Re: Sexually Immoral

[Grailhunter]

Correct the scriptures do not condmen polygamy .
However take notice
that any leader to be appointed was to be the husband of ONE WIFE only .
There is reason for that .
Now the RCC took the complete opposite and said no man who has a wife can etc
How ignorant was that . cause paul had no wife yet he led the churches .
Many wives can take the heart away from GOD .
But it was not a sin to have more than one wife . BETTER , however by FAR to have ONLY one wife .
I believe the church was brought back to this . THOUGH again they didnt condmen polygamy .
TRULY TRULY it is best to be single , ONLY for the reason of distractions . HOWEVER not all
can do so . Thus to avoid fornication let those marry ONE Wife .
Its almost like the grand picture . JESUS the BRIDEGROOM , THE CHURCH the BRIDE .
one man one wife . I truly beleive that is how we should do this .

Hi there,
I am not going to correct all this so you need to read through the posts.

 

[amigo de christo]

100% Amen!!...Praise God that we have him to discuss all things with......

Yes prayer is very very needful and good for us . As are and is all things of GOD .
His words are our meat , HIS SPIRIT is our guide . and the two will never contradict one the other .
FOR what GOD INSPIRED can only BE TRUTH . Not a word one of HIS is a lie . In fact its IMPOSSIBLE for GOD to lie .
man sure can , and all men can fall short . BUT NOT GOD . NOT CHRIST , NOT THE SPIRIT
and not His words of truth . THEY ARE TRUTH .
GOD cannot fail , CHRIST cannot fail , the SPIRIT cannot fail
but man sure can . THUS let us not hope in man but ONLY IN GOD .
And let us be learning daily , stirred up daily and be HONORING HE who saved us and can keep us from falling .

 

[amigo de christo]

Hi there,
I am not going to correct all this so you need to read through the posts.

Sounds like you think it all needs to be corrected .
At least show me an error or two . Was i wrong when i said POLYGOMAY was not considered sin
OR perhaps i was wrong when i said it was better to remain single due to distractions , As paul himself said ,
AND also wrote but if one cannot contain let them marry .
Or perhaps i was wrong when i said THE leaders were to be appointed could have only ONE WIFE
cause paul wrote that too .
I mean can you at least tell me my error . reread that post again .
And the pattern for the church became one wife . though as i also said they didnt condemn a man if already
had more than one wife .

 

[amigo de christo]

In Jesus Name...Amen!!

To the trenches one and all . For these be the last days
and time draws only shorter by the hour and by the day .
PARADISE WITH THE KING JESUS WHO saved us is our end . And what a lovely THOUGHT that truly is to this mans soul .
Just imagine it . FOREVER with HIM in a new world wherein dwells ONLY RIGHTEOUSNESS .
WHEREIN ALL WILL JUST BE FOREVER THANKING and HONORING HE WHO saved us .
THAT sounds SO lovely and peaceful .
AND to HE WE OWE ALL . cause it sure aint like we earned such a lovely end .
HE DID IT . JESUS made this posssible for us who do beleive .
YE are saved by Grace and that not of yourselves .
OH YEAH i say TO HE WE OWE EVERYTHING . SO its high time to HONOR HIM IN ALL that we do and say .
And always remember this dear sister ,
PREACHING UNBELIEF IN CHRIST , SURE AINT HONORING THE SON now is it .
SO the next time some pope or any man stands
and tries to say ALL religoins serve the same GOD we do , THOUGH THEY REJECT JESUS THE CHRIST ,
Just know THEY ARE PREACHING A FAT anti christ fake love lie . And that lie
REJECTES the very testimony THAT THE FATHER GAVE OF THE SON .
a lie , no matter how loving and kind it may have sounded , IN NO WAY HONORS GOD but rather
blasphemes that HOLY name . Let us always remember this and thus let us only OFFER UP the ONLY NAME
with the dire reminder YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM to be saved .

