Put two and two together:

[Suhar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0DTT3u2JZ8

and

http://www.reuters.com/video/2014/01/02/former-israeli-leader-sharons-condition?videoId=276285060&videoChannel=1

 

[veteran]

Quite amazing.

That event will simply do the same thing, those who misinterpret the timing of our Lord's return will also misinterpret that timing too, and will fall away to the coming pseudo-messiah that comes prior to Jesus' second coming.

The pact for Jerualem for the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9 is still yet to come. And though our Lord Jesus said He shortened the time of the coming great tribulation, that doesn't mean He cut out that event of the coming false one and the placing of the abomination that makes the temple desolate.

So "very soon" requires those above events as written to happen beforehand, for The LORD will not go back on what He said, especially since it will divide true worshippers from the false.

 

[Suhar]

I just found it very compelling. Who could possibly convince rabbi of rabbis that name of Messiah is Jesus othen then God Himself? Denial of Jesus's divinity is the foundation of post-coming Judaism!

I wish we knew what exactly "shortly after" means in second part of his message.

 

[veteran]

I just found it very compelling. Who could possibly convince rabbi of rabbis that name of Messiah is Jesus othen then God Himself? Denial of Jesus's divinity is the foundation of post-coming Judaism!

I wish we knew what exactly "shortly after" means in second part of his message.

The English name Joshua is a transliteration of what the Greek name Jesus is in the Hebrew. The word for "salvation" in Hebrew actually is our Lord Jesus' name in the Hebrew (Yeshuw'ah). Christ's name 'Jesus' is from Greek Iesous which is the equivalent to Yeshuw'a (or Yahshu'a) in the Hebrew, and Jesus (Iesous) means Jehovah is Salvation coming from the Hebrew meaning. So in reality, Christ's name in Hebrew, Greek, or English cannot be disconnected from The Father's Name (like Yah or Yehovah).

I suppose what will happen among them is those who go back and study about Messiah in the OT prophets more, and begin to consider Jesus' Mission and the events of His crucifixion and death in their own records may... begin to have their eyes opened. But that's still just the first step. They still would have to come to the faith of it and believe it too. And then there's still the matter of the coming pseudo-messiah to Jerusalem that will appear prior to Jesus' coming. So they would have to know about that coming prophecy too, and understand it. Because of those factors I see less of them coming to the Truth of it. But definitely appears our Lord Jesus has given them a specific opportunity not given to others in these times.

 

[Tropical Islander]

There is a specific day mentioned:

Ezekiel 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

to get a better idea what the season is like when "from that day and forward" occures, its best to read all of Ezekiel 38 and 39.

It goes hand in hand with:

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

and another relevant time indicator:

Jeremiah 50:4 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.

They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.

Jeremiah 50:20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

Jeremiah 50 and 51 talks about events that happen at the same time, indicated by "in those days". Meaning when these things happen in those days, then they will seek the Lord and find him. What then ties directly into Ezekiel 39:22. In Jeremiah 50/51 we learn that it will be the time of judgment of current days babylon, also known as daughter of babylon.

 

[veteran]

There is a specific day mentioned:

Ezekiel 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

to get a better idea what the season is like when "from that day and forward" occures, its best to read all of Ezekiel 38 and 39.

It goes hand in hand with:

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

and another relevant time indicator:

Jeremiah 50:4 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.

They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.

Jeremiah 50:20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

Jeremiah 50 and 51 talks about events that happen at the same time, indicated by "in those days". Meaning when these things happen in those days, then they will seek the Lord and find him. What then ties directly into Ezekiel 39:22. In Jeremiah 50/51 we learn that it will be the time of judgment of current days babylon, also known as daughter of babylon.

The timing of all that is actually after Christ's return though, i.e., after the great tribulation time He mentioned. That is when the seed of Israel will finally 'know' the Truth and those who refused Jesus will be in a condition of spiritual shame, which Zechariah covers that point also.

 

[Tropical Islander]

Not so fast, there are more parallels in all of this.

Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

The same thing as in Jeremiah 50 and 51. A double event, Babylon's time is up, the day of her visitation has come. Israel also is attacked, and they will turn to the Lord after or most likely during that time. And they will cry to the Lord and also cry about their own purging and the judgment of Babylon. There is no more Babylon in the millennium, today however there is.

Zechariah 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

Isaiah 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

Jeremiah 51:33 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.

Who is she?

Jeremiah's Babylon is a nation by definition that has a few characteristics that distinguish her from others:

She has another nation as a mother that is still around to see her daughter fall - Jeremiah 50:12 Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.

She is the executioner or 'dominant military force' among the nations - Jeremiah 50:23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!

She has a mingled people from many nations living in her that are asked to come out and leave at time of her attack. God also speaks to saints living in Babylon that are asked to leave as well at that time, and let Jerusalem come into their mind as a destination.

She is the dominant merchant nation of the world, influencing all the world - Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

She is directly responsible for the war that comes to Israel, and all the world. - Jeremiah 51:49 As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth.

If anyone cannot see who she is, read the scriptures. It is so obvious, except if you went through a Bible seminary that teaches that she is someone else.

 

[veteran]

Not so fast, there are more parallels in all of this.

Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

The same thing as in Jeremiah 50 and 51. A double event, Babylon's time is up, the day of her visitation has come. Israel also is attacked, and they will turn to the Lord after or most likely during that time. And they will cry to the Lord and also cry about their own purging and the judgment of Babylon. There is no more Babylon in the millennium, today however there is.

Zechariah 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

Isaiah 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

Jeremiah 51:33 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.

Who is she?

Jeremiah's Babylon is a nation by definition that has a few characteristics that distinguish her from others:

She has another nation as a mother that is still around to see her daughter fall - Jeremiah 50:12 Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.

She is the executioner or 'dominant military force' among the nations - Jeremiah 50:23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!

She has a mingled people from many nations living in her that are asked to come out and leave at time of her attack. God also speaks to saints living in Babylon that are asked to leave as well at that time, and let Jerusalem come into their mind as a destination.

She is the dominant merchant nation of the world, influencing all the world - Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

She is directly responsible for the war that comes to Israel, and all the world. - Jeremiah 51:49 As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth.

If anyone cannot see who she is, read the scriptures. It is so obvious, except if you went through a Bible seminary that teaches that she is someone else.

If America were the endtime Babylon like some think per that, then why is she NOT in the list of nations in Ezek.38 that come up against Israel? America is not allied with radical Isalmic nations.

 

[Tropical Islander]

Look carefully at what the controlled media didn't tell us, just the last part of 2013:

over 120.000 people slaughterd in Syria because of US foreign policy, directly backing the people that are killing the Christians

Egypt brotherhood now declared a terrorist organisation, 30.000 people died, financed by US

US is still trying to revamp them, against the law in Egypt, now sponsering a declared terrorist organisation,

Morsi in prison, after trained in US and installed by US administration, in an attempt to built up the enemies of Israel. Same goal as everwhere in the middle east, moderate dictators have to go, extreme radical ones are installed.

Now Kerry is on the way to Israel to split the land further (Westbank) to make it undefendable against the terrorists. All under the cover of "peace" negotiations. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nobody does more than America currently to bring Israel into that position I was talking about in my last 2 posts.

No wonder actually with the spirit of Gog in the whitehouse and surrounded by brotherhood advisors.

 

[veteran]

Look carefully at what the controlled media didn't tell us, just the last part of 2013:

over 120.000 people slaughterd in Syria because of US foreign policy, directly backing the people that are killing the Christians

Egypt brotherhood now declared a terrorist organisation, 30.000 people died, financed by US

US is still trying to revamp them, against the law in Egypt, now sponsering a declared terrorist organisation,

Morsi in prison, after trained in US and installed by US administration, in an attempt to built up the enemies of Israel. Same goal as everwhere in the middle east, moderate dictators have to go, extreme radical ones are installed.

