Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[Triumph1300]

There is no telling what a Sabbath breaker will lose come judgment day, but I don't think salvation will be lost.

Ok, so you'r not sure about it at all.
It's just a wild guess?

Is it ok for you to post messages on saturday on this forum?

 

[Truth]

You seem to be confusing the "saints" of Matthew 27:52 with NT saints. The firstfruits of the resurrection are NT saints represented by wheat (Leviticus 23:15-17). The "saints" of Matthew 27:52 were OT saints represented by the firstfruits of the barley harvest as was Yeshua (Leviticus 23:10). When Yeshua resurrected, there were no saints in the ground that were "in Messiah" and needed resurrecting.

OK!! then when He Arose, They Arose, and were seen by Many in the City. If they were resurrected and seen by many, what happened to them, I Agree that He was of the Barley Harvest, So were these that arose part of the Same, and yes they were OT Saints, I have reread my post and I do not see where I declared they were NT Saints, all I can say is that you must have misunderstood, and that's OK !

 

[mjrhealth]

Too bad for you. You lose out on one of our Creator's greatest blessings.

Christ is the greatest blessing and His Spirit His second as that marks us as His children, Kepping teh sabbath just makes you religious.

Act_15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Thats you.

 

[mjrhealth]

It is our TRANSGRESSIONS of the Law that was against us.

Joh_16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh_16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

That is what is judging you, because you dont believe, this bit

Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

This is where you are at, holding onto teh old and not running with teh new, it all happened at Pentecost.

 

[mjrhealth]

The death penalty existed as long as Israel was a theocracy. YHWH will take vengeance on sinners in His timing (Hebrews 10:30-31).

As I said, I dont see you putting anyone to death, it is His commandment... Th israelites stoned peopel, do you have a collection.

 

[Truth]

Ok, so you'r not sure about it at all.
It's just a wild guess?

Is it ok for you to post messages on saturday on this forum?

Hope you do not mind if I wade in on this, When reading the Gospels where did Our Savior Spend His Sabbath's, Preaching and Teaching in the Synagogues, the Sabbath is a Day set aside to Admonish the God of Israel, sharing in His word with believers and non-believers alike. Please do not be confused with Orthodox Judaism, they think that any thing like tearing toilet paper is breaking the Sabbath. We are to be about our Saviors Business, Work is Work, Expressing the Word is a Delight!

 

[gadar perets]

Ok, so you'r not sure about it at all.
It's just a wild guess?

Is it ok for you to post messages on saturday on this forum?

Does anyone know what will happen come judgment day? Yes, I could only guess, but keeping the Sabbath holy is not a guess. It is truth in obedience to our Creator's commandment.

Yes, it is OK for me to post on the Sabbath. I am doing YHWH's will by educating people to His ways. All spiritual work is permissible on Sabbath.

 

[gadar perets]

OK!! then when He Arose, They Arose, and were seen by Many in the City. If they were resurrected and seen by many, what happened to them, I Agree that He was of the Barley Harvest, So were these that arose part of the Same, and yes they were OT Saints, I have reread my post and I do not see where I declared they were NT Saints, all I can say is that you must have misunderstood, and that's OK !

If you believe they were OT saints, great. Forgive me for misunderstanding you. I believe they ascended to heaven after Yeshua did.

 

[gadar perets]

Christ is the greatest blessing and His Spirit His second as that marks us as His children, Kepping teh sabbath just makes you religious.

Yes, Messiah is the greatest blessing as is the indwelling Holy Spirit. That does not change the fact that the Sabbath rest is a blessing as well. Keeping the Sabbath does not make one religious. It makes one obedient and keeps one from sinning against YHWH.

Act_15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Thats you.

Acts 15:24 was an incomplete summarizing of Acts 15:1:

And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
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No, that's not me. I'm the guy in Isaiah 58:13-14;

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of YHWH, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Then shalt thou delight thyself in YHWH; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of YHWH hath spoken it. :)​

 

[gadar perets]

Joh_16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh_16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

That is what is judging you, because you dont believe, this bit

Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

This is where you are at, holding onto teh old and not running with teh new, it all happened at Pentecost.

Are you holding onto the old by not committing adultery, or stealing, or committing idolatry, or bearing false witness, etc.? Neither am I by keeping 10 commandments rather than only nine.

 

[gadar perets]

As I said, I dont see you putting anyone to death, it is His commandment... Th israelites stoned peopel, do you have a collection.

Do you keep the 7th commandment by not committing adultery? If so, do you put to death those who don't? Your argument is ridiculous.

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes, Messiah is the greatest blessing as is the indwelling Holy Spirit. That does not change the fact that the Sabbath rest is a blessing as well. Keeping the Sabbath does not make one religious. It makes one obedient and keeps one from sinning against YHWH.


Acts 15:24 was an incomplete summarizing of Acts 15:1:

And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
​

No, that's not me. I'm the guy in Isaiah 58:13-14;

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of YHWH, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Then shalt thou delight thyself in YHWH; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of YHWH hath spoken it. :)​

Oh so you are an Israelite, still holding onto teh old. Thats fine keep the Sabbath just dont force it upon anyone else, and than make it a stumbling block for them, and what about the rest of teh LAw you have to keep it all, one is not enough.

 

[mjrhealth]

Are you holding onto the old by not committing adultery, or stealing, or committing idolatry, or bearing false witness, etc.? Neither am I by keeping 10 commandments rather than only nine.

Just Love it satisfies Christ and all the laws. And yes you can boast about all the things you do, ill just boast about Christ and all that He has done.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

People love to boast.

Your not a Seventh Day adventist are you beginning to sound like one.