 

[Grailhunter]

Sounds like you think it all needs to be corrected .
At least show me an error or two . Was i wrong when i said POLYGOMAY was not considered sin
OR perhaps i was wrong when i said it was better to remain single due to distractions , As paul himself said ,
AND also wrote but if one cannot contain let them marry .
Or perhaps i was wrong when i said THE leaders were to be appointed could have only ONE WIFE
cause paul wrote that too .
I mean can you at least tell me my error . reread that post again .
And the pattern for the church became one wife . though as i also said they didnt condemn a man if already
had more than one wife .

No you are mostly on.....just a lot of info in the posts.
The word fornication is a no no....it is not biblical and skews the meaning of the scriptures and reality.
In the Jewish beliefs and culture for a man to have a lot of wives and children was seen as a blessing from God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Disobediance does not HONOR GOD .
Obediance does HONOR HIM .
THIS is my well beloved SON in whom i am WELL PLEASED ,
HEAR YE HIM .
any man that comes and omits HIS words , HIS teachings , DISHONORS HIM .
And if a man dishonors HIM they DISHONOR HE who SENT HIM .
Enough with this false interfaith big ol broad road lie . IT TRULY DISHONORS THE SON
and it cannot save ONE soul but rather shall damn all who loved that lie its leaders do teach .
Hollering all religoins serve the same GOD we do .
NO Sir and no mam
ALL other religoins are just as LOST and just as much in darkness
AS WE ALL ONCE WERE BEFORE GOD translated US into the KINGDOM of HIS DEAR SON .
THERE BE ONLY ONE GOSPEL we must sound out .
AND IT DARN sure includes the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

No you are mostly on.....just a lot of info in the posts.
The word fornication is a no no....it is not biblical and skews the meaning of the scriptures and reality.
In the Jewish beliefs and culture for a man to have a lot of wives and children was seen as a blessing from God.

what do you mean the word fornication is a no no .
What do you mean by this . IF you are saying we ought not to comit fornication . THEN SPOT ON RIGHT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Someone once wrote that marriage ceremonies are man made .
Rather odd .
WHAT was being done when JESUS TURNED THE WATER INTO WINE .
Cause i sure seem to remember a massive cermony going on .
IT WAS A WEDDING CEREMONY friends .
NOTICE it is also written that if a man sleeps with a virgin
HE must marry her and pay tribute . so again there must be some kind of reconginition .
It wasnt slam bam , OKAY WE MARRIED NOW
it was more than that my friends . BEFORE Jacob performed his duties to his wife
didnt they perform a cermony and a festival . YOu bet .
This stuff aint just man made . Though sure some of it is .
Would i condmen one
if he married a woman in private . NO .
But remember we should keep the laws of the land , SO LONG as them laws DONT contradict GOD .

 

[Grailhunter]

what do you mean the word fornication is a no no .
What do you mean by this . IF you are saying we ought not to comit fornication . THEN SPOT ON RIGHT .

That is why I said to read the posts. A long essay on fornication.
In short.....fornication is a Latin word that came out in the 4th century. Besides being a general word for sexual immorality it means that two single people having sex is a sin, when until the 16th century that was how people got married. The words wed and wedding are not in the scriptures nor the requirement for them to be married.

 

[Marvelloustime]

A lovely reminder i was led to give us today my dear sister .
SPIRIT LED .
And my how the SPIRIT led me right into the bible to learn and continue to be reminded .
Isnt that lovely sister .
The SPIRIT speaks to the heart of the Sheep and GOD has always known what is best for us .
This too is why that same SPIRIT would have both peter and paul
to write to the church about the wonderful reminder to be learning the scriptures as well .
Its so lovely and pure .
And as by grace we both know , THAT WHEN THE SPIRIT speaks to us
It will never contradict that which was written for our learning .
IN fact the SCRIPS would CONFIRM what the SPIRIT said .
But as we both know many can cliam to be hearing from the SPIRIT
and yet upon real simple examination of said scrips , WE SEE ITS NOT THE SPIRIT they heard from at all .
Be encouraged dear sister . And it dont matter what anyone might say about ya , You know i loves ya .
And no matter what folks say about me , it matters not , What matters to me is
THAT WE SIMPLY HONOR HE WHO SAVED US in all things that we do and say and that souls are edified and souls are saved .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

