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I talked with God a little which was Jesus the Christ in spirit. I was turned to the idea of EV's. I saw some desire for a better solution to the problems of gas powered vehicles. Let's face it there are some problems. The world is really poorly supplied with appropriate solutions for transportation and energy. We are in the early stages of the industrial age and also technological advancement.

Problems with gas powered vehicles: They, if properly constructed emit CO2, and that in itself is not that dangerous at the present. CO2 is heavier than air in the atmosphere and would sink to the lower areas of that atmosphere. Anyone who has gone to the doctors and had an O2 blood test knows their oxygen levels are fine today. If that is not the case then please add that report to this thread. There are many problems around the world and the USA is low on the list of polluters. I had read that most of the problem of pollution comes from other countries and also includes coal plants. So USA pollution of CO2 was not the problem that I could discern. The only problem I could discern is Biden shutting down pipelines and also foreign dependence on oil. There are issues related to obtaining that oil from hostile countries. Perhaps there are other problems gas powered cars.

I think it is per-mature to force EV's on the population and that can be felt in subjects in ways that are frustrating and lets face it even harmful, I'm concerned that death might also result from per-mature EV enforcement. Not all of the population will see it that way, but I have heard language on the news that indicates people are leaving states that enforce EV solutions (which also is other problem related migrations) and opposing laws that enforce EV replacement of gas powered vehicles. I will not address the other problems that are triggering people to migrate. It is a big enough problem for people that they actually sell their homes and transport their properties to other states, where they buy new homes and live there lives away from that problem. And I should add the impact to apartment communities and lower income, which appears to be even more of a safety risk for them.

What are the problems with EV's. First there has been testimony that implementation of EV's in the trucking industry would overload power grids by themselves. Add to that other forms of EV's, personal vehicles and bus systems and electric powered trains and the like and there starts a real problem. First off there are homes that rely on that power from the power grids for air conditioning and refrigeration among the other electrical related home and business operations.

When the power shuts off to air condition it can become a life threatening issue especially in co-morbid and elderly patients who might be more susceptible to heat exhaustion and heat stroke or other heat related illnesses. Not that it can't be an issue in others. We are in the summer months and we have to consider what it is like without air conditioning if EV's are per-maturely enforced.

When the power shuts off for the refrigerator and freezer there is a certain amount of time before the food can spoil, especially true with meats and milk, and perhaps other food items. There are articles on how long milk and meat will last at room temperature before forming dangerous bacteria:

How Long Can Milk Sit Out?

https://ask.usda.gov/s/article/Will-meat-remain-safe-in-my-trunk

If a person eats food items including milk that contains dangerous bacteria they can become ill to various degrees including death, especially in co-morbid patients and elder, not that others would also survive.

And those are risks associated with power grid failures. It certainly depends on how long the power is gone and temperatures that conduct within a home.

Have those states assessed those risks to human safety, health and life? Can they guarantee how long the power-grid will be out? Does anybody have any more concerns or information regarding these issues?

The solution I thought God wanted was advancement in physics and other sciences. Which would include experimentation on new theories and design of new devices for the use in the transportation and electric power industries. That is a short summary.
 
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I did come up with a scientific solution to the problem God wanted addressed. And that was the radio-active hydrogen as a liquid. Gases can be pressurized into a liquid or other suitable concentration and even impregnated into a polymer. Radio-active hydrogen emits ultra-violet radiation which can be harnessed by solar cells.

Sandwiching the solar cells and radio-active hydrogen in layers can create a suitable power source that may last 20 years. The half life of radio-active hydrogen is 12.32 years:

Tritium - Wikipedia

Radionuclide Basics: Tritium | US EPA
 

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I did come up with a scientific solution to the problem God wanted addressed. And that was the radio-active hydrogen as a liquid. Gases can be pressurized into a liquid or other suitable concentration and even impregnated into a polymer. Radio-active hydrogen emits ultra-violet radiation which can be harnessed by solar cells.

