beginning of traditional Sunday worship services where collections are made, it would simply prove the believers were gathering every Sunday. It does not prove the 7th day Sabbath was abolished. IF what I just wrote was true (which it is not), they would have been keeping both days as special. There is nothing in the NT suggesting the Sabbath is abolished, but there are verses in the OT suggesting the Sabbath will continue in the new heavens and new earth.

Every church service has a collection given. In Acts, when a community of new believers all spoke with one accord when after having received the Holy Ghost, it was then that they gave and shared everything so that no new believer lacked anything. This was the purpose for the bounty collected from those willing to give. This was the purpose for the order that the church agreed to in setting aside a portion of the bounty collected each church service so that there will be no gatherings when Paul or any saint in the ministry come for a visit or be in need of provision for their next missionary outreach. That way the church provides to avoid the church and the missionary looking to each member of the congregation to provide, thus giving them a compelling reason to give; a necessity which then would be hard to avoid the appearance of covetousness.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

SO Paul's order to all the churches for the collection FOR the saints and bringing the church's liberality to Jerusalem are two different subjects, and why such gatherings was done on Sunday, the Lord's Day, because He had risen on that day.

Is he able to make you stand if you practice adultery or stealing as a lifestyle? No. That is what many are doing with the Sabbath; polluting it as a lifestyle. However, YHWH can extend grace, mercy and forgiveness for their sin because they are doing it in ignorance and Yeshua's blood covers sins of ignorance. Satan has you all hoodwinked, but the time will come when the Sabbath and Torah will be vindicated.

You are not seeing why He is Lord of the sabbath. He is not Lord of adultery. He is not Lord of murder. He is Lord of the Sabbath for a reason. Is not all those other ten commandments are what Jews were NOT to do? But keeping the sabbath day is an ongoing thing. Jesus gives them rest from that in becoming His people in obtaining righteousness by the law when they could not keep the commandments under the Old Covenant to be saved.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

God surely did change the Seventh Day Sabbath to Sunday Sabbath. This change can’t be seen with our natural eyes. God said through Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:14:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

When we search the Bible we find that the term “the Lord’s Day” always have in view the return of Christ or Judgment Day. It is man who coined the term, the Lord’s Day as pertains to Sunday Worship.

Here is what many Christians can’t “see.” Is Matthew 28:1 written in the Scripture? Most certainly! Did Matthew write verse 28:1 on his own or God as the Holy Spirit moved him (2 Peter 1:21)? Most definitely!

Then why is it so difficult to read or understand Matthew 28:1? What part of “at the end of the Sabbaths, as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths” can’t be understood?

I'm reminded of an old song titled “Aquarius” the chorus reads: “It is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, Age of Aquarius...” What is the writer of the song seem to portray? Does he not have in view a new age of Aquarius coming to view on the horizon?

Likewise, I believe God has the same thought/view of the Sabbaths which can only point to the Seventh Day Sabbaths which is ending, as it also is the dominant Sabbaths in view in the Old Testament, as well as the new Sabbaths which is the Sunday Sabbaths in the New Testament.

God warns us that if we preach another Jesus than that of the Bible, let him be accursed. Same goes for the true Gospel.

To God Be The Glory

Are you judging saved believers for not keeping Sunday holy as sabbath keepers are judging christians for not keeping Saturday holy? I mean, what is the point for exchanging which day of the week is the sabbath?

If Sunday was the new sabbath then Paul would not have written this about not judging any man in how he regards a day or how he not regards a day.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

So Sunday is not the new sabbath. It is the day believers as an assembly, wanted to honor and glorify the Lord in fellowship on.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I am hoping you are not regarding Sunday as the new sabbath, for then it would have been taught as such, but Paul's words says it is not so.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

This respond was copied and pasted from my post #558.
I don’t believe anyone here is claiming that God removed the sanctity of the 4th Commandment. The command to keep it holy still remains, except God changed the day from the 7th to the 1st.

For example, God told Jonah to go to the city of Nineveh that if they did not repent of their evil ways He will destroy the city in forty days. The people repented and God turned away from the thing He was going to do. See, from time to time, God’s program changes, just as He said also He will not destroy this world with water ever again, yet we know He will destroy it by fire on the last day.

To God Be The Glory

Okay. So you are saying the same thing as the sabbath day keepers are saying but you want Sunday to be the day that christians are to keep or they be considered as sinning.

Well, do address post #653 above with the two scriptural references for why we are not to judge any believer or man for how he regards a day or not regard a day. I'll repeat the references below.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So Sunday can not be the new sabbath. It is the day believers as an assembly, wanted to honor and glorify the Lord in fellowship on, because He had risen on that day of the week.