And as you know dear sister , What we hear from GOD would never contradicts His words .
Thus We see too where it is written about man with man or women with women .
As the SPIRIT bids us would never contradict GOD . FOR HE IS HIS SPIRIT .
Just sound those praises out unto the LORD .
What has been written upon the hearts and the minds of his sheep
Fullfills and trangresses not . aint that lovely sister .
HOW GOD put it into our hearts TO DO what is pleasing to HIM .
The words in scrip would confirm this .
THus as you said whatever we hear we confirm by scriptures .
But as you know many live by emotions and not the SPIRIT
and they do beleive they hear from the SPIRIT
and yet what they heard is not confirmed by the scrips , but rather omits it does the opposite .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

That is why I said to read the posts. A long essay on fornication.
In short.....fornication is a Latin word that came out in the 4th century. Besides being a general word for sexual immorality it means that two single people having sex is a sin, when until the 16th century that was how people got married. The words wed and wedding are not in the scriptures nor the requirement for them to be married.

fornication is both the physcial and the spiritiual . Its okay to use that word .
If not i guess we can only use hebrew or greek words . No its okay to use that word .
And many have comitted great fornication with a Harlot . and i speak spiritual , whoredomes with a HO who sits over this world .

 

[Grailhunter]

fornication is both the physcial and the spiritiual . Its okay to use that word .
If not i guess we can only use hebrew or greek words . No its okay to use that word .
And many have comitted great fornication with a Harlot . and i speak spiritual , whoredomes with a HO who sits over this world .

It’s not OK to perpetuate false beliefs. The condemnation it causes can cause great sin. And the condemnation can turn people away from Christ. A sin that on judgment day can be damning.

 

[Grailhunter]

fornication is both the physcial and the spiritiual . Its okay to use that word .
If not i guess we can only use hebrew or greek words . No its okay to use that word .
And many have comitted great fornication with a Harlot . and i speak spiritual , whoredomes with a HO who sits over this world .

Preaching false beliefs and condemnation.
Trophies on Satan's shelf! Other wise good church going Christians screaming in Hell because they preached some thing that turned a lot of people away from Christ and they went to Hell. That is the sort of thing that Satan loves.

John and Bill are talking in a corner of the church. Did you hear? George and Mary are shak’in up! They are living in sin! And they have 3 damnedable bastards! Ya they use to go to church here, but we set them straight!

And the devil does dance in Hell! Oh boy! Christians, I can hardly wait!

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Fornication
This is a prime example of why we should not make up words and stick them in the Bible, because they cause misunderstandings and false beliefs that can span over a thousand years. The word fornication or is not in the scriptures nor is its definition. It is scam that is a reflection of Christianity’s growing hatred of sex and women after the biblical period.

This stems indirectly from the Greek word porneia means prostitute or associated with prostitutes. Which was not a negative term in the Greco-Roman culture. But the Christian religion thought differently. The New Testament was written mostly in Greek, a Pagan Language. When the Apostles were writing the New Testament they were tasked with using a Pagan language that did not reflect Christian morals. So the Christians adjusted the words and definitions to convey their thoughts. There are variances to the Greek word porneia that define various sexual activities…. all of which are in the scriptures and all of which Christianity considers sinful.

The false beliefs associated with the word fornication start a long long time ago. If you noticed there was no wedding ceremony or vows in Eden. And then you can read the rest of the Bible and find no requirement for wedding ceremonies or vows. Yep! That is right the Bible does not state a requirement for a wedding ceremony to be married in the Old or New Testament. People formed marriages as God described… For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. Genesis 2:24 Neither the Old or New Testament state a requirement for wedding ceremonies. It was about1500 years after the biblical period that Christianity developed a requirement for weddings ceremonies and vows, and that is a fact.