Now Kerry is on the way to Israel to split the land further (Westbank) to make it undefendable against the terrorists. All under the cover of "peace" negotiations. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nobody does more than America currently to bring Israel into that position I was talking about in my last 2 posts.

No wonder actually with the spirit of Gog in the whitehouse and surrounded by brotherhood advisors.

Like I said, WHERE is America in the list of Ezekiel 38 nations that are to come upon Israel on the last day of this world?

NONE of the western Christian nations are on that Ezekiel 38 list. So what does that mean?

It means you're listening to propaganda by the very ones who are against God's Israel, for those of God's people in the western Christian nations ARE... His people too and represent His Israel in the West. God's enemies well know this, which is why the western nations have been under attack for a long time by those nations on that Ezek.38 list, but apparently you have missed this point brother.

Furthermore, the OT prophets about Ephraim in the end is not a favorable prophecy, which is why Ephraim is not in the list of the 12 tribes of Israel being sealed for the end per Revelation 7. Ephraim represents the western leadership over the western Christian nations today. So if they have gone corrupt by aligning with God's enemies, that is how Satan's workers are creeping in. Yet it NEVER... means that God's people which fall under their controls agree with them or are part of their working. The leaders of Ephraim are weak today, and that's part of how God's Plan for the end is going to play out with the coming pseudo-messiah.

So in Summary:

You are 'keying' on western leaders that have gone in corruption, and that does NOT mean all peoples living in the western Christian nations!!!

If you want to hate... America and its Christian foundations and history just because of what those false leaders are doing, then you may as well hate all of God's people, because 'we' are still here in the Christian west, and we will NOT agree to what those false leaders are doing, not now, and not in the future. Quit leaning towards absolutist type thinking that if a leadership is bad then all the people must be bad, and instead open your eyes.

 

[Tropical Islander]

Who says that anybobdy hates anybody else? Just because America is killing a lot of people currently does not mean they couldn't repent potentially. Everybody is given a chance to repent from their sins.

To answer your question where is America in Ezekiel 38? It is here:

Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

Gog the nation goes two ways at the same time. Down to Israel, and UP across the northpole to the land of unwalled villages. You thought that was Israel? Try again, take "cattle" as a marker, no cattle in the midst of Israel and "neither bar nor gates" as markers that should tell you something. People out of the nations, another marker.

You missed my remark about Jeremiah 50/51 = same double event is there in more clear text, you cannot miss it. Once you drop your emotions.

You're not a newbie, so you understand Pike's plan to destroy Israel and Christianity at the same time. America is the harlot that sells their own children and brightest men for this global cause, and the exact plan is before our very eyes ever since the "Arab Spring" started. Hillary declared it, and her boys working out that script in real life. However America will be judged at the same time by God as Israel the nation will be purged.

The difference is, Israel the nation will increase, America the nation will end. This is what the prophets say, it's not my personal opinion.

Your assumption I talk about people is also wrong, I talk about nations, that will follow their leaders, what is unavoidable. The last time we had something like current day America, was when the German national socialist empire had similar ambitions, that for some reason also was supported by the German protestants, catholics and pentecostals. They could see as far as Americans today while "under the influence". Of course they have been asked the question "why didn't you see it coming and did something against it?" for 50 years after the second world war ended. What is a very good question, isn't it.

Everyone else in Europe could clearly see it coming, but not most Germans, thanks to national pride that makes people blind as a bat. Same thing is even stronger in America today. You still regard the old America, I also know, as a valid view of current reality, you must have missed the change that currently turns the country in the perceived biggest threat to world peace. If you have some common sense you will find out that the US now basically tops the global rogue list:

Global poll : US is the greatest threat to world peace. A survey carried out by Worldwide Independent Network/Gallup International found that the U.S. is perceived as the greatest threat to world peace. The annual end of year poll collected opinions from some 68,000 people in 65 countries.

 

[veteran]

Who says that anybobdy hates anybody else? Just because America is killing a lot of people currently does not mean they couldn't repent potentially. Everybody is given a chance to repent from their sins.