Sandwiching the solar cells and radio-active hydrogen in layers can create a suitable power source that may last 20 years. The half life of radio-active hydrogen is 12.32 years:

Tritium - Wikipedia

Radionuclide Basics: Tritium | US EPA

EVs with batteries are at best a "Stop gap" of the real issues at play.

Normally Commercial vehicles are where innovation is introduced due to fuel cost savings. The building of Hoover Dam was where diesel engines and pneumatic tires became so prolific for hauling concrete and rock.

Currently we do have great usable technology for hybrid vehicles for turning hydrocarbon fuels into electricity which then turns electric motors....

however....

The engineering is not great as yet. The maintenance costs are high and breakdowns are common. IOW it saves fuel by not working reliably.

Personally I think that if the money the government threw at EVs was put towards Hybrids....we could have dropped fuel consumption in half already.

No matter what we do....peak petroleum consumption is at least 50 years away from any draconian measures put in place. And this doesn't begin to replace cheap plastics and petroleum based products everywhere in daily life.....from soda bottles to shoelaces.

The USA has a distinct advantage over other countries in that where we provide 60-70% of the world economy we only consume 25-30% of the world fuel supplies produced. We are efficient to begin with.

Time to look for other solutions to the problems....not force draconian laws upon the people.
 

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Currently we do have great usable technology for hybrid vehicles for turning hydrocarbon fuels into electricity which then turns electric motors....
I did provide a solution in the radio-active hydrogen idea. See post #2. It is a better solution than any idea I have heard yet. Did you look at that idea and the links about the possible availability of radio-active hydrogen. It is a bi-product of nuclear energy stations. It can also be manufactured in other ways.

Modern vehicles are complex enough just with plain gas operation. The complexity has evolved over time. I was trained as a mechanic in school thru advanced auto-mechanics and had some beyond school training in heavy equipment. So I have some knowledge on the subject.

Adding hybrid technology would only complicate the vehicle design and cause more problems. I addressed the lack of evidence regarding any CO2 emission problems on biological lifeforms in the United States in post #1 which is the OP. Hybrid technology is more likely to break down due to over complicated systems. The more complex the system, the more likely it is to have malfunctions which need to be fixed by a professional mechanic. Malfunctions are likely to happen from manufacture error and also normal wear and tear on the vehicle. And professional mechanics are definitely going to charge more money to work on a hybrid than a traditional gas powered vehicle. There were definitely warnings in post #1 about problems with costs increasing and draining the economy further thru the various classes of society. Rich, middle and poor.

I believe along the lines of technological advancement of society that benefits that society there needs to be simplification of design rather than complexity. A good designer attempts to find the most simple design so that it works well and doesn't create over pricing of purchases and repair. We also obviously don't want people unnecessarily wasting fuel and will add extra CO2 to the atmosphere. I think sometimes designers over-complicate the idea and design to the extent that it fails to follow the needs of society to function well in a lowest cost and lowest vehicle break down way. I suspect that hybrid technology ideas are creating that problem if implemented.

Did you notice the zero emission design I vaguely stated with radio-active hydrogen? I'm not aware if you are versed in nuclear, chemical and electro-magnetic physics. Radio-active hydrogen is a ultra-violet light source that shines for around 20 years. Coupled with a system of solar cells that collect the light and turn it into electricity it would create an electrical energy source that is capable of supplying the energy needs of homes, businesses and vehicles. The implementation of a storage system, like batteries and/or high density capacitors would allow for overnight charging of the vehicles, homes and businesses. I believe that idea would produce enough energy to not even require a battery or energy storage device. That would relieve society of any emission of CO2 problem that might happen in the future. It would also free the people from the grasp of the energy companies if the energy companies were not involved in the sale and manufacture of that type of device. Imagine no power wires above our heads emitting potentially harmful electromagnetic waves of high voltage and amperage. The devices may have to be tracked by a government agency for reasons of protecting the public. But I don't see how that is a problem. They should be allowed to purchase the device and not lease it like the business practices which can be abused. And when it runs out of light, it can be collected by a responsible agency of the government as well. And that can be enforced.

