But I am right, keep talking and I'll prove it to where even you can see it. LOL
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But I am right, keep talking and I'll prove it to where even you can see it. LOL
St. SteVen
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You just shot yourself in the foot. (must hurt) Not yet actually.
What does the phrase "in Adam" mean then? (I asked this earlier) And you finally answered.
If "all in Christ" doesn't mean the entire human race, then neither does "all in Adam". Explain.
St. SteVen
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Michiah-Imla
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“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
“…the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
What’s there to debate here?
“…the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
What’s there to debate here?
Oh, Brother, you have no idea how many times ol' Charlie has shot himself in the foot. I don't want to go there, lol.
But we learn from our mistakes, right! We keep pressing for the mark of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus, right!
There's no shame in being wrong at times, the shame is not learning from our mistakes.
"All in Adam" is spiritual death, it has fallen on all men, that's why "there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
All in Christ is exactly what it says, "in Christ."
Look, read this with me, "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive."
All men are dead in Adams original sin, the death sentence has passed on all men.
"All men in Christ" do you see that, the men in Christ, it's the born again who are in Christ.
Do you remember in Rom. 6:1-3 when Paul said, " for you who have been baptized into Christ....
Paul is speaking of the born again, IN CHRIST.
All are dead in Adam, but all those in Christ are made alive. Surly you can see this!
St. SteVen
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The effeminate? Seriously? That's not even a sin.“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
“…the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
What’s there to debate here?
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St. SteVen
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There I go again with my spelling, just not paying attention, but I have you, Steven.
I can't believe you are not seeing what I'm saying!
No one can help you now, Steven. You're in the quicksand.
Am accepting of Jesus payment of sin; and allowing us sinners through him to become renewed in the knowledge of God. From what I see from revelation; just as hell was two compartments for paradise, and prison. The heavenly realm is pictured to have two compartments, inside and outside. This where the final destination is for everyone at death; resurrected to a realm one has never been to except those who have died. A hope to go there is mine to, and maybe help those in darkness but idk.
But the world has been reconciled already; just now down to a decision to make.
But the world has been reconciled already; just now down to a decision to make.
Chadrho
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I read it with you and it still says all in Adam and all in Christ. How is this the one time a "plain meaning" is no longer so plain?
It is clearly talking about death, not spiritual death. You're superimposing your doctrine on the text. Follow his argument. Just as death came through a human so does the resurrection. Christ is the first fruit of those who have died. Are you now saying Christ died spiritually? I hardly think you want to say that. Christ is the first fruit, then those who belong to Christ. Who is that? All who are made alive in Christ, which are all those who died in Adam. Then what? He destroys every ruler, power, and authority which is not subject to him, the last being death. Then what? He subjects all to himself and hands the kingdom over to God the Father who is all in all. What about those being condemned in hellfire for all eternity? Why doesn't Paul ever talk about eternal hellfire, ever? Isn't that kind of an important thing to leave out?!
There is no realm where evil and rebellion against God endures forever. Why not? Every single power, authority, ruler that is contrary to Christ is destroyed and what God has created is subjected to Christ, i.e., becomes obedient, and becomes part of his kingdom. No more evil, no more rebellion, no more sin, no more death. God becomes all in all. All die in Adam. All are raised to life. All become subject to Christ. God becomes all in all. That is the gospel of God's sovereign grace and love. Praise be to God! :)
I have to disagree, Matthew.
The world will be reconciled when you and I are with Him in body and soul, and His creation is restored to it's original state as the Garden of Eden. The way God intended for it to be.
I'm sorry if you guys can't see that all "in Christ" are the born-again.
I thought I explained well enough for a child to understand.
Chadrho
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There's no need to apologize. I understood what you explained. We disagree, which is fine.
Chadrho
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Thank you for asking. I just presented an exposition of 1 Cor. 15:20-28. I'm good for now. Maybe tomorrow I'll give an exposition of John 17:1-2.
OK, that's fine! It's been a long day on the boards for me, covering 2 different sites.
It's sack time for me anyway.
If you by the Spirit of Christ have the ability to access emulate Christ through you who is the image and expression of God which comes by and through the holy spirit of God and the Father is there to help those whom ask to be helped by the spirit now as adopted Children, are you not now spiritually in relationship with God and are now today in the original state where God desired for people to be before the fall?
Only waiting upon for death to leave here and go there to the heavenly realm resurrected and Be with the family of believers in the kingdom of God, which outside of the kingdom there are outsiders there, symbolic of the death of Christ on the cross. Staying in the darkness as it is what they wants, and God gives them to their desires. Perhaps those in the kingdom can go out and help, idk. It would give people something to do, for the Lord?
ButterflyJones
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I think full context of any chapter is important to clean the full message.
Excerpting verses are also valid to make a point . While context will always mesh.
Romans 11 sustains the verse 32.
Most every manifest doctrine is gleaned from scripture.
Different doctrines, different denominations. I believe that is part and parcel of what divided the church. Men ascribing solely to God's providence what was their will, words, intent . While God's HS message will still overcome that.
Test the spirits.
Those with the eyes to see.
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