Problems with the New Earth?

[friend of]

Revelation 21:1-5 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 22:2-3 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

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QUESTION: If there is no more curse in the new earth, then why would the leaves of the tree need to be used to heal the nations? Wouldn't the nations be saved and healed by Jesus Christ at the moment he makes all things new? Why does a new earth need to be created when we have heaven?

 

[Enoch111]

If there is no more curse in the new earth, then why would the leaves of the tree need to be used to heal the nations?

Good question, but we must leave the answer to God. There are some things which God has seen fit to obscure.

Why does a new earth need to be created when we have heaven?

Because the earth was never meant to be a cesspool of sin and evil. God has allowed sin and evil for a season, but for eternity there will be a New Earth and only the righteous will dwell on it.

Given the fact that a thousand years are as but a day in the sight of God, approximately six *days* have been allotted for the earth being under a curse. After that there will be no more curse on earth.

 

[CoreIssue]

The earth was always intended to be the home of man, not heaven.

Healing

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 2322 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
qerapeiva from (2323)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Therapeia 3:131,331
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ther-ap-i'-ah Noun Feminine
Definition

1. service rendered by one to another
2. spec. medical service: curing, healing
3. household service
   1. body of attendants, servants, domestics

Nations
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1484 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
e[qnoß probably from (1486)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Ethnos 2:364,201
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
eth'-nos Noun Neuter
Definition

1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together
   1. a company, troop, swarm
2. a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus
   1. the human family
3. a tribe, nation, people group
4. in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles
5. Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

 

[ScottA]

Revelation 21:1-5 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 22:2-3 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

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QUESTION: If there is no more curse in the new earth, then why would the leaves of the tree need to be used to heal the nations? Wouldn't the nations be saved and healed by Jesus Christ at the moment he makes all things new? Why does a new earth need to be created when we have heaven?

That is what happens when inspired men write the things of God to men in their own language, and men read it in their own language, both of which are of the world. Much gets lost in translation.

I would ask you a question: How would you go about writing the timeless and eternal things of God that have no timeline, on a timeline?

The answer is...and most of us have done this very thing with our own children: We would give some elaborate make believe answer that will suffice until our child is mature enough to understand...and that is what the written word of God is. It is a children's book.

But "all truth" comes by the Spirit.

So, as long as men discuss scriptures, we remain as children.

Fortunately, even though most are, not all are stuck in that elementary place.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Revelation 21:1-5 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 22:2-3 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

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QUESTION: If there is no more curse in the new earth, then why would the leaves of the tree need to be used to heal the nations? Wouldn't the nations be saved and healed by Jesus Christ at the moment he makes all things new? Why does a new earth need to be created when we have heaven?

The curse is what is healed. The tree of life is Christ and we must eat of Him now. We must eat of Him to be healed and a part of the new heaven and new earth. John 6:48-51 I am that bread of life. [49] Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

We must be given a change of raiment. Zechariah 3:3-4 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. [4] And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

How else will you enter? His word says it clearly: Revelation 21:26-27 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. [27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 22:1-2
[1] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. (The ‘living water’ so those the drink of it will never thirst again). When do you drink of this ‘living water’ ? John 7:37-38 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. [38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.


[2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

“on either side of the river” ... “was there the tree of life” “which bare twelve manner of fruits” ....Galatians 5:22-25
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Ephesians 5:8-10
[8] For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: [9] (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth [10] Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Fruit of the Spirit which ARE for the healing of the nations. Again: Revelation 21:24-26 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. [25] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. [26] And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

“...do bring their glory and Honour into it.”

“...they shall bring the glory and Honour of the nations into it.”

Where are they that they ‘go’ and ‘bring’?

 

[friend of]

Where are they that they ‘go’ and ‘bring’?

That's what I'm trying to figure out. The passages seem to suggest that we will be interacting with a new earth while residing in a new heaven. Why would a new heaven require glory and honor from the new earth? Is it a symbiotic relationship? Will the new earth have unfettered access to the new heaven in a way we don't currently have with heaven right now? I'm just trying to envision the deeper meaning behind the passages here

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. The passages seem to suggest that we will be interacting with a new earth while residing in a new heaven. Why would a new heaven require glory and honor from the new earth? Is it a symbiotic relationship? Will the new earth have unfettered access to the new heaven in a way we don't currently have with heaven right now? I'm just trying to envision the deeper meaning behind the passages here

It is now.
Jude 1:12
[12] These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

“...trees whose fruit withererth, without fruit” they have no living water.

Suggest studying (fig)leaves in the Word. Adam and Eve used leaves as cover. If you will research you will see God said He would wither man’s attempts at cover. Leaves as healing is the cover God provides that never withers.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. The passages seem to suggest that we will be interacting with a new earth while residing in a new heaven. Why would a new heaven require glory and honor from the new earth? Is it a symbiotic relationship? Will the new earth have unfettered access to the new heaven in a way we don't currently have with heaven right now? I'm just trying to envision the deeper meaning behind the passages here

Have to get off here now. Happy Thanksgiving! You ask good questions and are seeking. (Ask Him and He will show you clearly). John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

Please really consider:

Revelation 22:1
[1] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

You asked about the leaves for the healing of the nations? Same as the living water...one must drink of it(Him)to enter. John 7:37-38 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. [38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.