"Again, you generally have all of the repair risks and costs of any gasoline vehicles, but the hybrid system adds some components that can be expensive to repair once the vehicle ages out of warranty. The specialized parts can require more skilled technicians and time to repair." does it cost more money to fix a hybrid car - Google Search
 
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I did provide a solution in the radio-active hydrogen idea. See post #2. It is a better solution than any idea I have heard yet. Did you look at that idea and the links about the possible availability of radio-active hydrogen. It is a bi-product of nuclear energy stations. It can also be manufactured in other ways.

Modern vehicles are complex enough just with plain gas operation. The complexity has evolved over time. I was trained as a mechanic in school thru advanced auto-mechanics and had some beyond school training in heavy equipment. So I have some knowledge on the subject.

Adding hybrid technology would only complicate the vehicle design and cause more problems. I addressed the lack of evidence regarding any CO2 emission problems on biological lifeforms in the United States in post #1 which is the OP. Hybrid technology is more likely to break down due to over complicated systems. The more complex the system, the more likely it is to have malfunctions which need to be fixed by a professional mechanic. Malfunctions are likely to happen from manufacture error and also normal wear and tear on the vehicle. And professional mechanics are definitely going to charge more money to work on a hybrid than a traditional gas powered vehicle. There were definitely warnings in post #1 about problems with costs increasing and draining the economy further thru the various classes of society. Rich, middle and poor.

I believe along the lines of technological advancement of society that benefits that society there needs to be simplification of design rather than complexity. A good designer attempts to find the most simple design so that it works well and doesn't create over pricing of purchases and repair. We also obviously don't want people unnecessarily wasting fuel and will add extra CO2 to the atmosphere. I think sometimes designers over-complicate the idea and design to the extent that it fails to follow the needs of society to function well in a lowest cost and lowest vehicle break down way. I suspect that hybrid technology ideas are creating that problem if implemented.

Did you notice the zero emission design I vaguely stated with radio-active hydrogen? I'm not aware if you are versed in nuclear, chemical and electro-magnetic physics. Radio-active hydrogen is a ultra-violet light source that shines for around 20 years. Coupled with a system of solar cells that collect the light and turn it into electricity it would create an electrical energy source that is capable of supplying the energy needs of homes, businesses and vehicles. The implementation of a storage system, like batteries and/or high density capacitors would allow for overnight charging of the vehicles, homes and businesses. I believe that idea would produce enough energy to not even require a battery or energy storage device. That would relieve society of any emission of CO2 problem that might happen in the future. It would also free the people from the grasp of the energy companies if the energy companies were not involved in the sale and manufacture of that type of device. Imagine no power wires above our heads emitting potentially harmful electromagnetic waves of high voltage and amperage. The devices may have to be tracked by a government agency for reasons of protecting the public. But I don't see how that is a problem. They should be allowed to purchase the device and not lease it like the business practices which can be abused. And when it runs out of light, it can be collected by a responsible agency of the government as well. And that can be enforced.

"Again, you generally have all of the repair risks and costs of any gasoline vehicles, but the hybrid system adds some components that can be expensive to repair once the vehicle ages out of warranty. The specialized parts can require more skilled technicians and time to repair." does it cost more money to fix a hybrid car - Google Search
Photovoltaic arrays (solar cells) are expensive and environmentally unfriendly to produce. They also do not provide enough power in small sheets that can fit in a vehicle. A vehicle needs a minimum of a three HP motor to be viable....and that means over 300 Sq ft of photovoltaic cells (at a guess) to charge a battery bank sufficient to operate a car....with a Long recharge time.

Where this is viable on some level....not exactly the perfect solution. Also because this hydrogen is extremely valuable and expensive as a necessary component in fusion bombs and experimental reactors.