Matthew 28:1In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

[gadar perets]

So you know that one , remember it. Was it not you that said I wasnt working enough.

That was in response to you implying that you don't work at all.

Teh law condemns people that is all it does.

I guess you never read this;

Psa 19:7 The law of YHWH is perfect, restoring the soul; The testimony of YHWH is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The precepts of YHWH are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of YHWH is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of YHWH is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of YHWH are true; they are righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb.​

It is sad that all you can see is a law that condemns.

Joh_14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

For man supposedly doing Gods will you certainly dont have much peace.

How do you know I don't have much peace? The same way you misread Scripture, you misread people.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

But you wil carry that burden yourself.

Yeshua bears my burdens. He gives me a spiritual rest for my soul and he is the Lord of the Sabbath that gives me my physical rest.

 

[Jun2u]

How convenient. You quote this verse because you can't find any clear command in Scripture to support your false teaching that the 7th day Sabbath was changed to Sunday.

I know you can’t see it, nor understand it, and is spiritually blind to it, but I did give you Matthew 28:1 and Acts 13:42, 44. And, these are not my words but God’s. It is not only a matter of understanding what these scriptures are saying, they must also be obeyed.

That "many" Christians can't see?? It is more like "all" except for you. Are you the only one in the world able to see Matthew 28:1 as you do?

I assure you there are many, many other children of God who believes Matthew 28 as I do.

Are you now saying all who don't accept your view of Matthew 28:1 are accursed?

Yes, most definitely and it is not I but Paul (Galatians 1:8-9)! Matthew 28:1 is a command of God and must be obeyed! Of course, if you or anyone does not obey, just look to the story of Adam and Eve.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jun2u]

Are you judging saved believers for not keeping Sunday holy as sabbath keepers are judging christians for not keeping Saturday holy?

I suggest you read John 7:23-24.

I mean, what is the point for exchanging which day of the week is the sabbath?

God, although is Sovereign, does not do things nonchalantly. He does everything with a purpose and does it perfectly.

If Sunday was the new sabbath then Paul would not have written this about not judging any man in how he regards a day or how he not regards a day.

Romans 14:4-8 is self-explanatory. It is NOT, however, is speaking about the Sabbath. I think you have in mind Colossians 2:16-17, but here, the Sabbath is but a shadow and the reality is Christ.

So Sunday is not the new sabbath. It is the day believers as an assembly, wanted to honor and glorify the Lord in fellowship on.

1 John 1:3 reads:
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Can a believer alone have fellowship with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ outside of the church? Most certainly!

I am hoping you are not regarding Sunday as the new sabbath, for then it would have been taught as such, but Paul's words says it is not so.

Sunday, according to Matthew 28:1 has been designated by God to be the worship day and assembly of the church in the New Testament.

Yes, I am regarding (as well as God) that Sunday is the new Sabbath for the New Testament Believers. You can’t get around Matthew 28 and Acts 13:42,44.

To God Be The Glory

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

all churches were supposed to set aside a portion from the bounty collected at church service for

Direct contradiction and opposite of what is really WRITTEN, sorry... rejectable with due disrespect.

 

[Truth]

What laws, God hadnt written them yet, have you not read

Have you any understanding? When Abraham walked with God, It was Abraham and God> One on One, Right. Think about this God would have instructed Abraham with His Law, So when Isaac received the Extension of the Covenant, God Said Because your Father Abraham Obeyed My Voice and Kept My Charge, My Commandments, My Statutes, AND My Laws-[Genesis 26-5] So the Covenant was Passed on to Isaac> here again Isaac and God, One on One, don't you think that God instructed Isaac, just as He instructed Abraham, then the Covenant was passed on to Jacob, once again Jacob and God, One on One, get my point? Let us go back the Noah, when Noah exited the Ark Noah did Sacrifice Right, Noah sacrificed CLEAN animals, What there was some kind of understanding about clean and unclean animals, Go Figure! there was knowledge about Kosher so to speak, long before Sinai! When God walked with the Patriarchs, there was no need to have anything written down, BUT when they came out of Egypt, it was no longer one on one, IT was a Nation of people That God had to Instruct, Thus the Commandment's the Statute's and the Law were Codified for the Generation's to come, this is not my opinion, God said that Abraham kept all the above.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

that there be no gatherings when I come.

'gatherings' is a wrong word. "that there be no COLLECTIONS [logeiai] when I come". A 'gathering' means a 'a gathering-together' of believers.