Christianity has lumped a lot of Greek words for sex acts into the word Fornication as seen in some definitions of the word below, but the word does not appear in any scripture.

Some examples:
noun
πορνεία
prostitution, whoring, harlotry, whoredom,
συνουσία
fornication, coition, intercourse, copulation

1. Porneía is a biblical term — and it does mean sexual immorality outside of covenant marriage. It’s used over 25 times in the New Testament, and always in condemnation, not neutral description. It includes pre-marital sex (1 Corinthians 7:2), incest (1 Corinthians 5:1), adultery (Matthew 5:32), and general sexual immorality (Galatians 5:19, Ephesians 5:3). If porneía only meant "prostitution," why would Paul write, “Flee porneía. Every other sin is outside the body” (1 Corinthians 6:18)? You can’t limit porneía to Roman norms. Paul wasn’t teaching Greek sexual ethics — he was confronting them with God’s moral law.

2. "Porneía just meant prostitution, not immoral sex" — Flat-Out False. Porneía was used widely in ancient Greek — not just to mean prostitution. It covers pre-marital sex (1 Corinthians 7:2: “because of porneía, let each man have his own wife”), incest (1 Corinthians 5:1 — a man with his father’s wife — Paul uses porneía for this), and general sexual immorality (Matthew 15:19, Galatians 5:19, Ephesians 5:3). If porneía only meant “literal prostitution,” then why would Paul command believers to flee it and contrast it with holy marriage? “Flee porneía. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.” (1 Corinthians 6:18). That’s not temple prostitution. That’s a universal principle about all sex outside of God’s boundaries.

3. "There's no wedding ceremony in Eden, so sex = marriage" — False Equivalence. This one is a classic false dichotomy. Yes, Genesis 2:24 is the divine model for marriage: a man leaves, cleaves, and becomes one flesh. But the act of sex alone does not make a covenant — that’s just the consummation of a covenant, not the covenant itself. If sex equals marriage, then Jacob would’ve been married to both Leah and Rachel on accident — oh wait, he was deceived into marrying Leah. That alone proves intent and covenant matter, not just sex. And Paul wouldn’t say “it’s better to marry than to burn with passion” — he’d say “just go have sex, you’re married now.” Covenant precedes consummation — always.

4. "Porneía never referred to unmarried couples" — Completely Baseless. Let’s look at Acts 15:20, a verse even you cite: “…that they abstain from porneía, from what has been strangled, and from blood.” This wasn’t about temple prostitution — this was part of the minimum moral standard for Gentile Christians, and it included sexual immorality. Why? Because the Gentile converts came out of a culture where sex outside marriage was normal — and the apostles drew a hard line. That’s why Paul repeats it constantly in his letters.

5. "Christians invented sexual morality using pagan Greek" — Distorted. This is like saying: “Because the Romans had no word for gravity, Newton invented gravity.” No — morality existed before the vocabulary used to describe it. The Holy Spirit inspired the New Testament writers to infuse the existing Greek with God’s moral standards. That’s not corruption — that’s incarnation: God’s truth entering a broken human context and redeeming it. Besides, Paul and the apostles were Jews writing in Greek to non-Jews. Their moral framework was Hebraic, not Roman. They were applying Levitical moral purity (Leviticus 18–20) to a Greek-speaking world.

6. "Sex equals marriage" ignores Paul, Jesus, and Hebrews 13:4. Let’s revisit the verse you conveniently ignore or twist: “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but fornicators (pornos) and adulterers (moichos) God will judge.” (Hebrews 13:4). If sex itself equals marriage, then there’d be no such thing as fornication. But this verse clearly distinguishes between the marriage bed (blessed and honorable) and fornication/adultery (judged and condemned). That destroys your entire thesis in one verse.