There are many other hybrid solutions....from hydrogen fuel cells (platinum is still a problem but it can work off pure ethanol or bio-diesel or gasoline or LNG or LPG) and gasoline or natural gas powered motors driving generators that charge battery banks. (Edison Motors has a great product)

That's why I said that there are many various possibilities for hybrid vehicles. But they need work and engineering for reliability. But there is no limit to range with short refill times and basically having a portable electrical generator wherever you travel to.
 

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Photovoltaic arrays (solar cells) are expensive and environmentally unfriendly to produce. They also do not provide enough power in small sheets that can fit in a vehicle. A vehicle needs a minimum of a three HP motor to be viable....and that means over 300 Sq ft of photovoltaic cells (at a guess) to charge a battery bank sufficient to operate a car....with a Long recharge time.
@JohnDB thank you for your concerns. Well they say we're destroying our environment already with gas powered and coal powered and nuclear powered devices. I'm not sure we can know which is worse, destroying the atmosphere and terminate all life on the planet via exhaust emissions, or some solar cell mining problems. What do you think?

I can see that your assessment of surface area for solar cell sandwiching between layers in a possible cubic area is incorrect. How did you arrive at your conclusions? Let's look at some power output from solar energy supplied cells and what they have to offer that is currently being used to power roofs for houses and remote devices. And that is not the amount of radiation intensity and wattage from radio-active hydrogen that is not a gas, but instead a different phase of the atom as a liquid or polymer impregnated materiel:

"Residential solar panels have typical power ratings of around 350-400 W. Under favorable sunlight conditions, a panel of this wattage can generate over 1.5 kWh of electricity per day." Solar Panel Wattage and Output Explained | 2024

"for every 1,000 watts of solar PV required to meet your needs. The standard residential 66 cell panel is approximately 41” x 74” dimensionally" https://aresolar.com/how-large-of-a-surface-area-do-i-need-to-put-solar-on-a-roof/

With that information regarding light from the sun and not atomic supplied amount of super massive UV radiation, could I fit that into a cube sandwich array. For the case of sunlight on a rooftop of 1,000 watts which is energy per second, there was a total square in area of 3,000 square inches. That is about 6 feet long by 6 feet wide and about 55 layers of solar cells. Now with my professional and educated information @JohnDB do you think, considering the tiny amount of solar radiation from the sun doing that, that a smaller device with less wattage could be constructed and charge an EV battery or home over time when the electricity is not used. Perhaps a second to day time would be helpful in calculating the total power supplied to a battery with the about information. There is 8,640 seconds in a day, multiply 1,000 watts times 8,640 seconds to get the total Joules of power supplied to the battery or other energy storage device which is 8,640,000 joules of energy. And then I will not supply the calculation of liquid radioactive hydrogen where each atom is in a state of radioactive decay and emitting UV light. Lets just state how many atoms in a mole of material generally exist, each one source of UV light. The number of atoms in a mole of material is 6.0E+23 atoms. And that's is a very large scientific number which represents 6 with 23 zeros after it. Not sure how educated you are in science or other readers, and wanted to be clear. Now atoms with a certain quantity suspended into a polymer could reduce the wattage of the sandwich layer to not melt the solar cell with tremendous amounts radiation. Well we got the sunlight rooftop calculated and not the UV radioactive hydrogen calculated.
 

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The American government wants to electrify everything,ban gas stoves,etc....
Start with electrifying the border fence!

EV's don't save the environment. The batteries aren't fully recyclable. The EV's don't charge in cold weather as we learned this past winter when not even charging stations were up.

The only way to save the planet is if man disappears. That's it.
 

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Where this is viable on some level....not exactly the perfect solution. Also because this hydrogen is extremely valuable and expensive as a necessary component in fusion bombs and experimental reactors.