Just because WHO... is killing a lot of people???

You can take your FALSE ACCUSATIONS about America and put them in a hog trough, for that... is where they belong!

 

[Tropical Islander]

You seem to not understand the difference between an accusation and the statement of facts. I'm not usually in the position to explain the sin of a rogue nation that sponsors terrorists that then kill Christians like the ones in Syria to one of its citizens that will eventually be caught in the conflict of it. I leave that to God, and his prophets.

I just try to encourage you to get access to some real information to be able to understand why God gave you this current administration and for what purpose. It's a judgment that has a reason and will lead into the time of Jacob's trouble and the time of the AC and his NWO rule. What is at the doors. Even micro-chipping is already part of the the law of the land, hidden deep inside oba-care valid since January 1st 2014. It will take at least a year to implement the first stage of it, and more time to enforce it. But its here already.

Syria was almost invaded by US forces recently, maybe you should get some real facts who kills all the people there, and why, and who pays them to do so, instead of falling for the propaganda of the media that gives the justification to you why they would even have a right to be there. Same like in all the other Arab spring nations. Just because the UN and US interventions are still "tolerated" right now, does not mean this will continue into the future. There is still a God that has mercy on his creation and brings evil doers to justice.

While you're at it getting some background information, you could also include other topics, like "exporting sodomy" i.e. Who forced Costa Rica into acceptance of gay marriages? Yes, who made that "deal"? It's part of the puzzle to get to the point of: Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

Now places like Nicaragua that prohibits abortions and same sex marriages, or Russia that also not yet softened on the gay issue are the blessed ones of the moment that are raised up and strengthened by God for a purpose. Jeremiah tells us that purpose.

 

[veteran]

You seem to not understand the difference between an accusation and the statement of facts. I'm not usually in the position to explain the sin of a rogue nation that sponsors terrorists that then kill Christians like the ones in Syria to one of its citizens that will eventually be caught in the conflict of it. I leave that to God, and his prophets.

I just try to encourage you to get access to some real information to be able to understand why God gave you this current administration and for what purpose. It's a judgment that has a reason and will lead into the time of Jacob's trouble and the time of the AC and his NWO rule. What is at the doors. Even micro-chipping is already part of the the law of the land, hidden deep inside oba-care valid since January 1st 2014. It will take at least a year to implement the first stage of it, and more time to enforce it. But its here already.

Syria was almost invaded by US forces recently, maybe you should get some real facts who kills all the people there, and why, and who pays them to do so, instead of falling for the propaganda of the media that gives the justification to you why they would even have a right to be there. Same like in all the other Arab spring nations. Just because the UN and US interventions are still "tolerated" right now, does not mean this will continue into the future. There is still a God that has mercy on his creation and brings evil doers to justice.

While you're at it getting some background information, you could also include other topics, like "exporting sodomy" i.e. Who forced Costa Rica into acceptance of gay marriages? Yes, who made that "deal"? It's part of the puzzle to get to the point of: Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

Now places like Nicaragua that prohibits abortions and same sex marriages, or Russia that also not yet softened on the gay issue are the blessed ones of the moment that are raised up and strengthened by God for a purpose. Jeremiah tells us that purpose.

Get in line about America, you've got a long... long... long list of nations with murderous leaderships throughout their history before you even get.... to AMERICA!!! And those nations are NOT EVEN IN THE WEST!

That's why the garbage you're putting out is just that, garbage!

 

[Tropical Islander]

"Get in line about America" No thank you, I'm a Christian.

Its unfortunate that you ran out of arguments a few posts ago, and now offer such phrases as these, revealing unfortunately.

Fine, let's assume the warnings to America have ended because she cannot hear the truth anymore and maybe someone else got some understanding out of the reality check I presented.

The path over the next few years will get very narrow, you will not be able to squeeze yourself through being both Christian AND American. Jesus said it's impossible to serve two masters.

You have to let go of one.

 

[lforrest]

Ariel Sharon has died.