Protestant Leaders and the pope

[bbyrd009]

Where, please ?

ah, ok; it is hard to find because it is buried on purpose, i guess. Joseph certainly went to collect the body, Mark 15:43, but what he actually got from Pilate was the carcass, in Mark 15:45, trippy huh
Mark 15:45 Lexicon: And ascertaining this from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph.
carcass | lifebearingwilderness

"Joseph of Arimathea"
to put some more links in here that i guess i'll be looking for in a year lol

 

[Helen]

Judges 14...Samson ,lions carcass

 

[LoverofChrist]

Some of us don't like the current Pope to although what this thread seems to imply is wrong.

 

[pia]

ok well dang, Joseph of Arimathea collected a soma, body

Well, of course He was a body until He was resurrected, which happened in the tomb....But some were referring to His body as a 'relic', as if the body was still there even after His resurrection, which it was not, since He is still able to use that form...As well as what is written in the Bible

 

[pia]

ah, ok; it is hard to find because it is buried on purpose, i guess. Joseph certainly went to collect the body, Mark 15:43, but what he actually got from Pilate was the carcass, in Mark 15:45, trippy huh
Mark 15:45 Lexicon: And ascertaining this from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph.
carcass | lifebearingwilderness

"Joseph of Arimathea"
to put some more links in here that i guess i'll be looking for in a year lol

Ok but that is a far cry from His body being portrayed as a 'relic'....A carcass is usually used about animals, so to me it's a bit rude to call His body that, while it was a dead body, which didn't last for long.

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, of course He was a body until He was resurrected, which happened in the tomb....But some were referring to His body as a 'relic', as if the body was still there even after His resurrection, which it was not, since He is still able to use that form...As well as what is written in the Bible

ok well that post was nullified later, right, Joseph actually did not collect a body, but a carcass

 

[bbyrd009]

Ok but that is a far cry from His body being portrayed as a 'relic'

actually the opposite i would say, yes. The body is not even there anymore, iow, Jo went to collect a body, but got a carcass instead iow

A carcass is usually used about animals, so to me it's a bit rude to call His body that

yet there it is, right there in the Book, right

while it was a dead body, which didn't last for long.

it was a carcass, and was never the Body again, i'm pretty sure. We are the Body of Christ now. Of course the symbology demands that He resurrect and manifest, in order to ascend, but it is installed that Christ was then in His "glorified body" at that point, essentially a Spirit already, "don't touch Me," etc

 

[Helen]

Carcass, body...it doesn't matter either way...Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus..both 'secret followers' took the body and did all that needed doing before burial. "...brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight. 40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand."

END of the earthly body of Jesus because He gloriously resurrected in 3 days....appeared a few times...then finally He ascended in that body.
He left no body or carcass behind.
His physical body became a glorified body. Changed, in a twinkling of an eye.

 

[bbyrd009]

Samson

obv a type for Christ, The amazing name Samson: meaning and etymology
hmm, didn't know the sun, Sol, was never mentioned in the Creation acct, interesting

 

[bbyrd009]

Some of us don't like the current Pope to although what this thread seems to imply is wrong.

man, i love the guy lol, anyone with the stones to declare capitalism/fascism sin is ok with me lol. Not sure how he still allows "fascist mass" to be conducted by RCC priests, seems to be out the other side of the mouth, but whatever

 

[bbyrd009]

Carcass, body...it doesn't matter either way

ah, then why do you suppose the distinction was made?

 

[bbyrd009]

Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus..both 'secret followers' took the body

carcass, you mean, right. the Body was somewhere else, i guess

 

[pia]

ok well that post was nullified later, right, Joseph actually did not collect a body, but a carcass

So purely because of who ever sat and tried to translate the bible used the word carcass, they want to call Jesus' body a carcass ? I still believe that is a more appropriate term for an animal 'body'.

 

[pia]

t Christ was then in His "glorified body"

Now I kinda see where you're coming from....I cannot attest to the fact that the body which He is able to manifest these days, is the same body that He walked around in while here....But a body He certainly does have, or at least the ability to manifest in one...

 

[Helen]

So purely because of who ever sat and tried to translate the bible used the word carcass, they want to call Jesus' body a carcass ? I still believe that is a more appropriate term for an animal 'body'.

agree...neither do I understand why body 'needs' to be changed to carcass... why does us agreeing or disagreeing make any difference ?
Jesus "laid down His life" ...what more makes any difference?
Do you know? For I sure do not. Haha!

 

[pia]

Jesus "laid down His life"

You're so right....It has no bearing either way what anyone calls His temporary remains...I think I misunderstood something from the start, in that I thought someone believed that His body stayed here somehow ( dead), thus becoming a relic......Like the catholic church used to sell pieces of wood from the supposed cross, or nails from it, as relics.....I was mistaken.....

 

[Helen]

You're so right....It has no bearing either way what anyone calls His temporary remains...I think I misunderstood something from the start, in that I thought someone believed that His body stayed here somehow ( dead), thus becoming a relic......Like the catholic church used to sell pieces of wood from the supposed cross, or nails from it, as relics.....I was mistaken.....

Yes, agree...just 72 hours!! It hardly matters of importance what His body was called for that short a time!! After that..it "was not"...that's why the soldier guards were so worried...the body had vanished from sight.

 

[bbyrd009]

So purely because of who ever sat and tried to translate the bible used the word carcass, they want to call Jesus' body a carcass ?

well, i would say that it's the other way around; the original--or what has been established to be a faithful copy, anyway--states that Jo of A went to collect a body, but he got a carcass; it is the translations that are not faithful to the original.

I still believe that is a more appropriate term for an animal 'body'.

exactly, wherein a message is being given, that the translations have edited out, see.
Jo did not collect Christ's Body, is the sense given in the original; he collected a carcass, and it is carcass for a reason.
And even in the Lex this will often not be seen by reading the English, but the Strong's has to be used @ the relevant word;
Mark 15:45 When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph.
Mark 15:45 Lexicon: And ascertaining this from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. (ptoma in the transliteration, rather than soma, the word normally expected there))
Strong's Greek: 4430. πτῶμα (ptóma) -- a fall, hence a misfortune, ruin (carcass, corpse, dead body, etc)

 

[bbyrd009]

Now I kinda see where you're coming from....I cannot attest to the fact that the body which He is able to manifest these days, is the same body that He walked around in while here....But a body He certainly does have, or at least the ability to manifest in one...

He does; in us. We are the Body of Christ now, which--the argument goes--is why Jo could only collect a carcass

but see, the same guy who never "preaches" on Nehushtan will also not be "preaching" about carcasses, i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

You're so right....It has no bearing either way what anyone calls His temporary remains...I think I misunderstood something from the start, in that I thought someone believed that His body stayed here somehow ( dead), thus becoming a relic......Like the catholic church used to sell pieces of wood from the supposed cross, or nails from it, as relics.....I was mistaken.....

oh, that happened too, see, the Catholics have His Body still on the cross, the Prots mostly all have His Body coming back to save them again or whatever, storing manna for tomorrow, or worshipping Jesus, all kinda vultures gathered around the carcass, just like the Book says