 

[gadar perets]

Oh so you are an Israelite, still holding onto teh old. Thats fine keep the Sabbath just dont force it upon anyone else, and than make it a stumbling block for them, and what about the rest of teh LAw you have to keep it all, one is not enough.

The Sabbath was made for man, not just Israelites. Telling people about the Sabbath is not forcing them to keep it. The choice is yours. Some people make good choices that lead to blessings and others make bad choices leading to consequences.

As for having to keep the whole law, do you keep the New Covenant law? If so, if you break one New Covenant law, have you broken them all?

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[Triumph1300]

In the matter of the sabbath, the New Testament clearly shows Christians worshiping
together on Sunday rather than Saturday.

Romans 14 teaches that each person must be convinced
in his own mind about the day they observe as the Lord’s Day;
if the sabbath was binding on all Christians today, this passage would be meaningless.

So, Gadar, if you want to have church on saturday that's fine to me.

Take any day you like.

But you must not condemn people for not having church on saturday.

 

[gadar perets]

Just Love it satisfies Christ and all the laws.

And what happens when you don't love? If I steal from my neighbor, I have demonstrated my lack of love for him. The same holds true for all Ten Commandments. If I cause my employees to work seven days a week, I demonstrate my lack of love for my employees.

And yes you can boast about all the things you do, ill just boast about Christ and all that He has done.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

People love to boast.

Your not a Seventh Day adventist are you beginning to sound like one.

I don't boast about keeping the commandments. Nor have I ever said we are saved by our works. That is just you choosing to make personal attacks against me because you can't Scripturally attack my position.

 

[gadar perets]

In the matter of the sabbath, the New Testament clearly shows Christians worshiping
together on Sunday rather than Saturday.

I see them worshiping every day which is certainly not wrong. What is wrong is working on the 7th day. Do you see any believers doing secular work on the 7th day in Scripture?

Romans 14 teaches that each person must be convinced
in his own mind about the day they observe as the Lord’s Day;
if the sabbath was binding on all Christians today, this passage would be meaningless.

Roman's 14 says nothing about the Lord's Day or the Sabbath unless you read those days into the text.

So, Gadar, if you want to have church on saturday that's fine to me.

Take any day you like.

But you must not condemn people for not having church on saturday.

I have condemned no one. I educate, not condemn. If you choose to not learn, so be it. And "having church" is not the issue. Abstaining from sin by not working on the 7th day is the issue. If you cannot provide a command from YHWH, Yeshua or any apostle stating the 7th day Sabbath is abolished or changed to Sunday (Christians can't seem to agree on that), then it remains a command for believers today.

 

[DPMartin]

Hope you do not mind if I wade in on this, When reading the Gospels where did Our Savior Spend His Sabbath's, Preaching and Teaching in the Synagogues, the Sabbath is a Day set aside to Admonish the God of Israel, sharing in His word with believers and non-believers alike. Please do not be confused with Orthodox Judaism, they think that any thing like tearing toilet paper is breaking the Sabbath. We are to be about our Saviors Business, Work is Work, Expressing the Word is a Delight!

Toilet paper, oh my how crass, well you can always use your left hand i guess.


but you're right about that in the commandment it's self it says so:


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

and the only thing that makes something Holy is God's Presence. therefore He should be in one's Sabbath day in order for it to be Holy as commanded.

 

[Truth]

I see them worshiping every day which is certainly not wrong. What is wrong is working on the 7th day. Do you see any believers doing secular work on the 7th day in Scripture?


Roman's 14 says nothing about the Lord's Day or the Sabbath unless you read those days into the text.


I have condemned no one. I educate, not condemn. If you choose to not learn, so be it. And "having church" is not the issue. Abstaining from sin by not working on the 7th day is the issue. If you cannot provide a command from YHWH, Yeshua or any apostle stating the 7th day Sabbath is abolished or changed to Sunday (Christians can't seem to agree on that), then it remains a command for believers today.

I have been over these Commandment's on other Threads! It doesn't penetrate their minds, take Matthew 5, starting at vers 17-- Our Savior is teaching the Disciples, and He basically said, Do not think for one minuet that I came to do away with the Law or the Prophets. Not to hard to understand right, He is speaking about the Law right! so we have this in context right. Then He goes on to say this! If any person breaks the least of these Commandments, What Commandments? the Law! then that person shall be called least in the Kingdom right! But then He said, and if any person keeps these Commandments, Again What Commandments? and Teaches others to also keep these Commandments, then that Person shall be Called Great, in the Kingdom. these are the Words of Our Savior, straight from the King's Mouth right!
Here is another point that goes right over their heads! When Jesus was walking over to the Mount of Olives, and He began to relate to His Disciples about the End time's, where He refers to Danial, He tell's them to Pray that their flight be not in the Winter, or on the Sabbath! Right! So was Our Savior Just Presuming that the people in the Future, You Know, We the Believers would still be keeping the Sabbath Today, or should we Pray that our flight be not on any of the Day's we Keep unto the Lord. Just Hope it Help's that there are other's out Here.
Be Blessed

 

[Truth]

Toilet paper, oh my how crass, well you can always use your left hand i guess.


but you're right about that in the commandment it's self it says so:


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

and the only thing that makes something Holy is God's Presence. therefore He should be in one's Sabbath day in order for it to be Holy as commanded.

I Agree, But it is true,they pre-tear their paper before the Sabbath, there are many that have everything in their home on Computerized systems to turn on lights, coffee pots, and even during the Sabbath they have elevators that run continuously, stopping at every floor, I am supersized that feeding oneself is allowed. Extremism. Know you know why Our Savior said, If your Righteousness doesn't exceed the Righteousness of the Pharisees, you will in no wise inter the Kingdom!