There are many other hybrid solutions....from hydrogen fuel cells (platinum is still a problem but it can work off pure ethanol or bio-diesel or gasoline or LNG or LPG) and gasoline or natural gas powered motors driving generators that charge battery banks. (Edison Motors has a great product)

That's why I said that there are many various possibilities for hybrid vehicles. But they need work and engineering for reliability. But there is no limit to range with short refill times and basically having a portable electrical generator wherever you travel to.
I see you have some other opinions. I haven't checked the process in which radioactive hydrogen is produced. I know it is a byproduct in nuclear energy plants, and are you assuming it is not easily produced. It can be manufactured in a scientific experiment probably with some ease.

Along the lines of hydrogen energy, I did have a Church friend that was a teacher for machining class and developed a water hydrogen-oxygen separator. And I recently saw that my area of government was looking into that idea. And for the life of me I don't know why. I already looked into those ideas and in no way came close to the radioactive hydrogen with solar cells technology. It simply cannot be matched.
 

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EV's don't save the environment. The batteries aren't fully recyclable. The EV's don't charge in cold weather as we learned this past winter when not even charging stations were up.
From what I can tell, EV's are actually worse for the environment. They require a bunch of metals that have to be mined, and then lots of heavy metals go into the landfill, because let's face it - humanity sucks at recycling.

The cars themselves may be more efficient, but the electricity still comes mostly from coal-burning generating plants, which are actually less efficient than burning petrol.

On the bright side, they provide a very smooth ride, and they accelerate wonderfully. Performance is not the issue.

The only way to save the planet is if man disappears. That's it.
There does appear to be an agenda out there to reduce the human population by... 90%?
 

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EV's don't save the environment. The batteries aren't fully recyclable. The EV's don't charge in cold weather as we learned this past winter when not even charging stations were up.
@BlessedPeace I had already addressed your concerns about Chinese batteries being a problem as we see with USA ideas and implementation of those technologies. I offered other solutions such as high energy storage capacitors. Forgive me I am extremely educated in science and physics which includes devices such as capacitors which requires quite some time to get familiar with. Allow me to direct you towards a basic article on the scientific device called a capacitor, more advanced ideas which have evolved over the course of hundreds of years do exist which I will not discuss here:

Capacitor - Wikipedia
 

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I was turned to the idea of EV's. I saw some desire for a better solution to the problems of gas powered vehicles. Let's face it there are some problems.
There are FAR worse problems with EV's.

In the real world, there are pros and cons to every option. Socialists seek utopia but that is an ideal not a practical reality.
 

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I see you have some other opinions. I haven't checked the process in which radioactive hydrogen is produced. I know it is a byproduct in nuclear energy plants, and are you assuming it is not easily produced. It can be manufactured in a scientific experiment probably with some ease.

Along the lines of hydrogen energy, I did have a Church friend that was a teacher for machining class and developed a water hydrogen-oxygen separator. And I recently saw that my area of government was looking into that idea. And for the life of me I don't know why. I already looked into those ideas and in no way came close to the radioactive hydrogen with solar cells technology. It simply cannot be matched.
Regular Uranium can be used to create photovoltaic cells which generates a LOT of power and is the type NASA and others use in space for the Satellites in orbit to charge their batteries with.

However nobody is allowed to use them or sell this type of solar cell anywhere in the world. The reason is the radioactive nature of Uranium. It messes with the Satellites used to detect such things to prevent anyone from creating enough fissionable material to produce a radiological weapon.
Even though dentist exray machines have a radiological component that are dangerous....the material in them is incapable of doing much more than creating a "dirty bomb".

What I'm saying AND ALL I'm saying is that there are plenty of means of reducing vehicle usage of petroleum products of diesel and gasoline. Going with a radiological method, where viable, is probably not the most prudent means of achieving it.

Where they are stuck on electricity generation (because electricity is so easily transformed into other energy forms) I personally don't think that this is ultimately going to be the solution they they land upon.