7. "Fornication is a man-made term" — Irrelevant. So what? The Trinity is also a man-made term. So is rapture, sovereignty, and Bible. The point isn’t the English word — it’s whether the concept is taught in Scripture. And porneía is used more than 25 times in the New Testament — always negatively, and always referring to illicit sexual conduct outside of covenant marriage.

8. "It’s just gossip and church culture that causes harm" — Classic deflection. This is the emotional close: “see how bad your theology is? It hurts people.” But the harm doesn’t come from calling sin what it is. “The truth sets people free” — not the absence of truth. It’s not gossip to call a thing what God calls it. If people feel conviction, that’s between them and God — not your fault for quoting Scripture.

 

[Jay Ross]

Not at the same time.

Sorry, but I did not say that. What I had posted was from the scriptures.

It seems that you have a desired outcome, by your post making this claim which is not supported by the scriptures I referenced.

Shalom

 

[Grailhunter]

1. Porneía is a biblical term — and it does mean sexual immorality outside of covenant marriage. It’s used over 25 times in the New Testament, and always in condemnation, not neutral description. It includes pre-marital sex (1 Corinthians 7:2), incest (1 Corinthians 5:1), adultery (Matthew 5:32), and general sexual immorality (Galatians 5:19, Ephesians 5:3). If porneía only meant "prostitution," why would Paul write, “Flee porneía. Every other sin is outside the body” (1 Corinthians 6:18)? You can’t limit porneía to Roman norms. Paul wasn’t teaching Greek sexual ethics — he was confronting them with God’s moral law.

2. "Porneía just meant prostitution, not immoral sex" — Flat-Out False. Porneía was used widely in ancient Greek — not just to mean prostitution. It covers pre-marital sex (1 Corinthians 7:2: “because of porneía, let each man have his own wife”), incest (1 Corinthians 5:1 — a man with his father’s wife — Paul uses porneía for this), and general sexual immorality (Matthew 15:19, Galatians 5:19, Ephesians 5:3). If porneía only meant “literal prostitution,” then why would Paul command believers to flee it and contrast it with holy marriage? “Flee porneía. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.” (1 Corinthians 6:18). That’s not temple prostitution. That’s a universal principle about all sex outside of God’s boundaries.

πορνεια πορνεία πορνείᾳ πορνειαι πορνείαι πορνεῖαι πορνείαις πορνειαν πορνείαν πορνειας πορνείας πορνείόν porneia porneía porneiai porneíāi porneîai porneian porneían porneias porneías

porneíā Prostitution. for the Romans not immoral…..just sex for money.

For the Christians immoral.
πορνείᾱ • (porneíā) f (genitive πορνείᾱς); first declension
whoring, prostitution, provision of sex for money
whoring, sexual immority behavior similar to a whore

Pornography comes from the Hellenistic Greek adjective πορνογράϕος (pornographos), literally meaning relating to writing or drawings about prostitutes.

So what is your point?

 

[Grailhunter]

6. "Sex equals marriage" ignores Paul, Jesus, and Hebrews 13:4. Let’s revisit the verse you conveniently ignore or twist: “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but fornicators (pornos) and adulterers (moichos) God will judge.” (Hebrews 13:4). If sex itself equals marriage, then there’d be no such thing as fornication. But this verse clearly distinguishes between the marriage bed (blessed and honorable) and fornication/adultery (judged and condemned). That destroys your entire thesis in one verse.

Yeap there is no such thing as fornication in the Bible. The words wed and wedding do not appear in the scriptures either. No requirement of a wedding in the Bible. Wedding ceremonies are all Pagan customs. Christianity adopted wedding ceremonies when Gentiles entered Christianity. At that point wedding were voluntary. In the 16th century Protestants made church weddings requirement to be married. Modern Christian weddings still have Pagan customs imbedded in them.

