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Bobby Jo

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Still, I wonder how would Jesus have come to be crucified had it not been for that betrayal? ...

Dearest WS,

It seems to me that satan has a LOT of followers willing to do his bidding, -- and willing to share his eternal "kingdom" ... :confused:

With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo :)
 
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I've told you once, I've told you a million bazillion times before,.. we don't hold Trump savior of anything as Jesus is our only savior and that is blasphemy!! I'm with @Heart2Soul on this one,.. where's the bug spray!? :mad:

My apologies. What is Trump going to help you with then? Or save you from?
A fire fighter saves people from fires, he is a saviour of those caught in fire.
This is how I use the term saviour, a deliverer from a problem, not unique to Jesus.
Jesus saves us from the second death, the lake of fire. He saves us from the penalty of sin and forgives us through the cross. So how I am expressing myself within the meaning of the words I am using is not blasphemy.

The soldiers of WWII saved us from the tyranny of the Nazi regime and Hitler.
They were our saviours.

As I have met more people from that war, some unfortunately though they fought against Hitler were actually sympathetic to his philosophy and ideals. Because there are people in every community like this, we all have to be careful who we support and why. I personally am therefore sensitive to groups within democratic systems who seem to be displaying dictatorial signs and there is a danger of launching into a real dictatorship, even accidently. And this is an international concern and especially when evangelical believers seem so immeshed is this dilemma. And believe it or not, those who carry the name of Jesus directly affect me and who I meet every day. Their witness or lack of it, becomes a weapon they desire to confront me with, so I need to have an answer and understand how people who are my brothers and sisters in Christ have come to this place.

We are one body, one people following one Lord. That brings with it obligations and expectations.
I have learnt though, though I can come with a good heart some would rather I was in a coffin.

God bless you
 
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WaterSong

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Hey DWG,
I think that's what Kennedy thought, and BOTH paid that price; and Trump & Pence will ALSO pay their price (Rev. 11). And having satan come up from his pit will think he's FINALLY WON the Victory over the INSURMOUNTABLE TRUMP; -- but some 3 1/2 days later he'll see what he didn't anticipate!


With Very Best Regards,
Bobby Jo
I'll be waiting for that. :) Our God is an awesome God.
I won't believe he'll let a Demon and a Succubus be in the highest seats of power over we the people. They're both pro-abortion, even to late term when the baby is being delivered alive in the delivery room! And they're anti-Christian.
If they are God's plan it has to be a doozy. But I won't believe they are. I like your optimism. I'll be watching to see what happens. :)
 
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Dearest WS,

It seems to me that satan has a LOT of followers willing to do his bidding, -- and willing to share his eternal "kingdom" ... :confused:

With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo :)
Agreed. However, Jesus being crucified doomed Satan. Satan wouldn't be behind that.
 
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George is dead therefore it is murder.
That is what a preponderance of the evidence showed a District Attorney (DA), along with the video of George Floyd being suffocated to death slowly for nearly 8 minutes. All that and testimony before the grand jury led to an indictment of Derek Chauvin and his fellow accomplices who stood by and allowed an illegal hold, illegal because it can cause death, to proceed unabated by their actions.
Prayerfully a jury will render the verdict deserving so that 4 murderers are not let to go free. And Derek Chauvin then would have been successful in killing a man that he wanted dead for his own evil reasons.
Remember, Derek Chauvin had, prior to this last assault on a citizen that cost that citizen his life, at least 18 complaints against him for excessive force and 12 internal affairs investigations. And he was still allowed to serve behind the badge!

Law Enforcement training and standardizing procedures is something that needs to happen, but the George Floyd thing is not going to make that happen. There have been adjustments but it is mostly like the squeaky wheel gets the grease sort of thing. Standardization and training can only help but it is not going to fix all of the George Floyd scenarios.

Along with standardization and training that go into the standard procedures there needs to be Police unions that can have their say so the police can be protected. There is absolutely no reason to expect Law Enforcement to risk life or limb in the process of taking a large violent drugged up man into custody. It does not matter if the police officer is male or female...procedures need to address incapacitating the individual without physical contact, because armed police should not wrestle with suspects because their weapons can be taken and used against them or the public. That means that the person resisting arrest is going to take the brunt of the force and injury.

Most sensationalized arrests involve large drugged up black men resisting arrest. There is no way of making that look all cuddly. Night clubs look violent. Tasers look violent. Fighting looks violent. Bang, end of violence.

 

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Yeah, because death had lost!! :D
This is a quick read and a good little article about that. Jesus Death On The Cross Defeated Satan And His Works

John 12:27 Now my soul is greatly distressed. And what should I say? ‘Father, deliver me from this hour’? No, but for this very reason I have come to this hour. 28 Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that stood there and heard the voice said that it had thundered. Others said that an angel had spoken to him. 30 Jesus said, “This voice has not come for my benefit but for yours. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 (Now he said this to indicate clearly what kind of death he was going to die.)


34 Then the crowd responded, “We have heard from the law that the Christ will remain forever. How can you say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this Son of Man?” 35 Jesus replied, “The light is with you for a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, so that the darkness may not overtake you. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going. 36 While you have the light, believe in the light, so that you may become sons of light.” When Jesus had said these things, he went away and hid himself from them.
 
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Attorney General Bill Barr asked to resign and will be leaving his post.
I am not worried about the electoral college, we are well pasted being concerned about that.
And I do not think President Trump is concerned about the electoral college.
 

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Should we give up now?
What this clip did not dare to say and fabricated a lie instead, is that there were not really security issues in Michigan as they said. The Republican electors were barred from casting their votes for Trump because the Gov had the State police posted in front of the door to the building to ensure their votes could not be cast. Also, they failed to point out the real story, that there are now 4 States (GA, PA, GA, AZ) in contention because of the the Republican electors that voted for Trump . Biden has not technically reached 270 yet. Congress now has to address and solve this situation.
 
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