And coal?
It usually contains high levels of mercury (sometimes lead and arsenic compounds too) that are disastrous to the environment when released in the atmosphere.

The USA is the most efficient nation when it comes to energy utilization but only inside their borders. Outside they are very modest in suggesting others clean up their act at all.

Even still....

Peak petroleum usage is 50 years out from any viable solution installed by draconian laws.
It's not petroleum itself that is the needed thing but cheap petroleum products. We can produce petroleum from everything like biomass to coal itself....but it's expensive to do so. Cheap oil is what the problem really is.
 

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Should God come out with a new form of clean energy while people doubt his ability to provide and protect the earth? They do not consider how energy scarcity affects the poor. They don't even consider themselves. Like the snake eating its own tail, they work to set us back two hundred years. Their motivation is destructive and from below.

Should God provide breakthroughs for such a people and let them say, "God is on our side, to protect the environment from Carbon emissions."
 
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From what I can tell, EV's are actually worse for the environment. They require a bunch of metals that have to be mined, and then lots of heavy metals go into the landfill, because let's face it - humanity sucks at recycling.

The cars themselves may be more efficient, but the electricity still comes mostly from coal-burning generating plants, which are actually less efficient than burning petrol.

On the bright side, they provide a very smooth ride, and they accelerate wonderfully. Performance is not the issue.


There does appear to be an agenda out there to reduce the human population by... 90%?

July 2024​

EV Batteries’ Chemical Risks to US Workers Rising as Plants Grow


An important question being,where do EV batteries come from?

Major fire risk:

2023:
 
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Should God come out with a new form of clean energy while people doubt his ability to provide and protect the earth? They do not consider how energy scarcity affects the poor. They don't even consider themselves. Like the snake eating its own tail, they work to set us back two hundred years. Their motivation is destructive and from below.

Should God provide breakthroughs for such a people and let them say, "God is on our side, to protect the environment from Carbon emissions."
Hello @lforrest whether a person believes in global warming threats scientists are providing or not, I attempted to calm their fears with my radioactive hydrogen solar cell ideas. I'm not sure if anyone has any concerns about my idea. There is one issue I would like to address for safety concerns and that is the migration away from Chinese mining of EV battery designs which have high energy capacitors instead. These capacitors can store massive amounts of energy and also if overcharged can explode, there are ways to prevent that in design. A short fun video provided by experimenters is here:

 

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I don't imagine all the saints in Christ in heaven have an energy problem!

Hebrews 2:5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels.

This was written in regard to a coming future glory. Glorified bodies and a new heaven and earth creation.
There is a question of what kind of world is that will be coming, but it won't be one based on EV's, electricity, internal combustion engines, worldly concerns over scarcity of resources.

I don't imagine angels have any kind of energy concerns. Energy concerns are temporal to our current world, as are concerns about money.
 

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I don't imagine all the saints in Christ in heaven have an energy problem!

Hebrews 2:5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels.

This was written in regard to a coming future glory. Glorified bodies and a new heaven and earth creation.
There is a question of what kind of world is that will be coming, but it won't be one based on EV's, electricity, internal combustion engines, worldly concerns over scarcity of resources.

I don't imagine angels have any kind of energy concerns. Energy concerns are temporal to our current world, as are concerns about money.
Sounds like a possible enjoyable discussion in other areas of this website and it's forums. And that would be the discussion of the future of Heaven or Jesus the Christ's return and ruling as king over the earth. Perhaps you would like to start some other thread in some other area? Let us know if you decide to do that.
 

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What are the problems with EV's.

1.) China makes all the Batteries., tho it could be that Tesla makes their own

2.) Charging stations.. and the time it takes to get a recharge.

If there is an obvious flaw to (non-hybrid) EV's, its not just that they have a limited range, even fully charged, but that it takes too long to fully recharge them.
Solve that, and implement that, and get the charging stations popping up like Mushrooms.............and then all you have to do is hope the Chinese will keep making the batteries.