 

[Grailhunter]

8. "It’s just gossip and church culture that causes harm" — Classic deflection. This is the emotional close: “see how bad your theology is? It hurts people.” But the harm doesn’t come from calling sin what it is. “The truth sets people free” — not the absence of truth. It’s not gossip to call a thing what God calls it. If people feel conviction, that’s between them and God — not your fault for quoting Scripture.

Falsely accusing people of sin is a sin and can lead to Hell. Watch your mouth....But I tell you that for every careless word that people speak, they will give an account of it on the day of judgment.
Matthew 12:36

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

πορνεια πορνεία πορνείᾳ πορνειαι πορνείαι πορνεῖαι πορνείαις πορνειαν πορνείαν πορνειας πορνείας πορνείόν porneia porneía porneiai porneíāi porneîai porneian porneían porneias porneías

porneíā Prostitution. for the Romans not immoral…..just sex for money.

For the Christians immoral.
πορνείᾱ • (porneíā) f (genitive πορνείᾱς); first declension
whoring, prostitution, provision of sex for money
whoring, sexual immority behavior similar to a whore

Pornography comes from the Hellenistic Greek adjective πορνογράϕος (pornographos), literally meaning relating to writing or drawings about prostitutes.

So what is your point?

You just listed Greek inflections of porneía without addressing anything I said.

Yes, porneía literally relates to prostitution in its linguistic roots — no one disputes that. But you’re confusing etymology with usage. That’s a basic exegetical mistake. The question is not what the word originated from, but how the inspired New Testament authors used it.

And the answer is clear: they used porneía to refer broadly to sexual immorality, not merely paid sex.

Let’s go back to the actual biblical texts — which you still haven’t addressed.

In 1 Corinthians 5:1, Paul uses porneía to describe a man sleeping with his father’s wife. That’s not prostitution. That’s incest — and Paul still calls it porneía.

In 1 Corinthians 7:2, Paul says, “because of porneía, each man should have his own wife.” Again — not about prostitution. It’s about avoiding pre-marital sexual immorality by entering a legitimate covenant marriage.

In Acts 15:20, the apostles instruct Gentile converts to abstain from porneía as a foundational moral requirement — not “don’t visit prostitutes,” but a general prohibition on the sexually immoral lifestyle common in pagan culture.

Your own definition admits this: “whoring, sexual immorality behavior similar to a whore.” That alone proves the point. It’s not just “sex for money,” it’s any sexual activity outside covenantal faithfulness, particularly in the Christian context where marriage is holy and the bed undefiled (Hebrews 13:4).

You keep arguing like a Roman — but the New Testament wasn’t written to validate Roman values. Paul, Peter, and James weren’t affirming Greco-Roman sexual norms; they were confronting and condemning them with the moral law of God.

So again — what’s your point?
If it's that porneía started out meaning prostitution, fine. That’s not in dispute.

But the Holy Spirit didn’t use it in a vacuum. He used it consistently to describe all sexual immorality — incest, adultery, pre-marital sex, idolatrous temple sex — anything outside of God’s design.

You’re proving nothing except that you’re willing to ignore how the apostles actually used the word — because its plain meaning confronts your position head-on.

Stop quoting dictionaries like they outrank Scripture.

Don’t just play games with Greek words — deal with how the inspired writers used them within the context of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

And before you pivot to polygamy — don’t bother. Yes, it existed in the Old Testament, but it was never God’s ideal. From the very beginning, the standard was clear: “a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife [singular], and the two shall become one flesh.” Jesus reaffirms that in Matthew 19, saying, “From the beginning it was not so.” Polygamy was tolerated for a time, like divorce — but Christ came to restore the original design. The New Covenant doesn’t lower the bar of sexual ethics — it raises it. So if your defense of sexual immorality relies on digging through ancient loopholes while ignoring the teachings of Christ and His apostles, then you're not defending truth. You're just resisting it.