Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

[face2face]

Okay, I am going to shed some light:

Man--even Jesus--is created in the "image" of God, even if only "an image dimly." Thus your above "Jesus has a God" hypothesis, is like saying: "The image in a mirror reflects an object in front of it."

Well, duh! But apparently you do not understand what you have said, or the simplicity of what is written.

Your use of the analogy is far from accurate, as it seems to be based on Hebrews 1, which provides a different understanding.

Brightness (Gk. apaugasma) (1:3) Strong’s #541; Express Image (Gk. charaktēr) (1:3) Strong’s #5481:

These two terms appear only here in the New Testament!!!

The Greek word for brightness refers to the radiant brilliance that emanates from a glorious source of light (Yahweh), such as the beams of the sun. In this context, Christ is described as the effulgence of God’s glory—His radiant light, which reveals God’s glory to humanity (God Manifestation!). The Greek term translated as "express image" typically refers to the instrument used in engraving or stamping, but more commonly refers to the image that is engraved or stamped. Here, it means that Christ is the perfect representation of God's character. Christ is not the light source Himself; rather, as a light bearer, Christ became the source of light through His obedience and death and resurrection.

The engraved character requires an engraver (God), and the imprint can never be the imprinter who created it!

The same will be said of the saints and being in Christ's likeness but this is beyond your understanding.

We are speaking of the hidden things of God.

F2F

 

[ScottA]

Your use of the analogy is far from accurate, as it seems to be based on Hebrews 1, which provides a different understanding.

Brightness (Gk. apaugasma) (1:3) Strong’s #541; Express Image (Gk. charaktēr) (1:3) Strong’s #5481:

These two terms appear only here in the New Testament!!!

The Greek word for brightness refers to the radiant brilliance that emanates from a glorious source of light (Yahweh), such as the beams of the sun. In this context, Christ is described as the effulgence of God’s glory—His radiant light, which reveals God’s glory to humanity (God Manifestation!). The Greek term translated as "express image" typically refers to the instrument used in engraving or stamping, but more commonly refers to the image that is engraved or stamped. Here, it means that Christ is the perfect representation of God's character. Christ is not the light source Himself; rather, as a light bearer, Christ became the source of light through His obedience and death and resurrection.

The engraved character requires an engraver (God), and the imprint can never be the imprinter who created it!

The same will be said of the saints and being in Christ's likeness but this is beyond your understanding.

We are speaking of the hidden things of God.

F2F

I have given you the clear word from God, but you have obscured it again with men's philosophies. But it was not a contest, it was a gift, one you have refused. So be it.

 

[face2face]

@ScottA

Lets assume for the moment the Apostles belived Jesus is God....

Romans 1:4 would make no sense whatsoever!

Thus he became so far better than the angels as he has inherited a name superior to theirs. Heb 1:4.

The Son is better than the angels , holding a higher rank , as He sits at the right hand of God (v. 3) and recieved an eternal inheritance. He has received a name far greater than that of the angels.

Is this how you would describe the Almighty God Scott?

F2F

 

[face2face]

I have given you the clear word from God, but you have obscured it again with men's philosophies. But it was not a contest, it was a gift, one you have refused. So be it.

No, what you've provided is what others (men) have taught you.
F2F

 

[ScottA]

@ScottA

Lets assume for the moment the Apostles belived Jesus is God....

Romans 1:4 would make no sense whatsoever!

Thus he became so far better than the angels as he has inherited a name superior to theirs. Heb 1:4.

The Son is better than the angels , holding a higher rank , as He sits at the right hand of God (v. 3) and recieved an eternal inheritance. He has received a name far greater than that of the angels.
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Have you not understood anything I said?

Go look in a mirror. Do it.

Are you not the same person--except one is an "image" (just as stated by God from the beginning) and the other is not?

...Now, since you have need of this elementary exercise: Write something about the image in the mirror...and then say "It is written." Who are the words about--one person, two? Are there two people in your bathroom, one on each side of the mirror? Are both the same, or different? But you wrote about the image person and not the one creating the image? Apparently, even you could right about your own image person, and not actually be referring to the you that is not in the mirror.

Now, give that person a name. And in doing so, is that not the greatest name of anyone in your bathroom? Does the image in the mirror have a person--like Jesus has a God?

Is any of this making any sense to you? Do you know what an "image" is? Do you know who Jesus (the image with a name) is the image of?

 

[ScottA]

No, what you've provided is what others (men) have taught you.
F2F

THAT IS A LIE.

 

[face2face]

Have you not understood anything I said?

Go look in a mirror. Do it.

Your exegesis is flawed!

Using the mirror analogy assumes the person in the mirror is a literal being with character and not just a mere reflection of me!

The engraving is a better analogy - try that and come back to me

Are you not the same person--except one is an "image" (just as stated by God from the beginning) and the other is not?

...Now, since you have need of this elementary exercise: Write something about the image in the mirror...and then say "It is written." Who are the words about--one person, two? Are there two people in your bathroom, one on each side of the mirror? Are both the same, or different? But you wrote about the image person and not the one creating the image? Apparently, even you could right about your own image person, and not actually be referring to the you that is not in the mirror.

Now, give that person a name. And in doing so, is that not the greatest name of anyone in your bathroom? Does the image in the mirror have a person--like Jesus has a God?

Is any of this making any sense to you? Do you know what an "image" is? Do you know who Jesus (the image with a name) is the image of?

Not a single Bible verse or reference—it's astounding how deceived someone can become by their own actions!

This approach has led you to this point, and the only way out is to gaze into the Mirror of God.

For if someone listens to the message but doesn't put it into practice, he is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror, and after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looked like. (James 1:23-24)

Look closely, Scott, and keep looking until your error is revealed to you. Don't come back until you can accurately recall it's truth!

F2F

 

[ScottA]

Your exegesis is flawed!

Using the mirror analogy assumes the person in the mirror is a literal being with character and not just a mere reflection of me!

The engraving is a better analogy - try that and come back to me


Not a single Bible verse or reference—it's astounding how deceived someone can become by their own actions!

This approach has led you to this point, and the only way out is to gaze into the Mirror of God.

For if someone listens to the message but doesn't put it into practice, he is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror, and after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looked like. (James 1:23-24)

Look closely, Scott, and keep looking until your error is revealed to you. Don't come back until you can accurately recall it's truth!

F2F

I am not going to go on and on. I have no exegesis.

God said man is an "image" of God. Why do you not believe Him?

 

[face2face]

I am not going to go on and on. I have no exegesis.

God said man is an "image" of God. Why do you not believe Him?

Correct, but man was made from the earth, as Paul taught. So, in what way was man created in the image and likeness of God?

It wasn't in nature, so in what way, then?

Do you believe Adam was made as a perfect reflection of God?

I'm confident you'll come to understand how God raised Jesus to be an obedient Son and how He developed that image and likeness in His Son. After all, Christ grew in wisdom! Perhaps that’s a clue to what "image and likeness" implies in Genesis 1.

F2F